TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

yes, I dug in my heels because you overreacted and I didn't do anything wrong.

K, well let's flip the coin and have you tell me what exactly you felt that you did right this game?

Because it's easy to say that my expectations of you don't really matter but the truth is I don't see you too hungry to find wolves right now and your post making me feel like you're up to something is the most tangible thing I got from you.

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Pretty sure star just didn't shoot

she's from ToS, where vigis are punished severely for shooting towns (via guilt), so I don't think she would be of the mindset that shooting, even if the shot misses, is good for town, which is incredibly unfortunate

I can't fathom this is the case.

To believe this is to believe that wolves did not try shooting Gradiant (Which get most of you do) and I can't wrap my mind around that.

[MixMasterLar]

Legit not related

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by inDheart

bad vigi play makes the game frustrating

how unusual

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I feel like someone protected Gradiant and the last nightkill was Vigi. This time wolves decided to skip Gradiant and go blue hunting since it clearly didn't work. This assumes vigi shot first night which I feel almost anyone would do in this situation.

She would've (should've) claimed it, so no, I think that theory is out.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

K, well let's flip the coin and have you tell me what exactly you felt that you did right this game?

considering I am town and have offended with stuff outside of the game, the only thing that remains is that my reads haven't been good

so everything else I'd say I've done right.

[the sun fan]

ok the more I think about it maaaaaybe she didn't know she can (should) claim for free

not really worth talking about, I guess (I'm aware I said she prolly didn't shoot first). I don't really see a deep mystery that needs to be solved in the nightkills.

[the sun fan]

claim for free assuming she had already shot*

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

so everything else I'd say I've done right.

Which would be.....?

I mean you haven't lead any votes, admit your reads haven't been up to snuff, I don't see you going around grillin' people or trying to cross reference what they are saying versus what they said....


Let me ask you what you ask Roundbox: Why are you town? What have you done that points to you being town?

[MixMasterLar]

Because so far all I get is an uneasy feeling that you're playing low and humdrum until you see a breaking point and can push a mislynch; more or less skating by.

And while that happens on d0 for you alot as town (I pointed this out d0 I believe) by this point it shouldn't be an issue


And ditto for you Roundbox by this point I expect to see a little fire.

[the sun fan]

I don't know if I led blind, but I definitely wasn't complacent with that lynch

I led wabby's lynch, he just didn't die.

I think you should look at the progression of my reads to see why I'm town. Nothing should feel off there and its something that I think people read me on with success.

This is more of the same old same old from you, I think. Not meeting whatever expectations you have of me is par for the course.

[the sun fan]

definitely wasn't not leading blind* if that makes sense

I was more leader than follower, at least

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I was more leader than follower, at least

Where you?

Where you really?

Let me go back and see if I agree with that

[MixMasterLar]

Ok actually I did forget about this vote

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'll talk a bit about my reads; I did a bit of thinking during the night

short of it is I think wabby is kinda townie (dead air, dead villager[s])

I think star crossed is more likely to be town than not (Manti probably makes the requirement if he's in wolfchat)

I'm lowering inD to Fry-squint levels of town for now.

There was one more townread but I don't remember it.

read on raeko was more of a 1 day kinda thing

I think blind is playing kinda scummy. Coming into today firing from the hip like that seems out of character for his town game.

blind

That's about it

I remember Round making the case d0 and I remember Gradiant voting which prompted Blind to make a bunch of posts that basically made him look bad but this happened at the start if last day phase.

So I'll withdraw that skating by criticism because it does seem like you where at a point being proactive in voting.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I think you should look at the progression of my reads to see why I'm town.

I think I should ask you and you try to give a me as straight of an answer as you can.

If Roundbox had answered you with "read my post" would you have accepted that?

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I think I should ask you and you try to give a me as straight of an answer as you can.

If Roundbox had answered you with "read my post" would you have accepted that?

I would've if he told me what to look for, I did that, and came away agreeing with what he said, yes.

I'm not going to change what I said; I think that's what you should look at.

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Let me ask you what you ask Roundbox: Why are you town? What have you done that points to you being town?

And what have you done?

