TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

"all that post was"?

If you are meaning what inDheart posted, it was this one



And I will look again after I sleep, at inD's read of funnygirl.

You seem kind of..amped, about my post, from how you followed my vote. Which I appreciate, I think, but I would like it if you would look over it more in the morning and give more specifics thoughts, especially to the other parts about you. It may be that you just didn't have time because you wanted to sleep, but I am a bit concerned, that your enthusiasm is because you are hoping to "pocket" me with it (I think that's what it was called?).

i think he means what you posted, like if "the part about inD talking about the votes on him relating to his self-worth" was all that was in your post it'd still be a good towny post

[MixMasterLar]

STOPPING SHORT OF STAR'S BIG POST BECAUSE I MIGHT NEED TO DIP FOR AN HOUR



but will make some comments.


First, what pronound does Star-Cross use?

Second, I do not like Blind clearing Star so soon.

Third, Leaning Manti town because of lack of post is pretty pointless because I wolfed with him twice and getting him to post both times was hell


I instictly believe he is more likely to be wolf if he posted less then five times, as he hates D0 and has nothing to gain since he never seemed to care about blue hunting and he already knows who the wolves are. He seems like the kind of guy to think "welp, we're killing Gradiant because fucking of course we will and I'm just gonna skate because fuck d0"


As town, he still kind of needs to figure out the game so I feel he would have almost double the number of posts just by prodding people with one liners.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I don't even bother with Manti until D2, its literally pointless almost always. I just really pay attention to star because she makes longer coherent posts and you can feel the contemplating in her thoughts.
I would push forwards Raeko because she's Raeko and gets away with Raeko things and its no fun to watch anymore.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Star had like 1 or 2 post at this juncture? And passing star while excusing any thought of Manti seems convenient. Add the fact that his play has been lackluster+what I said about Manti and I feel like we might have a pair.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Ummm...so I am mostly done with a long post just on the subject of a couple of people, but I am scared no one will read it because it is so long.

I could put funny pictures in it or something, if it would help, I suppose.

Always do long post.

Originally Posted by the sun fan

yeah fuck it he's out gotta post his way back in glgl

make raeko do things while I'm gone pls

Last post I read before dipping. I too want Raeko to talk more

[blindreper1179]

I feel I have a good read on star, I've told sun this already.....

[blindreper1179]

or tforce? Idk.

[MixMasterLar]

Ok back and caught up.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

[a big post in which Star makes a case against InD and votes him]

I both like the effort in this and think the case against InD is so much of a stretch I don't even know how to go about saying what I find wrong with it.

I think half the problem is that there's a bit of culture shock going on and Star has no fucking idea what InD is going on about (not getting references, understanding InD's early tone, etc), which is weird because if that's true then it would have to also be true with almost everyone in here myself included and that doesn't seem to be the case....not to the same extent.

I still have my tinfoil hate about Blind/Manti being a pair as hinted at in my previous post, but to be truthful I don't notice anything Star is doing that outright supports that theory.

Originally Posted by the sun fan

inD had posted two reads that I thought were both original and unlikely to have been made up, one was on funnygurl and I don't remember the other. Most of his posts were short but to the point, and I felt like I liked most of what he was saying. Idk if I'd call him the most solvey player, but I def thought he was doing a lot of reading.

I like the post and I like the vote though. If I am wrong in my town circle, which is the feeling I've had, then I think inD would be a good place for me to look first.

inD

(someone should still make raeko do things though)

This is absolutely lazy. You vote someone you had as a town because the new kid makes the word's craziest stretch on them and it's "a good place to start"?

Dude what?

Even in your wolf games you've always had better progression then this. You don't even really agree with Star in that post yet still go with it.

In effect you are basically saying " well I thought he was town for X reasons, but ehhhh voting that shit now"

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Actually wait, MML said it, but he said it while still reaffirming his vote on Roundbox(?), and was less certain about it from how I remembered it (I think I got that from the second sentence).

