TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by YoshL

skim skim

hakulyte is doing actual thinking about the setup, which i really like

agree with aas sentiments that bus driver is usually a sc role, but with the caveat of not being able to talk is lol

aa has been mentioning lyncher quite often, which leads me to believe that he possibly has a target, but in the form of a character name? just speculating on mechanics. i dont think though that given his play so far, hes like, antitown third party, or even a wolf targetted by somwone with kp. he looks super clear, but please remember to reevaluate constantly as the need arises

probably super jumbled cause i just got up lol

I've mentioned lyncher twice I think, once in response to MML questioning you "slipping" early on, and once in response to storn, but sure

[AragakiAyase]

also kinda surprised that V keeps popping in and out without saying anything, idk what to think

[inDheart]

up to post #489

#218 uhh why are you defending andy quite this hard, he seems to be capable of posting for himself and he's getting game tips from yoshl so? i think it's the dfr in you

#221 & #222 i know you're dead but...lol

#223 you may want to google a term called "wine in front of me" (and AA says as much in #247 ok)

#230 i'm inclined to disagree on your dfr thought here from that one time recently when he didn't self pres like at all as town, and this post you're quoting in particular feels like it has the same kind of emotion driving it, but that's meta

#234 charu with the occam's razor, though i get the feeling by yoshl moving his vote that he actually agrees with you here.

#243 if it's andy's first time playing ever i doubt he has meta on you *shrug*

charu mindmeld on dfr emotion talk basically

#253 i actually don't remember huge MML thread presence by this point lol. as he posts more when the game gets serious he tends to reveal towniness imo

#260 okay bwuh dfr's dragging this out quite a bit. i don't see dfr/andy as w/w unless there's like a full team of lolwolves who just don't even

#262 but like all of town would have to potato for that to happen

posts are getting samey/treading old ground around here, meh

#269 lmfao, another victim of not reading the player list unless he means dfr

#287 you know at this point i don't think xel shitposting is alignment indicative anymore. zenith read him wolf in twgabout for not shitposting as much (and he was), sunfan read him wolf in the turbo i hosted for being exceedingly normal (and he was), but thing is i thought he did a reasonable amount of shitposting in twgabout? so shitposting is probably a spectrum for him

#301 gold stinger wants the ~DeTaiLz~. don't really like the zenith part because it's a strat to not spill all right away, so you could ask him to explain himself, but him not having reasoning for liking yoshl there right away isn't a bad thing by itself. could be more inquisitive and insightful

and lol, so again given yoshl seemingly backing off and even having said something to that effect by this point, i would think he agrees with you on andy just without saying it. question to yshl on dfr is a good look though

#306 like this vote, storn pretty much slacking even though present

#307 oh gee MML and yoshl bumping heads again, that's never happened in a game ever. like this post less for its content but more because tone sounds like town MML

#312 YUP lmfao it's twgabout all over again

#320 oh ok maybe i'm misunderstanding yoshl's stance then after all if he has to make this post

OOC the sheer amount of double posts yoshl has gotten in this game is pretty much wow

#331 it's easy to be upset about MML's posts. cf. yoshl's posts.

#350 perhaps it's a liiiiiiiiittle early to speculate on the setup but yeah that huge warning about character names being in the rules means it's not a slip

#357 well this is a first for me, seeing a player point out where they shitposted. maybe it's just charu fishing for ~reactions~ but MML's not been remarkably stoic outside of the match of the century

good hot

#378 so this is an interesting point actually because charu had previously posted that he likes yoshl's prodding/aggression just not necessarily the directions it was going in. flipping back on that? i mean i know charu's flipped now but good thing to notice from MML ... oh but #383 kind of undoes this lol

#397 lol i feel like this utter disgust is a recently developed thing from zenith

#399 the :/est of takes

#405 you know i know shado aggros a good bit but this time it's on a target that people don't really have townreads on, so not really tempted to award him any town points for it.

#408-#410 but then after aryxi snap retorts in a way similar to how i did in the W15 it gets a way different response. it's a big difference here because shado was way tilted in that game but this interplay right here comes off as very strange. think there's at least one scum here and based on before i'd favor aryxi for that (and yeah i see he's out now but it's not like his slot changed alignments)

#413 storn a bit bent out of shape by a single scum read?