[mellon_collie]

I haven't done anything cause I'm bad at the game 🙃

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Is this all we're going to get before you go play Dota again?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

And ditto for you Roundbox by this point I expect to see a little fire.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Explain the last nightkill then. I get that some people think wolves are intentionally jut not killing IC but I don't believe that near enough.

hot take: lar is on the wolf team going with the flow of his teammates and intentionally not killing the IC to make lar look towny

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

You're not. No one said you where off the hook.

I am saying that I'm a little more impressed with you then the other two.

why do you like wnb over the other voters on blind?

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

idea thief confirmed

btw last night's lynch marks the second night of raeko, t-force, and ben not voting
I would be fine with a policy in these three but I'm gonna look through star's posts while I have time

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Have you like, not read my posts from the last day phase or are you just trying to make me repeat myself?

I feel like someone protected Gradiant and the last nightkill was Vigi. This time wolves decided to skip Gradiant and go blue hunting since it clearly didn't work. This assumes vigi shot first night which I feel almost anyone would do in this situation.

Explain the last nightkill then. I get that some people think wolves are intentionally jut not killing IC but I don't believe that near enough.

With that attitude maybe

I don't ever exclude anyone (including myself) in such observations because sure as shit someone will throw a damn hissyfit about me doing so every game. Oh but Lar you're in that group as well waaaahhhh why you gonna be hypocritical

I trust you're smart enough to not go after Gradiant and to know I ain't going after myself here.

You're not. No one said you where off the hook.

I am saying that I'm a little more impressed with you then the other two.

I'm not trying to make you repeat yourself, I think your view is built on a shaky foundation. Why do you think vigi should shoot night 1? Look at the EOD and the vote tally. Also, remember that Manti was the vigi in the night, and star literally replaced into the night phase.

The other thing I'm not getting is why you INSIST it MUST be a vigi kill. Can there not be a SK in the game? Are you trying to detract from this possibility?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Because so far all I get is an uneasy feeling that you're playing low and humdrum until you see a breaking point and can push a mislynch; more or less skating by.

And while that happens on d0 for you alot as town (I pointed this out d0 I believe) by this point it shouldn't be an issue


And ditto for you Roundbox by this point I expect to see a little fire.

I can kind agree with this but let me expand on my view of sunfan.

The d0 vote lead I can't really complain about. sunfan found a target and nothing better presented itself. Queue dadv.

Now I'm looking back on his posts d1. Around 751 is where he begins to switch onto blind, from inD. He had two other candidates on the day, raeko for being raeko basically, and inD after agreeing with star's analysis.

Now, we know star is town aligned. sunfan's approach to his case on inD is entirely indirect, or more specifically I never feel like he pokes at inD himself that hard. Look at posts starting from 545 and onward (I went up to 670 before stopping, when T-Force drops a bomb). You see star and inD talking, star and sunfan talking, sunfan and MML, etc. but not inD and sunfan. The vote itself is not particularly weird, but I feel this behavior is.

So back to 751 with blind. Iso-ing the posts after this I can agree with the logic, but I feel it's an "easy" target you know? I'm ofc being a bit hypocritical here since I leaned in on blind too but I didn't really see any posts that suggested he wanted to consider somebody else after this. There's no solving, barely any hesitation (801 is arguable but not convincing) despite blind being universally shunned.

I'll take heat for my own progression on blind but I hope someone else sees this progression as suspicious. For now, sunfan gets my vote.

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I don't know if I led blind, but I definitely wasn't complacent with that lynch

I led wabby's lynch, he just didn't die.

I think you should look at the progression of my reads to see why I'm town. Nothing should feel off there and its something that I think people read me on with success.

This is more of the same old same old from you, I think. Not meeting whatever expectations you have of me is par for the course.

Anyone else think this is a bit unusually phrased?

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I haven't done anything cause I'm bad at the game 🙃

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

Do you have any thoughts on the actions/posts at EoD? Particularly surrounding blind?

[Wineandbread]

I'll ask this to everyone as well: Do you think it is still possible for SK to be in this game?

I'm deliberating setups right now (don't hate me rb) and I'd like people to pitch in cause if I can eliminate SK the setups get much easier to frame.

Basically, is it possible multiple kills were blocked/saved between these nights, or SK would save his night action?