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05-11-2019, 06:21 PM | #1 | |
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They are anti-abortion and that's it. |
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05-11-2019, 02:17 PM | #2 |
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Fuck Georgia
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05-11-2019, 06:24 PM | #3 | |
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05-11-2019, 06:39 PM | #4 |
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On another note: I try to separate the pro-life concept from the pro-life movement.
If the narrative switched over to medical innovation, there could be creative solutions like an artificial incubator. It's interesting because: - the woman can still end the pregnancy (I guess it could be a "transfer abortion" or something) - the embryo (or fetus, depending on the stage of the pregnancy) is transferred to the incubator This would allow women who might have physical problems to use said technology to assist in the development of the fetus, and not have to worry about issues like tearing, death, etc. Sure, that may be a pipe dream, but it's a good idea to at least try for a while -- it'll also show the importance of having a safe and legal procedure. |
05-11-2019, 06:46 PM | #5 |
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99% of people don't think like that. Of course it would be a lot better if there was artificial incubation, the issue has and always will be about female autonomy.
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05-11-2019, 06:48 PM | #6 |
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I understand where you're coming from but I'm skeptical about any attempt at bridging the gap because the core issue is an impasse.
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05-11-2019, 06:53 PM | #7 |
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Probably my biggest issue with the pro-life movement. I don't see any attempt at stating how the fetus could be removed but still attempt to be salvaged. It respects the woman's choice for what happens with her body while still trying to learn more information in the future if the attempt wasn't successful.
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05-11-2019, 07:05 PM | #8 | |
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-respecting their choice for what happens with their body- sure does though. |
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05-11-2019, 07:32 PM | #9 | |
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but still doesn't address the underlying problem |
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According to the CDC, 91.1% of abortions they recorded in 2015 were performed at less than 13 weeks into the pregnancy. The CDC also defines abortion as the following: "For the purpose of surveillance, a legal induced abortion is defined as an intervention performed by a licensed clinician (e.g., a physician, nurse-midwife, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant) that is intended to terminate an ongoing pregnancy. Most states and reporting areas that collect abortion data now report if an abortion was medical or surgical. Medical abortions are legal procedures that use medications instead of surgery." In other words, the intent is to terminate the pregnancy. That does not necessarily mean death of the fetus. You can transfer the fetus to an artificial incubator and that's still terminating the state of the woman's pregnancy. This, of course, is also if said woman agrees to it. Fetal tissue is super fragile at that time too so I can see why it would be very hard, if not impossible, to actually salvage it. And at 13 weeks or less, trying shouldn't be as invasive as in the second trimester. Quote:
What is the underlying problem you are referring to?
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ye the fetus never got a chance :C
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05-11-2019, 07:07 PM | #12 |
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05-11-2019, 09:32 PM | #13 |
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Wow. Congratulations. This must be one of the most complete and utter murder by words I've seen in my history on the internet.
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05-11-2019, 07:13 PM | #14 |
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Do you think that by spamming, via making useless posts, you are accomplishing anything of use or worth?
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05-11-2019, 07:37 PM | #15 |
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The problem is "People legislating what other people can do with their own bodies"
If they'd just -stop doing that- there'd be nothing to address. |
05-11-2019, 08:47 PM | #16 |
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actually u kno i dont think georgia is all that bad altho i havent been there accept passing through to get to alabama
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05-11-2019, 08:49 PM | #17 |
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I'm of the opinion that all the reasoning about "the fetus is alive"/other pro-life rhetoric is used post-hoc to justify a gut reaction or some indoctrination
the underlying problem I see is that abortion is only really a problem to conservatives because of religious indoctrination and/or a desire to subjugate women everything else is performative |
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Is it possible one of these two things might infuriate you more?
it's interesting to think about what kind of laws were once considered outrageous but over time have evolved a sense of feeling normalized were it's no longer a question or a care. |
05-15-2019, 05:14 PM | #19 | |
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The religious dogma is ridiculous since the Bible doesn't even take a stance on abortion at all. Christians will preach about the sanctity of life and that life is sacred because of its connection to God but the New Testament makes no statement about "when life begins." The Old Testament makes several references to life beginning with "breath" (Genesis) and, in Exodus, a miscarriage was treated via a financial penalty, not lex talionis. There's a commonly cited passage in Deuteronomy which is used as a tacit disapproval of abortion, but even so, Jesus dying in the New Testament served to absolve all of his believers from Mosaic law (i.e. the Law of Moses as described in the Old Testament, this is why we can eat shellfish now despite being banned in Leviticus). And SOMEHOW, abortion has become a major talking point for them, despite no passages unambiguously denouncing abortion. There ARE, however, plenty of passages describing the subordination of wives to their husbands, which seems to be a consistent theme in Christian rhetoric. So yeah, there's an agenda here. |
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05-11-2019, 08:49 PM | #20 |
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Going back to the bill though, prosecuting miscarriages while also not addressing how to lower the number of miscarriages is a gigantic contradiction. The bill is ridiculous, as if the legislative efforts on this topic weren't already bad enough.
There are secular people I have seen that identify as pro-life and their main issue is that it's the death of a person. It's one of the reasons I mentioned how abortion is terminating a state of pregnancy, although how it's actually performed is another topic. Currently there are medical and surgical abortions that end up in the death of the fetus.
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