#416 okay what. has xel been arby'sposting literally just to escape a postcount poe...
not sure how to feel about him dropping the gimmick but i also think having it is nai so switching to seriousposting probably isn't a huge deal
it's just the stated reason is some garbage and there's enough people in this game who know better

#421 interesting that MML wasn't setting you off but maybe you're inured to it by now after several games with him?

#437 also prefer this to AA's reasoning. was it metanet where they wanted to purge the site of Zero Posting Accounts (ZPAs)? if they don't exist already then not likely they will later

#442 part of me is just happy gold stinger has a pulse up to now, and i liked a good bit of that post

lot of inactivity talk that comes off as rather airy to me

#465 kind of sympathetic to zenith's emotion when i have to catch up like this but i'm also glad he seems to get more in gear here

#474 well i would think this has to be taking into account aryxi's posts at the top of the page, no? not that those did much for me either, but they exist and i haven't seen AA interact with those up to now

#480 twtbaw tbh but he was pretty wolfy before. yeah basically #488 is how i feel

okay yeah then freezin happens, so next post will start at #489

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by inDheart

#480 twtbaw tbh but he was pretty wolfy before. yeah basically #488 is how i feel

what are you saying here? idk what twtbaw is

[ShadoWolfe]

Also holy shitballs batmaninD

[ShadoWolfe]

@inDheart:

#405 I'm fine with you not awarding me townpoints, but note that nobody had any reads on aryxi at all at that point. I was the first (potentially excluding YoshL's question that ninja'd me) to push on him.

#408-410 how did he "snap retort" even slightly similarly to you? He said he was tired and that the game and promised a full explanation for all the points I brought up, and apologized for keeping me waiting while noting that this game requires energy he didn't have. He then later disappeared after that interaction and eventually replaced out.

In the game you're referencing, your response was to insult me in three back to back posts, ending with "your reads are always shit so good to see nothing's changed". I'm sorry, but I don't see the similarity here with Aryxi at all, so of course it got a very different response.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

what are you saying here? idk what twtbaw is

too wolfy to be a wolf

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

@inDheart:

#405 I'm fine with you not awarding me townpoints, but note that nobody had any reads on aryxi at all at that point. I was the first (potentially excluding YoshL's question that ninja'd me) to push on him.

#408-410 how did he "snap retort" even slightly similarly to you? He said he was tired and that the game and promised a full explanation for all the points I brought up, and apologized for keeping me waiting while noting that this game requires energy he didn't have. He then later disappeared after that interaction and eventually replaced out.

In the game you're referencing, your response was to insult me in three back to back posts, ending with "your reads are always shit so good to see nothing's changed". I'm sorry, but I don't see the similarity here with Aryxi at all, so of course it got a very different response.

yoshl had an aryxi read that i remember, but yeah i guess it's not the balance of people, so fair point

aryxi posted about being mislynched again almost right away, which i still think is similar sentiment-wise, just obviously not nearly as high emotion or ad hominem

[roundbox]

For now, we can assume AA is not part of the scum team (based Pazzaz). If we find there are two scum teams then we need to throw this out of the window.
After sleeping on it, MML is probably town?

[storn42]

Forgot to tokzic

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by roundbox

For now, we can assume AA is not part of the scum team (based Pazzaz). If we find there are two scum teams then we need to throw this out of the window.
After sleeping on it, MML is probably town?

I should bring this up now since I guess I'm not sure about double wolf faction mechanics. This would mean each team has their own kill power right? Would they kill each other/are they aware of the other team?

[TWG Ike]

lets see how well this thing is working...

[TWG Ike]

Votes from post 1102 to post 1231
Night in 31:30:50
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 1 -- Tokzic -- storn42 (6)
• 1 -- danceflashrevo -- AragakiAyase (29)
• 16 -- not voting -- _Zenith_ (19), andy-o24 (3), danceflashrevo (1), gold stinger (0), Hakulyte (3), inDheart (5), MixMasterLar (19), Pazzaz (5), Precarious (0), roundbox (2), ShadoWolfe (25), Tokzic (0), Vendetta21 (0), Wineandbread (1), XelNya (1), YoshL (9)

[AragakiAyase]

Where is everybody? So many people with single digit posts this phase

[AragakiAyase]

I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

That TWG Ike guy seems pretty fishy

I think Pazzaz, ind get some passes considering one replaced and the other "couldn't speak d0". I would definitely like Precarious to say something since he's said he would, and Aryxi too. I'd also like to see Tokzic's response to what storn has to say because I had a similar feeling when he "strongly gutread" him but still decided to vote Xel anyway d0

Anyone have a V summoning ritual?

