TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

its not a push if nobody follows you

what
are
you
even
saying

[thesunfan]

ok its 3 am fuck this
pce

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I have no gravitas
or maybe I have some I only just now looked up the word and I'm still not sure exactly what it means THANKS GOOGLE

You definitely do. You can think of it as influence over others, or presence among others.
Saying sunfan has no presence undermines your entire TWG history lol

[FreezinIce]

everyone last game was completely unwilling to reconsider previous events from a different perspective.

Proph got heat then coasted the rest of the game

sunfan got heat then coasted the rest of the game

even though absolutely nothing changed, people were utterly unwilling to look at their behavior again with flips in mind and instead latched on to whatever was happening at the time.

call it a premonition but i dont trust people to revist sunfan later if i back away from him cold right now just because he yells a ton.

i want people's opinions on his interactions so far and his shifts in tone. i want them out where people can see them. i want everyone in this fucking thread to have a hot take on his play.

[FreezinIce]

same for me. everyone should have an opinion on me they can be held accountable for. that way if/when one of us flips, town can have some info to work with, they can have something to look back and point at and ask the question "why the fuck did you say this at that time??"

[ShadoWolfe]

@Freezin I think sunfan's pretty town tbh, but that depends on something... I think you can always revisit him later if you find something scummy, and if whatever you find is worth anything then people won't call you a flipflop. Progression of reads is natural, I don't think anyone really expects you to hold the same read forever.
Speaking of which, why did you go from calling out Charu as opportunistic and saying you could vote him all day to listing him as town in a matter of two posts? What caused your read to change?

[FreezinIce]

lets say THEORETICALLY i back away and just call this TvT and move on

sunfan drills me into the ground

i flip town

sunfan looks bad and maybe dies next day?

if hes town as well its the last game all over again

...


do you see now why im so fucking pissed you lost your cool???

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

@Freezin I think sunfan's pretty town tbh, but that depends on something... I think you can always revisit him later if you find something scummy, and if whatever you find is worth anything then people won't call you a flipflop. Progression of reads is natural, I don't think anyone really expects you to hold the same read forever.
Speaking of which, why did you go from calling out Charu as opportunistic and saying you could vote him all day to listing him as town in a matter of two posts? What caused your read to change?

i realized the crux of my entire argument was one single post from him i didnt like (the haku objectively the best lynch post). his reasons for voting me i didnt agree with but it isnt a crime to throw your vote around.

pretty much i couldnt find anything he was doing that was scummy and could follow his arguments against me even if i didnt agree with them completely.

[ShadoWolfe]

Dude you've basically already said you think he's town. Just let it go if that's what you think. Stop worrying about what could end the game or whatever. We're still in D0.
Sunfan wont necessarily die just for mislynching you if you're town
Sunfan probably won't drill you into the ground if you back away and be productive elsewhere (if you're both town)
This isn't a thunderdome. It never was. Chill and be true to your reads

[FreezinIce]

i can and will flop and take different approaches in arguments and tone once i realize im wrong whats the point of arguing past then

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

i realized the crux of my entire argument was one single post from him i didnt like (the haku objectively the best lynch post). his reasons for voting me i didnt agree with but it isnt a crime to throw your vote around.

pretty much i couldnt find anything he was doing that was scummy and could follow his arguments against me even if i didnt agree with them completely.

Cool. Was there anything specific that made you come to that realization?
What's making you start to see sunfan as town?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

so am I town now?
another 180 we got a 360 folks lets see if he makes it to the fabled 1080

yeah get over yourself dude next time you back off a read let me spend a few pages lambasting you about it

[Hakulyte]

@Sunfan

Do you have a read list?
Do you have any actual serious stances in this game?

If I was a wolf in this game, I wouldn't fear you at all as I normally do. I don't sense that "game solving element". I don't feel any serious attempt at getting the game somewhere.

I've read your iso. It's not "bad", but it's not outstanding either. FreezinIce seems to think he could be wrong and that's okay, but I believe you're worth pushing here because I need to figure out where you stand.

All that blabla since the "voting pressure" haven't convinced me in the least. That Lightknight vote is even weirder because I can't say that I trust the source with like 3 posts.

What's going on here?

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

i can and will flop and take different approaches in arguments and tone once i realize im wrong whats the point of arguing past then

That's natural, despite people's obsession with showing progression. It does help town to try and make your progression more clear though, even if it's just one post saying "oh I just realized Charu could totes have a point and be saying this from a town perspective".

[FreezinIce]

haku ninjaing my post in progress stealing my points

bruh

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

yeah get over yourself dude next time you back off a read let me spend a few pages lambasting you about it

Spicy
N O C H I L L

[ShadoWolfe]

Hi Haku!
You certainly made last night interesting to read lolol

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

What's making you start to see sunfan as town?

hes yelling louder than me and i dont feel like arguing with him

unlike charu there IS something there that i think is scummy. i felt like the way he was hesitating on pushing people today reminded me of the 2nd to last day of the last game where he struggling to find people to push (i said this a couple of posts ago)

the similarities weigh on my mind but of course if the person is shouting really loudly at you back it kind of saps your motivation to continue that train of thought. especially when your not 100% sure on your read

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Hi Haku!
You certainly made last night interesting to read lolol

Are you going to write up a post to explain where you stand with "this circus" so far?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Was there anything specific that made you come to that realization?

Originally Posted by Charu

That right?

Well then golly, guess I was opportunistic when that Haku debacle was happening too, huh?

this was a good response to my previous post that he was giving off the vibe of someone opportunistic.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

i realize this but information lynches arnt objective either. In fact theres nothing from your original post that even suggests thats what you were after.

this post was when i realized the entire basis of what i was arguing about was shaky. disagreeing with someone doesnt make them scum