TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

hey killing wolves doesnt usually feel the best. or the easiest.

raeko feels like both to you, mind explaining that? do you really think shes a hit or is it from poe or lack of a better lynch target?

I have hesitation towards killing literally everyone else in the game to a varying degree

I don't have that with raeko just because I feel like she's the kill that should happen

this is her scum play pretty much to a T imo.

Idk about "easiest" but "easy" is probably indisputable.

She's not developing reads and the gaps between her play still don't really have valid explanations imo.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Thanks for clarifying. I'm curious about how you process this information into a vote.

by half sheeping/mindmelding a read on raeko
I was not a fan of her pushing the day before at all

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I don't have that with raeko just because I feel like she's the kill that should happen

this is her scum play pretty much to a T imo.

Idk about "easiest" but "easy" is probably indisputable.

She's not developing reads and the gaps between her play still don't really have valid explanations imo.

You may be into something if you try to develop on these thoughts.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I have hesitation towards killing literally everyone else in the game to a varying degree

I don't have that with raeko just because I feel like she's the kill that should happen

this is her scum play pretty much to a T imo.

Idk about "easiest" but "easy" is probably indisputable.

She's not developing reads and the gaps between her play still don't really have valid explanations imo.

theres a disconnect between gross and scummy play and actually producing results

tokzic was acting scummy and gross. he was a power role

indheart was acting scummy to most people and his absence at eod was considered gross. he was town

when your method doesnt work, you change it. anything else is insanity.

your method of finding scum doesnt work. its time to use a different method.

[thesunfan]

like I know I should probably have a laundry list of reasons why I should lynch raeko

I think she's playing incredibly obviously different from her previous town outings and she hasn't developed reads

It would feel good to kill her to she's probably mafia

I hope that makes sense

[FreezinIce]

and to me, that different method will not include ONCE AGAIN latching on to the consensus scumread player and pushing an "easy" lynch through.

[thesunfan]

I didn't feel great killing Tokzic or inDheart (though inDheart was not "bad" it was at that point someone v Charu and I chose not to kill Charu)

my ideal lynch yesterday was raeko
I see your point, but it doesn't quite apply

[thesunfan]

well, I didn't kill Tokzic
but yeah before he was flipped I was not feeling great about his flip, but I guess that's getting into something else altogether

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

like I know I should probably have a laundry list of reasons why I should lynch raeko

I think she's playing incredibly obviously different from her previous town outings and she hasn't developed reads

It would feel good to kill her to she's probably mafia

I hope that makes sense

She said she would do so tomorrow. I'm afraid waiting is my only option here.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You may be into something if you try to develop on these thoughts.

Might be picking at your phrasing here, and if that's the case then ignore me

the fact that I'm onto something is not dependent upon the development of the thoughts

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

like I know I should probably have a laundry list of reasons why I should lynch raeko

I think she's playing incredibly obviously different from her previous town outings and she hasn't developed reads

It would feel good to kill her to she's probably mafia

I hope that makes sense

i dont think you get it.

her play isnt obviously different. that is a blatant exaggeration. haku has already demonstrated her play is markedly the same. maybe ill go dig up his post about it because i feel it was well written.

if you want to dig through her games and prove me wrong go ahead. since its incredibly obvious im sure you wont have much difficulty doing so

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

She said she would do so tomorrow. I'm afraid waiting is my only option here.

I know she's been busy irl and shit but she's had more than enough opportunity imo

[thesunfan]

I think the only difference is the fact that she's tunneling and that's not townie

[Hakulyte]

Well, all I can say about Raeko is to wait for her read list that's supposed to happen tomorrow.

If the read list doesn't happen, now that could become interesting. As for her posts in the game up to this point, I don't see any obviously wolfy traces from here.

So, there's something I don't understand here clearly.

[thesunfan]

I'm not going to go through past games, but I don't think the games are comparable.
If you quote the post Haku made I'll dispute it; I remember reading it earlier

[FreezinIce]

this is where im feeling the blindreper from you.

it seems like you only have one solid scumlean at the moment and your not willing to move off them to the people youve been blindrepering (yoshl and lito).

First im going to have to get people to realize the insanity of killing someone literally only 2 people are defending and think it will lead to a wolf or important information.

then i have to get people to put their money where their vote where their mouth is and put votes on the people they are leaving "until tomorrow" (mostly applies to people voting mello today)

if your scumlean list is small thats fine but when i pressure you to explain your case or move between scumleans when i get pushback thats when i get suspicious

[Hakulyte]

Reference: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=146055

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

The below vote count is accurate

Votes from post 1 to post 788
It is night
---

• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
  []4 -- danceflashrevo -- thesunfan (92), Charu (119), dadcop2 (76), inDheart (93)
  []4 -- inDheart -- AragakiAyase (133), Etylukah (42), danceflashrevo (75), theknightsofneeee (66)
  []1 -- theknightsofneeee -- mellonxcollie (31)
  []1 -- mellonxcollie -- MixMasterLar (44)

A Kitb has occurred between danceflashrevo and inDheart.

Random.org will decide who is lynched

Raeko is sitting alone on neee based on tone reads. I wanted to vote neee too, but I couldn't because the wagon wasn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Insta has occured at post 1232

Final votecount at time of insta:

mellonxcollie (4): MixMasterLar, theknightsofneee, Charu, inDheart
Charu (1): Etylukah


Unvote (1): thesunfan

Left to vote (1): mellonxcollie

Raeko didn't even vote anyone or defend herself. The game felt pretty pure tone reading from her and she just pushed on her "bad vibes", but her lack of "reasons/proof etc." within her game made her get mislynched.

She doesn't have a tendency to join wagons. Most of the time, she sticks to what she really thinks.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

if your scumlean list is small thats fine but when i pressure you to explain your case or move between scumleans when i get pushback thats when i get suspicious

raeko
lito
yoshl
roundbox (kinda)

not very small imo

its too big aorn, I at least feel better taking Haku out of it now

its not wolfy to have an ideal lynch. I will work on developing lito/yoshl/roundbox before EOD and one of them might end up being wolfier than raeko. I doubt it.

[thesunfan]

I legit don't remember mislynching raeko in that game LOL

[Hakulyte]

If I'm town, the likeliness of Raeko being town is moving up as well. We both share similar goals.

She joined me on Charu as well.