Suicide - Page 3

**talisman** · 04-9-2005, 07:07 PM

Of course, at the chemical level things are much more predictable than at the subatomic... but we slowly wander off topic.

Suicidal tendencies should be treated... you shouldn't be jailed for an attempt.

Meteor858 · 04-9-2005, 07:34 PM

talisman right now your among the only people i agree with.
Stinger if it was mostly the state of mind, wouldnt all my attempts to get better inside my head work?
But no they didnt did they.
I felt good for about 4 days it was cool and then i had a really bad urge to commit suicide that came out of nowhere
so it is only logical that i agree with talisman on this one

**Cenright** · 04-9-2005, 08:16 PM

Talisman, that is pretty much predestination. You have no control over your life, and since It is all chemicals, do whatever you damn well please, because free will doesn't exist, and you are going to do it anyway. (To me, this is selfishness in itself.) This gives you a reason, that if the drugs don't work, you can say that there is no hope, and that sounds like depression has such a foothold, that you may just be right. But to commit suicide is to lose the fight. I doubt that any of us want to be the supreme loser, the loser at life.

Stinger, thank you for giving that story, cause it was exactly what I said in my post, but I didn't have a story to back it.

**talisman** · 04-9-2005, 08:28 PM

I never said anything about doing whatever you damn well please... some of us have chemicals that make us think of others, obviously.

But I dislike the word chemicals. It does have a literal connection to the fact that clinical depression is a chemical balance, but it is fallacious to assume that everything that occurs in the human organism is entirely chemical. Indeed, electrical impulses as well as kinetic movement play an important role as well. As far as the brain goes, however, I strongly disagree with the concept of a "you" that is in "control." Not only is the sense of self a manifestation of certain brain structures... its "decisions" are entirely predicated upon the status of the brain itself, and the various neurotransmitters present are among the most basic components of that status.

I don't believe in predestination at all, I just think that the brain is an entirely physical organ. ie, there is no "soul". Predestination has already been roundly refuted by quantum mechanics.

On topic, I think that while it is important to consider the underlying physical causes of depression (the chemicals), I also acknowledge that environmental factors probably have some influence in the degree to which the symptoms are felt and the speed with which recovery can occur.

Meteor858 · 04-9-2005, 08:28 PM

well centright im sorry about how deluted you are from the truth of things look at anticrombies posts and think hard about what you just read

QreepyBORIS · 04-9-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Meteor858

well centright im sorry about how deluted you are from the truth of things look at anticrombies posts and think hard about what you just read

Sixth graders reserve no right to sound elitist or superior.

They have to earn it.

hatakikakashi · 04-9-2005, 09:03 PM

Anyone can sound any way they want. The only thing you need to earn is respect. Would you rather him sound and act like a sixth grader? Oh and by the way, he's not in the sixth grade. You don't have to agree with what he thinks, but you shouldn't dismiss him just because he's young. He's expressing himself and I'm sure he'll learn to be more tactfull as he learns and grows. As far as I've observed, your acting as though you think your elite and somehow superior to him. You need to growup man. Talking that way to kids.

GuidoHunter · 04-9-2005, 11:21 PM

No matter how little seratonin you have in your body, you're never without choice. This fact is my basis behind my standpoint (and that of Stinger).

Meteor, if trying to overcome depression by will alone isn't working for you then you're not trying hard enough.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Meteor858 · 04-9-2005, 11:40 PM

dude ive seen psycologists and taken meds and nothing worked ive tried to be optimistic until i though i would break outta stress

maybe i was meant to be this way or somthin...

hatakikakashi · 04-10-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Meteor, if trying to overcome depression by will alone isn't working for you then you're not trying hard enough.

If you really think that then you obviously don't understand the difference between being sad and being officially depressed. I'd suggest you research the topic and gather FACTS instead of offering baseless opinions. Except that depression isn't the topic of this thread. So I won't suggest that. I guess depression is just more interesting than suicide. Although I suppose one can lead to the other, but there are many different reasons other than being depressed. Such as religious beliefs, duty, honor,and sacrifice.

By the way, I do realize I'm being a hypocrite.

GuidoHunter · 04-10-2005, 12:16 AM

You show me definitive proof that depression can't be overcome by willpower alone and I'll gladly take back everything I said and I'm sure FlashStinger would gladly accept whatever you offer and deny his own opinions.

The fact that one person could defeat depression by himself is a whole lot of support for my case.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Meteor858 · 04-10-2005, 12:22 AM

y know what fuck you all

hatakikakashi · 04-10-2005, 12:31 AM

That like telling an Alzhiemers patient he's not trying hard enough to remember his grandchildren. Also one person saying they did something is not proof of anything.
I gaurantee you he didn't cure himself out of shear willpower. Coping with it is a different story lot's of people just deal with it, but you can't cure a mental illness like chronic clinical depression just by thinking happy thoughts.

This isn't neverneverland and your not peterf#$%ingpan!

GuidoHunter · 04-10-2005, 12:36 AM

There's a distinct difference between someone's brain physically rotting away and someone just being depressed. Sure, you're short a few chemicals (or are just down), but that doesn't incapacitate you at all.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Loverofstories · 04-10-2005, 12:39 AM

death is not an escape, but a trap laid out by god...