[Wineandbread]

Zenith's string of posts pg 60 are promising for activity. Still a bit defensive about his d0 which is nothing surprising at this point. But if you're gonna call out fluff posts, maybe don't post your own fluff posts.

It seems merely observational and not analytical. I'd like some thoughts from him about the Pazzaz development when he comes back.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

Zenith's string of posts pg 60 are promising for activity. Still a bit defensive about his d0 which is nothing surprising at this point. But if you're gonna call out fluff posts, maybe don't post your own fluff posts.

It seems merely observational and not analytical. I'd like some thoughts from him about the Pazzaz development when he comes back.

I saw a claim (him I'm assuming right now) and the words "Bus Driver" so I still need to catch up; aorn just wait a little longer.

[inDheart]

ok i wanna make it to at least page 10 before i have to go

well i said "freezin happens" but that's probably preemptive given how much there is left to go, it's just the post i left off on isn't his greatest

freezin votes AA and that vote does definitely seem like nagl to me, so let's see what people think

#492 & #493 AA doesn't like, understandably. in general there seem to be people in this game who take issue with others' pushes at all, but pushes are what move games, you know?
#495 dfr doesn't like the whole wagon
#497 shado doesn't like, and again is coming off like my high school coaches as everyone's superfriend or something

then #504 just serves to emphasize AA's point lol

charu picks up the trail at #508 after a bit of ambivalence
#513 AA restates a fuller case
AA's #515 & #521 actually strikes me as reminiscent of the CLIX tone wars where freezin was town though... and of course freezin eats that up in #519 heh

oh then this ends in #540. AA looked good going through here but then this feels a little fast to turn away? charu noticed, think that's towny from charu

#544 is an all right MML post if not remarkably groundbreaking, but i wouldn't call dfr's reasons for saying gs is town illegitimate. you quoted them dude, they're there, what you want is evidence. can add MML to the pile of people coming out of the argument above on AA's side though. the amount of support for AA, and comparative lack thereof for freezin, could have wolves just choosing the right side, is what i wanna get at, though AA's base also includes some pretty towny people

#548 you nkow AA's been really good about reminding us that inactives exist, but it's getting to the point where they're least resistance to push for continuing to not show up - like all the actives have to be just towny enough for this to stand up for him. meta read in #550 is good for why juck out of the possible candidates is his top one though.

noting at #562 that roundbox has popped in (right after AA prods??) and voted xel, gonna watch for explanation
i also like how all of us who read/were in the hydra game are still marked by that stupid ending, heh

#568 gs back with a decent post, and what's unique about it is he's the first to really pursue a freezin lead with a vote following AA even though by this point AA's considering flipping that around. he must think there's still something worth seeing there. gs/AA not w/w

#575 oh ok here's a xel reaction already to box voting him. that said is xel an "easy" mislynch by this point especially now that he's in content mode? i would disagree

kayla -> prec i don't even remember kayla posting so nothing to say about her slot besides low content

#583

aryxi -> haku oh boy, going from a scummish read to someone who's all over the place, exciting

#596 box still riding ~reasons~? i mean usually we can see the results of box's work before he votes people so this is somewhat of a switch up from what i understand as his typical game. granted though there is time left in the day, but this and the following exchange seem dodgier than usual, and it doesn't look like MML is just missing something. i mean, if he has, i have too, same with AA in #611 etc

#609 i saw some lyncher talk zooming through today and wanted to mark this as i think it's actually the first mention of lyncher i've seen by anyone. knowing what we know at least it seems a reaosnable speculation

#619 box also has a different stated take on lynching inactives, than most others who have weighed in, but this might be just because he has a scum read in the actives

#629 haku commenting on who he's replacing in on just seems a little tone deaf to me because that kind of deja vu thing he's reiterating has already been disregarded, i would say. he feels the need to self pres or something when shado has just corrected me in the present day about how like he's the only one to make a case on aryxi and one of few to scum read him? haku's usually pretty out there the way i see him and this seems rather focused from the start, but i could be focusing too much on his play in the game that had to get rerolled where we both practically exhaled shitposts that whole day