I never voted Roundbox.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

You seem kind of..amped, about my post, from how you followed my vote. Which I appreciate, I think, but I would like it if you would look over it more in the morning and give more specifics thoughts, especially to the other parts about you. It may be that you just didn't have time because you wanted to sleep, but I am a bit concerned, that your enthusiasm is because you are hoping to "pocket" me with it (I think that's what it was called?).

It may just be the writing style but this seems way more passive then your case on InD; concerning since SunFan intentionally sheeping is much more tangible then any case you have made on InD.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I feel I have a good read on star, I've told sun this already.....

Sorry (not actually sorry) but could you take me step by step and show me what you have seen + what experience you've had that gives you a good feeling about that read?

[MixMasterLar]

Going to be going in and out someone respond to some stuff so I can get back to you

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Sorry (not actually sorry) but could you take me step by step and show me what you have seen + what experience you've had that gives you a good feeling about that read?

I've played a full game, and a turbo with her, and in both instances, she played like this. Long posts. detailed, constructive. I don't believe she plays exactly the same way as a wolf. Sure, it's a meta call. but, whatever.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Sorry was playing Tekken. Someone challenged me and I had to say yes

I have no idea why wolves didn't go for IC. I guess I need to recheck OP and see what the chances of a third part are (IIRC there shouldn't be one tho): I can only imagine Gradiant got saved and third made the Funnygurl kill.

.....which in itself was pretty stupid. Like I'm not sure why you'd do that unless you where going totally random

I hate how much sense this actually makes, but I still disgree with it

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Ok nevermind Vigi is very possible

So I am going to assume Vigi made a kill out of someone who had votes on them to not doublestack with wolves where would clearly be going for Gradiant. Not sure why they didn't go counterwagon in this case though.

Fah, that's about as useful as speculating will get us.

and thus we arrive to the conclusion I was trying to make yesterday:

it's useless chatter to speculate about something which we cannot confirm. V convinced me about this my first time playing this setup and every time I feel the want to T H E O R Y C R A F T I realize that my efforts are futile because it doesn't find wolves
like even if you did deduce the setup, how does that find you wolves? do you assume that someone is playing their doctor meta? their vigi meta? how far would this even get you?

Originally Posted by the sun fan

the innocent child is one of the worst roles in TWG for town, I've seen many wolf teams and been on more than several myself where we go for other kills first

I think you're a bit too centered on wolves always killing what's in front of them

I also think trying to figure out what happened when we have only two VT flips and one night phase through is not only a bad idea and something that could potentially give wolves a better idea of who to kill (If they aren't interested in killing the IC), its something that should wait until later in the game when the roles have more information that is worth sharing imo

see this guy gets it

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

That's not that weird for him

See, if we're gonna call him a wolf I think the tell would be that he was 99% sure on WV for no fucking reason after doing no fucking working.

the first line here sucks because it's a complete case on meta and not on his intentions

the second line here is much better

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

In #150 (pg. 8), inDheart said "pretty sure i'm winning the lynch right now though so i don't know with what authority i make this post," which seems like he is kind of defining his self-worth by how much people want to hang him, which seems like something mafia care more about than town.

I have some conflicting thoughts on #189 (pg. 10) from inDheart, where he says "well if he didn't disappear with just that we'd know for sure" to reuben about MML being vague. I feel like it makes more sense for a town to be annoyed about that, since mafia would not really care about that. Unless, it is just a tactic to try to make MML look shady. (I would think MML and inDheart would be less likely to both be mafias from that.)

I agree with lots of your evaluations in your post, but I have a problem with this sort of logic because people have different definitions of what would be a scummier move than a townier move. I get upset at getting lynched all the time, so this first point definitely fell flat on me. You do fix it in the second point by looking at his possible intentions (shading MML), though.

and yes, feel free to post super long stuff! there are cool kids out there like me who read it

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

roundbox (#381) said her not voting probably did not mean much, but I am wondering why.

we've discussed TWG strategy quite a bit, and I just spent doing a hydra game with her on MU (wish we got into your game!!)

she's told me a few times about her voting strategy and often times not minding not having a vote out. this applies to the early phases

I'm only answering what I know about her philosophy since you asked. otherwise, I'd let her answer it

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

the part about inD talking about the votes on him relating to his self-worth is like
never, ever made up imo

Originally Posted by the sun fan

hit send too soon; that's a real read if I've ever seen one imo and she's prolly town for it if that was all that post was

is this commenting on the nature of her read, or is this making a read on ind?

