TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Once again, what is wrong with that post? Flowey and alphys have both called attention to it, and im really not seeing the problem. Maybe cuz im skewed to my own ideas, which of course makes sense. If someone could explain their view without using my quoted posts to explain it, thatd be great. Or at least provide some useful insight. As far as thats concerned, the current remarks arent helping further anything. You guys are making me talk in circles

don't like

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

The reasoning is the same. I am just shedding a light on potentials that deserve some thought.

so sorry

[TWG Mettaton]

I get the reasoning against sans, but there are a few things standing out to me

1) that wagon is 100% not clean
2) sans's end of day vote makes literally zero sense if he's a wolf. If a wolf isn't in danger of being lynched, a wolf moving his vote last second makes you look sketchy as fuck and has no utility attached to it. (why would a wolf vote against a town lynch last second?)

[TWG Mettaton]

that said I have no idea why he's playing like he's playing this phase

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

1) that wagon is 100% not clean

1) that wagon is 100% not clean

1) that wagon is 100% not clean

1) that wagon is 100% not clean

friend... can you explain?

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

(1) it's not like we have very many viable lynching targets at the moment and I can be swayed off of voting for him if a good argument is presented

(2) I'd still very much like to see the people who haven't posted much weight in on things though

(1) this was in response to pressure from So Sorry, and it seems really noncommittal

(2) deflects attention off of himself and on to inactives

that said I find So SOrry more sketchy, which is in contradiction with this very point

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

friend... can you explain?

it's a gut read, I have no evidence to support that besides how rapidly it gained traction

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Same with you tsunderplane. You went right for the wagon. Just trying to understand yall cuz i get the votes. Napsra could say something too

I almost gave So SOrry a town lean for this post and the post above it, until I realized that he's not actually suspicious of these actions --- the word of the day is "diplomatic"

"Just trying to understand yall cuz I get the votes"

this isn't language of someone who is weirded out by a sudden wagon imo

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

it's a gut read, I have no evidence to support that besides how rapidly it gained traction

even so, the meta on FFR has been "vote for your partners" lately, I can't remember a time off the top of my head where there wasn't a wagon on a wolf (in the early stages of the game, of course) without at least one partner voting for their teammate

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Once again, what is wrong with that post? Flowey and alphys have both called attention to it, and im really not seeing the problem. Maybe cuz im skewed to my own ideas, which of course makes sense. If someone could explain their view without using my quoted posts to explain it, thatd be great. Or at least provide some useful insight. As far as thats concerned, the current remarks arent helping further anything. You guys are making me talk in circles

diplomatic

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

it's a gut read, I have no evidence to support that besides how rapidly it gained traction

the two aren't related, you should be replacing the first part of your concern with "The wagon gained traction rapidly" and not "It is 100% not clean"

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

this seems really arbitrary and doesn't help us reason about sans himself

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

the two aren't related, you should be replacing the first part of your concern with "The wagon gained traction rapidly" and not "It is 100% not clean"

alright sure

[TWG Mettaton]

I like papyrus (lol) and alphys so far

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

2) sans's end of day vote makes literally zero sense if he's a wolf. If a wolf isn't in danger of being lynched, a wolf moving his vote last second makes you look sketchy as fuck and has no utility attached to it. (why would a wolf vote against a town lynch last second?)

Wasn't really against a town lynch at that point though, it was a 3-way tie with 2 votes with my vote, sans voted with me and then undyne switched from our votes to asgore. The three candidates for lynching were still the three main candidates.

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

diplomatic

Hey now, you're using their quoted posts to explain your view lmao

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

I like papyrus (lol) and alphys so far

I have papyrus as my 2nd highest human lean after sans, can you talk about why? Everything his done has been minimal thus far. I've expected far more from him. Maybe he's just busy, its part of why I'm giving him a small benefit of the doubt, but I have nothing that I've liked from him, and he hasn't followed up on anything, like his comment on why listening to me makes people stupid.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

I get the reasoning against sans, but there are a few things standing out to me

1) that wagon is 100% not clean
2) sans's end of day vote makes literally zero sense if he's a wolf. If a wolf isn't in danger of being lynched, a wolf moving his vote last second makes you look sketchy as fuck and has no utility attached to it. (why would a wolf vote against a town lynch last second?)

Oh I'll go back to Undyne then I guess
are you basing this solely off of the whole 1 in 4 statistics?

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Muffet

I should have a vote on undyne as well.

Originally Posted by TWG Muffet

Sans is either a cornered human, or a new player with no idea how to defend himself. Just throwing it out there, I'm leaning more towards the formal myself.

Ehh

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Napstablook

Oh I'll go back to Undyne then I guess
are you basing this solely off of the whole 1 in 4 statistics?

WHAT THE FUCK