#645 guh. by this point i think it's been dragged out to the point of ridiculousness

also by this point i have started drinking so we'll see how this goes

#670 lol resetting haku's slot and scum reading it again in the same post

anything to see in freezin's reads in that big post about wolf universals or something that has gamefaqs tags for some reason? wolf reads are storn, gs, maybe zenith for "bad stuff"? but then goes to say inactives should go instead...huh

roundbox calls the post nice, huuuh

#678 by this opint i'm pretty sure xel has directly addressed box 3x and not gotten anything satisfying out of the dude

kind of ignoring shado's drunk posts otherwise but i remember in other games he's readlily kept us updated with his life

#700 oh hey V's here and he has a vocabulary lesson for us - thing is in the game(s?) i've been in with dfr i think he's had a tendency to be more self-absorbed tbh, especially when people want to pressure him. agree with #701 that AA has been town though or at least been able to fly solo

ok acutally MML posts are reading better to me now whaa

V agrees with box but actually gives a reason so there, i remember box and andy clashing on reasons so maybe this would be ok for box? maybe AA agrees as well? starting to feel like it's a meta thing i didn't pick up on

sotrn comes back to basically do self pres but also points at freezin, ok

no surprise in AA's reads really, besides that seems to answer my question about how people are seeing xel - that one reaction post to box's vote. idk it actually feels in character for him to me? i remember him getting bent out of hsape by what seemed to be small things in games before, most of which i remember from twgabout, and though he was a wolf in that game he fooled like everyone

#710 this is one tendency i've seen from yoshl as well, to be mindful of the arguments people could make/are not making against him, so he's in character with himself for that (reiterated in 715 as well)

wow AA is like the inactive enforcer the way it rereads now but i'm guessing he is seeing people in the viewing list and pinging them that way

charu's another one susp of box, but then the logic lands in the next post it looks like:
#727 okay yeah it was a meta argument i didn't see. now the thing with your reticence is like, wihtout really stating what you might expect to see as you didn't here, a reaction test can technically yield anything you can parse into being scummy as you shift expectations. i feel like it would be an excuse to remain in a tunnel, in waiting that long, and that might be what you're doing given we don't have any recent insights into other thoughts you might have.

#728 precarious way behind and congrats you're the third person to not read the player list and also miss posts like there's no marth (i was pretty sure that was pointed out on the same page, maybe not that tokzic knows though)

#735 yet another person, wab, coming in with another take on xel, which is he's scum for shitposting? no vote though but he's admittedly not caught up

#739 so i guess one question i have about this anon game is: was it recognizable that xel was pikachu during the game? that's something to research

#742 thus far i don't think i've seen haku scum read anyone besides maaaybe shado, and saying freez is "projecting wolf" is silly

#766 ok no. i don't like seeing people try to ride their meta. show us why, in this game, right now, that lynching you is a bad idea

#806 so here's haku with an original thing on freezin and how his game is not like CLIX: his reads aren't like his known town game, even though it's been said his tone is. +1 because it's probably easy to scumread freezin by now but hard to do from a new perspective. the one thing devaluing this is that post in CLIX was literally last minute but this still has merit.

k i'm just glazing over the posts now so i'm gonna stop for now, just not too much struck me as i went through the first part of page 11 but also beverage

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Ok, I've been thinking about the consequences of what I'm about to say, I hope this provides clarity. I thought about keeping this a secret but I will have to say this before the EOD incase I die so here's the truth.
I couldn't speak D0 but instead I received the ability to switch the positions of two people at the beginning of N1. I switched AragakiAyase and Charu. This is why several people reacted weird, they thought AA was gonna die or atleast not that Charu was gonna die. So if I die as town, AA is confirmed town (or the wolves tried to kill one of their own lol).

TL;DR AragakiAyase IS CONFIRMED TOWN FOR ME

From now on I'm normal townie and will be scumhunting. I'll post my thoughts about everyone later.

Super late and super predictable, but I believe Pazzaz. For one, that possible angleshooting quip I had ahem, that gut feeling is 100% explained, and the Charu kill makes hella sense now.

