the ecig struggle

[iCeCuBEz v2]

u are obviously overly butthurt about something that isnt a big deal

i smoke it outside most of the time because i respect the fact it is annoying to some people. and i use them because they are so much better tasting and insanely cheaper.

and i didnt do it to wean off cigs

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by Arntonach

Because the douchebags we've had to kick out of the non-smoking section of the casino thought that e-cigarettes didn't count. Then they bragged that they could smoke that in supermarkets, gas stations and hospitals but not the casino. I know it's supposed to be a healthy alternative, but it still feels like your smoking and a lot of the time the smell's annoying as fuck anyways.

Those "douchebags" are in 100% correspondence with the law.

Smoking bans (or smoke-free laws) are public policies, including criminal laws and occupational safety and health regulations, 
which prohibit tobacco smoking in workplaces and other public spaces. Legislation may also define smoking as more generally being
the carrying or possessing of any lit tobacco product.

e-cigarettes are not tobacco products (yet) and there's nothing your little non-smoking section can lawfully do about it unless they have some wacky clause in company policy. While the FDA is working on regulating e-cigarettes as tobacco products, as of right now.. they're not considered tobacco products.

I don't necessarily agree that e-cigarettes should be regulated as tobacco products, however, since there's absolutely no tobacco in the vapor solutions, but the FDA has tried and failed in previous attempts to knock down e-cigs as drug-delivery devices.

[Arntonach]

We do have that policy, cause all of the higher ups and customers are over 60 and think vape pens are obama's mind controlling devices for the taliban. :V

[dragon890x]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

the FDA has tried and failed in previous attempts to knock down e-cigs as drug-delivery devices.

They are 'drug delivery devices'.

Regulations are soon kicking in that will prohibit the use of such devices from being sold to or used by minors.

However, vapor devices do not contain tobacco. It's not a tobacco product. Most people get annoyed by it because they are overly sensitive to smoking, for whatever reason they have.

Nicotine is a psychoactive drug, and very well should be regulated.



Getting back on topic, clean your electronic cigarette. The burnt taste is not coming from 'manufacturing and machining residues'. It's coming from the burnt sugars that accumulate within the device. There are too many variables to take in account for; sugar amount within the liquid, voltage, duration of the ignition button being pressed, etc.

I recommend that you stock up on parts and exchange them as you need to. Atomizers should not last longer than a week if you vape regularly. If you find yourself vaping often, try switching to a cartomizer setup. Note that you will still need to replace parts to keep the taste of your liquid fresh.

I recommend using this:
http://www.smoke-evolution.com/iTast...e-ino-mvp2.htm

[Mollocephalus]

Do you ******s still smoke in 2014 you guys should stab yourselves in the stomach and bleed to death

[korny]

Vaporize mollo, vaporize

[Mollocephalus]

It's essentially the same thing. It's taking a really awful and disgusting social habit which should have died decades ago and making it look "cooler" and "cleaner". That should not happen. Smokers and drug users in general pretty much need to be put under social pressure, making it clear that what they do is wrong.

[Izzy]

That is a very extremist view you have there. Also I doubt most people use drugs and smoke because they want to be cooler.

[cedolad]

So you find it socially unacceptable for us to smoke, while we find it socially unacceptable for you to be as degrading as you are.

I understand why you may chose not to smoke, but to say that its plain wrong is really disrespectful.

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by Izzy

That is a very extremist view you have there. Also I doubt most people use drugs and smoke because they want to be cooler.

If I were so concerned about how cool I looked doing drugs or smoking, I would've stayed in High School.

[dragon890x]

@Mollocephalus Sounds like someone has a story to share, or so I hope.

[iCeCuBEz v2]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

Do you ******s still smoke in 2014 you guys should stab yourselves in the stomach and bleed to death

ok raine i take that back this guys butthurt

[korny]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

It's essentially the same thing. It's taking a really awful and disgusting social habit which should have died decades ago and making it look "cooler" and "cleaner". That should not happen. Smokers and drug users in general pretty much need to be put under social pressure, making it clear that what they do is wrong.

Except, it's not at all. You're replacing a toxic carcinogenic habit capable of killing the user and those surrounding, and replacing it with a virtually harmless and odorless substitute not capable of killing or harming the user or anyone surrounding. I fail to see how anything about it is "cooler" although that is a perspective you are welcome to have. It is cleaner and completely safe though, so I really don't see what your problem with it is other than you can't lrn 2 perspective and just deal with the fact that people are always going to have vices, in which case I'd just say, cry about it.

Originally Posted by Izzy

That is a very extremist view you have there. Also I doubt most people use drugs and smoke because they want to be cooler.

I think most people actually do in fact pick up cigarette smoking at an age earlier than is legal because the urge to fit in or look cool is unfortunately, very real at that age.

[rushyrulz]

haha guys look at this cool thing I'm gonna do
*smokes cigarette*
yea that killed me a little bit, isn't that awsome LOL?
I'm so cool and popular now

[ELRayford]

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[25thhour]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

Do you ******s still smoke in 2014 you guys should stab yourselves in the stomach and bleed to death

+1

[Cavernio]

I don't feel any sort of social pressure or need to belong by having a hot beverage around with me. But I definitely see carrying around a coffee cup and sipping on it as something that I too, want to do. Probably because of caffeine itself being a drug I want, and so there's probably a drug-induced craving mechanism that makes the social aspect more salient, but there's still absolutely a social mechanism involved in things like drinking coffee. It's just ridiculous to pretend that there is NO social aspect to vaping, or any other drug use for that matter. Any and every activity in human existence has social implications. Attach an addictive drug and you've got social pressures that will go along with the drug use.

I doubt nicotine's harmless for everyone. It's an addictive drug, and that itself I think is a good enough reason to restrict it. Not that I think it needs to be restricted though, overall my impression of it is that it's prolly about as bad as caffeine.

[dragon890x]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

Any and every activity in human existence has social implications.

If it applies to every activity, it shouldn't be used as reasoning within an argument.
Claiming that smoking is nothing more than a social activity sounds weak.

Personally, I do not believe that drinking coffee or ingesting nicotine is a social habit until a person makes it one.

Also, nicotine is harmful when ingesting 50mg or more, depending on the consumer's body.
Nicotine poisoning is a real thing.

However, nicotine is not harmful to people other than the consumer when using a vaping device.
I believe that this is where vapers are getting at.

[korny]

I only meant to suggest it's incomparably less harmful than cigarettes to the user, and completely harmless in second hand form.

By Mollo's logic, I could say, "do you idiots still eat fast food in 2014" and it would be just as relevant if not more so if we were to consider all the implications that are attributed to supporting widespread access to such convenient poison. Last time I checked the leading cause of death in the United States at least, is heart disease, and the correlation between the two seems to go conveniently overlooked because it somehow receives less of a stigma which is not only hypocritical, but convenient for those choosing to exclusively hold extreme views towards one thing they deem more dangerous and harmful to society just because it doesn't fit in their model of how reality should be.

[ffr212]

Originally Posted by ffr212

People still smoke those? Lol, guess I live under a rock.

Oi.