Loverofstories · 04-10-2005, 12:42 AM

im pretty sure they made it illegal so people wouldn't do it because they don't want to die a criminal maybe?

GuidoHunter · 04-10-2005, 12:54 AM

I HARDLY think that was the reasoning behind the law. One possible reason is that it's taking a life, but, then again, it's not punished as murder is.

Anyone have any insight? I'm kind of curious now.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

hatakikakashi · 04-10-2005, 01:34 AM

Yes it is. It's an automatic death penalty.

GuidoHunter · 04-10-2005, 01:59 AM

EDIT: Damn you, taking advantage of my extreme gullibility. Plus, it was late...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

hatakikakashi · 04-10-2005, 02:15 AM

Yeah, sorry for being a dick earlier, and what I said in my last post was a bad joke. I think that it's illegal for insurance purposes. Your family won't be able to get the benifits and such.

04-9-2005, 07:34 PM	#42
Meteor858 FFR Supporter! OF DOOM!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Earth Age: 30 Posts: 292	talisman right now your among the only people i agree with. Stinger if it was mostly the state of mind, wouldnt all my attempts to get better inside my head work? But no they didnt did they. I felt good for about 4 days it was cool and then i had a really bad urge to commit suicide that came out of nowhere so it is only logical that i agree with talisman on this one __________________

04-9-2005, 08:16 PM	#43
Cenright You thought I was a GUY?! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Beaumont (A town with 25 times fewer people than this site) Age: 37 Posts: 3,139	Talisman, that is pretty much predestination. You have no control over your life, and since It is all chemicals, do whatever you damn well please, because free will doesn't exist, and you are going to do it anyway. (To me, this is selfishness in itself.) This gives you a reason, that if the drugs don't work, you can say that there is no hope, and that sounds like depression has such a foothold, that you may just be right. But to commit suicide is to lose the fight. I doubt that any of us want to be the supreme loser, the loser at life. Stinger, thank you for giving that story, cause it was exactly what I said in my post, but I didn't have a story to back it. __________________ http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...Cube_in_55.mpg

04-9-2005, 08:28 PM	#45
Meteor858 FFR Supporter! OF DOOM!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Earth Age: 30 Posts: 292	well centright im sorry about how deluted you are from the truth of things look at anticrombies posts and think hard about what you just read __________________

04-9-2005, 09:03 PM	#47
hatakikakashi FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm sad lost little puppy Posts: 140	Anyone can sound any way they want. The only thing you need to earn is respect. Would you rather him sound and act like a sixth grader? Oh and by the way, he's not in the sixth grade. You don't have to agree with what he thinks, but you shouldn't dismiss him just because he's young. He's expressing himself and I'm sure he'll learn to be more tactfull as he learns and grows. As far as I've observed, your acting as though you think your elite and somehow superior to him. You need to growup man. Talking that way to kids. __________________ I am not allowed to be happy for more than a half an hour. Otherwise strange things can happen.

04-9-2005, 11:40 PM	#49
Meteor858 FFR Supporter! OF DOOM!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Earth Age: 30 Posts: 292	dude ive seen psycologists and taken meds and nothing worked ive tried to be optimistic until i though i would break outta stress maybe i was meant to be this way or somthin... __________________

04-9-2005, 07:07 PM	#41
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	Of course, at the chemical level things are much more predictable than at the subatomic... but we slowly wander off topic. Suicidal tendencies should be treated... you shouldn't be jailed for an attempt.

04-10-2005, 12:22 AM	#52
Meteor858 FFR Supporter! OF DOOM!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Earth Age: 30 Posts: 292	y know what fuck you all __________________

04-10-2005, 12:31 AM	#53
hatakikakashi FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm sad lost little puppy Posts: 140	That like telling an Alzhiemers patient he's not trying hard enough to remember his grandchildren. Also one person saying they did something is not proof of anything. I gaurantee you he didn't cure himself out of shear willpower. Coping with it is a different story lot's of people just deal with it, but you can't cure a mental illness like chronic clinical depression just by thinking happy thoughts. This isn't neverneverland and your not peterf#$%ingpan! __________________ I am not allowed to be happy for more than a half an hour. Otherwise strange things can happen.

04-10-2005, 12:39 AM	#55
Loverofstories Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 71	death is not an escape, but a trap laid out by god...

04-10-2005, 12:42 AM	#56
Loverofstories Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 71	im pretty sure they made it illegal so people wouldn't do it because they don't want to die a criminal maybe?

04-10-2005, 01:34 AM	#58
hatakikakashi FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm sad lost little puppy Posts: 140	Yes it is. It's an automatic death penalty. __________________ I am not allowed to be happy for more than a half an hour. Otherwise strange things can happen.

04-10-2005, 02:15 AM	#60
hatakikakashi FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm sad lost little puppy Posts: 140	Yeah, sorry for being a dick earlier, and what I said in my last post was a bad joke. I think that it's illegal for insurance purposes. Your family won't be able to get the benifits and such. __________________ I am not allowed to be happy for more than a half an hour. Otherwise strange things can happen.

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