And it isn't like he cleared my top scum. I don't see a reason not to take him at his word.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Alright so I have no idea when these phases start and end so don't mind me.

Just read what I missed from EoD post, going to catch up just from there for now and try to do some isolations later if I have the dedication to sit through it all.

You can do it

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I don't really follow

if you pick a townie and a scum, and the townie is targeted but the scum ends up dying, don't you get a similar result of the townie being pseudo confirmed? I think your claim is believable but just trying to make sense of this

I think Pazzaz answered this, but I took it as he didn't have a strong scumlean to do this with.

Which I want to point out, is garbage btw. I buy you're probably town but you should have been reading the thread and you should have been keeping up with your own list. I'm thankful for clearing a town that most of us cleared already but unless you seriously thought Charu was scum there was work you could have accomplished to have made this situation better.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

My comments in bold above.

That first line of logic goes no where and is offset by Pazzaz's claim anyway.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

K E K

Did you see my response to Shado regarding this? It was so good he pretended to have not even seen it!

Originally Posted by storn42

Lyncher eh? Well that's funny cus i was thinking the same thing.

I'd like to talk about tokzic. He seems to fit that inactive thing you're going for with only 23 posts., and more importantly I'd like to talk about his vote on me. Ifor you read back to it, it actually feels quite forced. He just "has a strong gut read" on how woofy I'm being. I can see this being a world where he rolled lyncher and me the lynched, or even simply him being a woof and trying to fake reads on people like me. But even so as he has this strong read on me in the end he goes and votes for xel. He jumps on that wagon for seemingly no reason despite his read on me.

Tokzic has 23 post? Could have fooled me.
I have too many scumleans to feel that going after Tokzic right now is worth the effort, but I can't defend him by any means.

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Well if I didn't respond I would seem pretty suspicious and if I for some reason became a target at EOD my explanation would seem pretty weak if I said it then. If I got hanged, me saying AA is safe wouldn't really have an impact as the wolfs would probably kill him.

Good thinking on Paz's part. Post seems pure. I'm pretty ok with removing him from the table.

Originally Posted by YoshL

hakulyte is doing actual thinking about the setup, which i really like

A nonshitposting Haku is probably a scum Haku, though. Unless you disagree.
I want to disagree, I really really do want to believe he's drastically changing his meta after Turbo 7 and trying.

But eh

I just can't see it.

Originally Posted by storn42

Assuming this is true. That means you have been able to read the thread. And surely by now you have a reads list you can post, or something of that idea.

Right?

Funny this is coming from Storn though

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Where is everybody? So many people with single digit posts this phase

I overslept and then had to go to the store to get some meats. Got me some Polish Sausage, porkschops and hamburger. Also a case of Jones Soda.

I'll probably be in the thread on and off all night though.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

See I promised myself I wouldn't use post theory and shit like this makes me glad I haven't been keeping up with it.

So many people under the fucking hostwould rip about the anus of Commentrics so bad

Originally Posted by inDheart

#544 is an all right MML post if not remarkably groundbreaking, but i wouldn't call dfr's reasons for saying gs is town illegitimate. you quoted them dude, they're there, what you want is evidence. can add MML to the pile of people coming out of the argument above on AA's side though. the amount of support for AA, and comparative lack thereof for freezin, could have wolves just choosing the right side, is what i wanna get at, though AA's base also includes some pretty towny people

1: Those reasons where pisspoor moldy excuses. I won't accept them and they are all the more weaker now that DFR never truly defended them and Gold Stinger has pretty much disappeared (barring I missed him)

2: Yeah AA pointed that out. As legit as that reasoning is, Freezin wasn't helping his case.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Tokzic has 23 post? Could have fooled me.
I have too many scumleans to feel that going after Tokzic right now is worth the effort, but I can't defend him by any means.

You have too many scumleans? This is good news, 'cause I'm starting to get frustrated at how few I have, despite (attempts at) isolating you and Tokzic and gold stinger and roundbox. I was about to ISO yoshl but got sidetracked off his profile and started playing all the songs he had stepped. Most of them destroyed me, but I won't use that to vote him.

Onky notable thing from ISOing is that tokzic is weird as hell. Point is, I've got way too many town/nulls and almost no solid scumreads.

Aside from Haku, who else are you scumleaning?