TWG CXXII - Welcome to Disboard~

[Viccica]

Okay so after trying to read the thread objectively I'm going to stick to my guns with the Manti vote for a few reasons.

The first thing I want to dissect is the suspicion about the seer claim. While there is obviously the potential of the seer claim being false I find that highly unlikely. It's a really ballsy move for a wolf to do the very first phase of the game and relies on far too much. Wolves couldn't anticipate the need for a false claim so couldn't have planned it out and this at best would save the false seer for another phase. Where the alternative was to find a way to dictate the lynch, which was something entirely feasible with 23 hours left to go in the phase.
Secondly, the wolf kill. Again, the possibility of a fake seer. Blahblahblah. But it also was just.. an intelligent wolf kill. Last phase was V and Pop in the spotlight. 90% of what dictated the lynch was the exchanges between the two. Easy to hide in the lynch because of all of the noise generated by only two people. Pop died and V followed giving the humans almost nothing to infer about the phase, because those two owned the stage.
Third, Manti is trying to argue about the false seer and defend his vote for Pop saying that his lockjaw was indicative of being a wolf and bluntly stating that humans should be malleable. That's really weak. I think Manti has a better understanding of the idea that there are a wide variety of TWG players and wouldn't throw them all under a generalization of what a TWG player should be. Tunneling on someone is both indicative of wolf and human players, and as a result are indicative of neither. Pop had no choice but to stay with James, and the argument against Pop was fleeting regardless of that fact.
Manti

A lot of this hinges on the belief that the seer claim is legit, and that's the assumption I think we can all agree we have to go by this phase. Fiction I would say might have made the same wolf kill as I am attributing to Manti but more signs point to Manti so meh.

As far as other players go, I haven't had many stand out to me as particularly human.
Jrodd I typically have agree with or at least understood his reasoning. Nothing has seemed very unsettling so I'd comfortably say he's a town.

Charu, despite trolling the game has had moments where he says something sincerely human-esque. If you can read between the lines and pick and choose what you read. While kind of being a waste of space, I don't find him suspicious. He's making himself an easy target for a lynch with his demeanor but I don't think he's a wolf.

James I really really am uncertain about. He's been really wishy washy, really moody and really inconsistent this whole game, which is hard to peg as human or inexperienced wolf. He's like a ship without a captain. And wind. And sails...


People idfk about are Dance and Sun.

If I missed you you suck.


I will be peeking at the thread here and there but tonight is game night.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

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I'm stretching b/c I'm trying to read his white noise and its not working
I've talked to him about his wolf play on a few occasions and probably would've tried harder to find a role there. I'm expecting him to have known that V was pretty VT there idk its all I've got on him and I know its thin.

[Viccica]

That post once upon a time was typed out much better but I hit my homepage and lost it all. RIP

[Viccica]

Drawing from that, if the seer doesn't die in the following night phase my theories all fall to pieces and I will try to come up with another that fits. But I feel very strongly about my manti vote.

[thesunfan]

wow I suck at wording

[thesunfan]

I think Manti's a wolf regardless of DBP's alignment, not entirely sure why yours hinges on DBP's alignment after reading it

[Viccica]

It doesn't all, but a lot of it does. There's more reasons to it than I stated but a lot of it is made under the assumption that the seer is legit. Doesn't prove nor disprove anything, just.. helps? I guess?

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Viccica

Okay so after trying to read the thread objectively I'm going to stick to my guns with the Manti vote for a few reasons.

The first thing I want to dissect is the suspicion about the seer claim. While there is obviously the potential of the seer claim being false I find that highly unlikely. It's a really ballsy move for a wolf to do the very first phase of the game and relies on far too much. Wolves couldn't anticipate the need for a false claim so couldn't have planned it out and this at best would save the false seer for another phase. Where the alternative was to find a way to dictate the lynch, which was something entirely feasible with 23 hours left to go in the phase.
Secondly, the wolf kill. Again, the possibility of a fake seer. Blahblahblah. But it also was just.. an intelligent wolf kill. Last phase was V and Pop in the spotlight. 90% of what dictated the lynch was the exchanges between the two. Easy to hide in the lynch because of all of the noise generated by only two people. Pop died and V followed giving the humans almost nothing to infer about the phase, because those two owned the stage.
Third, Manti is trying to argue about the false seer and defend his vote for Pop saying that his lockjaw was indicative of being a wolf and bluntly stating that humans should be malleable. That's really weak. I think Manti has a better understanding of the idea that there are a wide variety of TWG players and wouldn't throw them all under a generalization of what a TWG player should be. Tunneling on someone is both indicative of wolf and human players, and as a result are indicative of neither. Pop had no choice but to stay with James, and the argument against Pop was fleeting regardless of that fact.
Manti

meh idk I think I should reread manti. there were like 2 posts I felt were very villagery from him today, ill find them and quote him. maybe a total isolated reread will refresh me

[Viccica]

Basically if the seer lives again we're forced to lynch him. There's just no ways wolves would let it happen, cause it grows the human pool the more chances he gets to reveal results. Tomorrow would move it largely towards our favor assuming manti is a wolf(i do) if he gets to reveal another human.

[Viccica]

Read and lemme know jrodd. I want verification other than sun.

[Viccica]

I need to be coddled and told I'm a good girl.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I'm stretching b/c I'm trying to read his white noise and its not working
I've talked to him about his wolf play on a few occasions and probably would've tried harder to find a role there. I'm expecting him to have known that V was pretty VT there idk its all I've got on him and I know its thin.

actually this is a very good point, I mean it was extremely obvious V was vanilla, no harm is saying that now.

maybe a) the wolves are not at all competent at PR hunting
b) killing a pretty obvious town (although he lead a mislynch so a case could easily be pushed by wolves so maybe they were afraid)

or one that im gonna investigate after reading manti is

c) before he died his reads were on point, minus plop, and they wanted to dispose of a loud and influtential villager

[j-rodd123]

influential*

[thesunfan]

I looked at C but his reads don't really align with mine
also I find that fear kills aren't really all-the-rage as of late (outside of jTWG that is)

[thesunfan]

God if V was more right than I was D0...

[Viccica]

Not that I agree or disagree, I'd have to look at V's other reads but I just want to point out the V is VERY good at railroading lynching humans.

[Viccica]

I feel like I said that but don't remember.

[DarkManticoreX2]

@ Vic, you realize your read on me is biased by confirmation basis right? Of course I'm going to look bad after I start a mislynch. It seems like you're being opportunistic here in attacking me.

I started the push on Pop by listing a few things that were suspicious to me.
V agreed and carried the push on Pop
Sunfan agreed Otherwise why would he post this

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I get the feeling that plop is trying to force a lynch on a town here

Dance agreed and voted
RB agreed and voted.

So yeah I proposed pop was a wolf because of his lockjaw, and it seemed like 5 players agreed with me.

Sorry, but my logic made sense. The fact that pop wasn't a wolf sucks, stop trying to lynch me over it.

[Viccica]

Like it's so bad you could probably go 100% against who he wants to lynch and have better chances of lynching a wolf 9 times out of 10.

[Viccica]

You reiterated that logic this phase though so whether you started it or not is irrelevant.