[roundbox]

here's the first actual read I'm making, the above posts were nothing more than commentary:

star and ind are never wolf partners here
this would be the most beautiful wolf theater ever presented from BOTH of them

as for the nature of their relationship (towns or a wolf between them), that is to be determined
I will give high credence to both of their cases on each other considering they just played a hydra game with each other. I need to read through ind's posts to see if he imparts any reads on star, as I was really only seeing responses in part of them so I just kinda kept scrolling sorry

[roundbox]

@BLIND

ignoring the probability of the top two lynch candidates being t/w (which is pretty ridiculous considering they were KITB with TWO WHOLE VOTES), why do you think there is 100% a wolf in wnb since wv flipped green?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I both like the effort in this and think the case against InD is so much of a stretch I don't even know how to go about saying what I find wrong with it.

I think half the problem is that there's a bit of culture shock going on and Star has no fucking idea what InD is going on about (not getting references, understanding InD's early tone, etc), which is weird because if that's true then it would have to also be true with almost everyone in here myself included and that doesn't seem to be the case....not to the same extent.

This is absolutely lazy. You vote someone you had as a town because the new kid makes the word's craziest stretch on them and it's "a good place to start"?

Dude what?

Even in your wolf games you've always had better progression then this. You don't even really agree with Star in that post yet still go with it.

In effect you are basically saying " well I thought he was town for X reasons, but ehhhh voting that shit now"

um

1. calling the case a stretch and not providing evidence as to why you don't think so doesn't get us anywhere
2. I would disagree star's having a culture shock here. star has played games on FFR before, and just played hydra with inD on MU. definitely not a "new kid"
3. not sure how insulting sunfan's previous performances makes your point valid, it just comes off as rude, dude
4. and once again, given that star isn't a new kid and you didn't demonstrate how their read is a stretch, how am I supposed to believe this interpretation?

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I've played a full game, and a turbo with her, and in both instances, she played like this. Long posts. detailed, constructive. I don't believe she plays exactly the same way as a wolf. Sure, it's a meta call. but, whatever.

I don't think we've had her as a wolf yet. obviously it's not worth speculating into (because I think she's fine so far) but it's a bit hard to say that it's a meta call when we're missing half of it

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Second, I do not like Blind clearing Star so soon.

Thank you. While I agree that star is town based off of her posts, i absolutely hate how blind cleared her after one post that wasn't similar at all to what she's now putting out.

Not sure if anybody else had already pointed this out about blind but seeing it from mml is making me like him a bit more

[Gradiant]

It's certainly possible though that starcrossed is a wolf (sorta maybe backed up by manti's play), and scum blind is clearing her way early in preparation for the long posts that everybody expects from her as town

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Thank you. While I agree that star is town based off of her posts, i absolutely hate how blind cleared her after one post that wasn't similar at all to what she's now putting out.

Not sure if anybody else had already pointed this out about blind but seeing it from mml is making me like him a bit more

Originally Posted by Gradiant

It's certainly possible though that starcrossed is a wolf (sorta maybe backed up by manti's play), and scum blind is clearing her way early in preparation for the long posts that everybody expects from her as town

Either way though, I don't like blind. Any sort of defense post he has is simply a "well i'm town so you're wrong", and not any sort of effort in refuting the points

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

That hurts sun. I don't see that being out of town play being I'm town, but you don't know that yet.

like what the fuck is this

[roundbox]

I wish I had more time to do shit today but I was sick so I napped a few hours to make sure that I don't get more sick

the good news is that I'm feeling fine but the bad news is I haven't been able to advance my reads on people past:
-blind still being ??? tier plays
-wnb still probably town based off of my read of him yesterday
-mml saying really rude things and not providing cases (and rubbing me the wrong way)
-star not being a partner with ind