jTWG LXV: POSTGAME

[Cavernio]

Maybe if people didn't insult me for my gender I wouldn't be emotionally insecure.

[Cavernio]

'Stand up for yourself poindexter', if anyone gets the simpson's reference

[Cavernio]

Yeah, no idea why a bunch of white, male teenagers and 20 something's would not understand prejudice.

[Cavernio]

Since I can insult people with impunity on here, apparently, you're the stupidest TWG player ever R. Like, seriously. I had no hope of convincing you of anything because you're too fucking stupid.

[TC_Halogen]

That is enough.

I have more to post but I'm telling you right now: post one more time and you'll be banned.

R: one more thing that comes out of your mouth like that again and you'll be banned too.

everyone else: stop talking for just a moment so I can get caught up because I want to make sure I take proper action here, since obviously I'm the only impartial person here at this point

edits in TWG: dammit Kayla

[psychoangel691]

Cavernio I don't know you well at all and I can understand fully why you're upset but I also understand why others are being dismissive of what happened. It's common in the wolf game for people to bring up a variety of things to get an emotional reaction out of another player. I had a game where I blew up and quit because I felt like what was going on was wrong and then even after the game I had J-rodd making insulting comments at me for quitting the game because I got upset.
I'm not going to defend either party, I'm just going to say that TWG can be a rough ass game and things do get said that can really be bothersome. I think that maybe this needs to be something that new players are warned about prior to playing the game. I don't think anyone really realizes how ruthless it can be until they play a game or two.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

That is enough.

I have more to post but I'm telling you right now: post one more time and you'll be banned.

R: one more thing that comes out of your mouth like that again and you'll be banned too.

everyone else: stop talking for just a moment so I can get caught up because I want to make sure I take proper action here, since obviously I'm the only impartial person here at this point

edits in TWG: dammit Kayla

Yeah well I didn't know you were going to tell people to stop talking

Plus I wasn't trying to be an ass to anyone involved or anything :/

[devonin]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

If we're on this: notable quotes from previous games that received no amount of attention/punishment

"If you vote for X, I hope your parents were into incest while you were growing up."

Was this said to somebody who was sexually assaulted by a family member?

"If you think I'm a wolf, I will find you and I will sodomize you with a rusty crowbar."

Was this said to somebody you knew to have been raped?

"Your logic is so bad you must have down-syndrome."

Was this said to somebody you knew to have Downs Syndrome?

those were from memory so they're probably not like, word-for-word, but this game was certainly a departure from the norm.

Then why are all of you trying as hard as you possibly can to normalize it?

[TC_Halogen]

@ Cavernio: You're obviously in disagreement with everyone else; you've made that quite clear with everyone but now you've resorted to flaming, and that needs to stop.

@ devonin: that post does not hold any sort of merit; you're implying that we should take action just because a specific statement is said towards a particular person -- at the end of the day, they're used colloquially in TWG, and not intended as insults in the context of the game. This is what everyone is failing to understand.

I completely understand being upset about what has been said, not just with Gun's situation, but also with feeling like you were being targeted by YoshL too -- the issue between both sides is that one person used it as a tactic for producing a tell (YoshL), and the other interpreted it as a legitimate insult (you). YoshL's post was definitely overly harsh given the context of a jTWG, but it is not something that is unheard of in a regular game. In fact, there are plenty of games where people resort to mudslinging in an effort to get the other person to crack, and it is generally accepted in the game to do so.

I like to think that TGB/TWG are their own areas of the site that have their own, less standardized rules; like TGB, TWG is a subset of the forums that often breaks conventional forum rules (albeit for different reasons) because the increased aggression is typically done within the context of the game and nothing more. It would be safe to say that such a statement would likely not have happened outside of TWG unless there was a slew of flaming/trolling/(etc) to start with, and in that case, a ban would hold considerably more merit.

[TC_Halogen]

additionally: I would like to say that as a staff member, I am not opposed to normalized rules in TWG in the event that something like this happens again.

however, being ridiculously picky about them now is unfair to users being infracted for them now.

here's my suggestion: get a TWG committee going, establish rules on what is fair within the context of a game, and define at what point where the global forum rules apply rather than having things like this happen.

[Gun92]

I know this may not have much of an impact of whats going on. But Ill take a game ban or what ever you deem necessary because of my PM. I wasn't thinking and had a full blown derp moment. Ill take responsibility for my actions and what ever the consequence is for said action.

[Funnygurl555]

yeah so uh i'm going to comment on something said earlier

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Originally Posted by ohsosilly

also lol I just saw this from the game thread

But yeah, @ everyone else... definitely appreciate the insight and it feels good to know that my crazy emotionz were something that everyone experiences to a degree. Any tips on how to manage that other than "don't get upset" lol? That alone doesn't seem to work too well for me :/

One thing I've always kept in mind in playing TWG is that there is always next game. For me, by the time I sign up for another one, what happens in the last game I play doesn't seem nearly as important to me anymore.
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Also,

Originally Posted by Cavernio

Yeah, no idea why a bunch of white, male teenagers and 20 something's would not understand prejudice.

For what it's worth Cav, I'm actually black, female, and formerly Muslim. It's not like I don't understand what it feels like to feel offended by something discriminatory, but if it was not supposed to be taken offensively, then the measures previously taken seemed a bit much even to me.

Not that saying a sarcastic, prejudiced comment to someone you don't even know is totally okay. I've had my times where I blew up because of that on other sites. Maybe in the context of a TWG this may have been more acceptable, but this is a jTWG, and Cav obviously wasn't prepared to deal with that.
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Also TWG committee thing sounds coolio. This entire situation made enjoying TWG pretty hard, and if the goal of this jTWG is to encourage new people to play, then situations like these are going to scare away quite a few people.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

@ devonin: that post does not hold any sort of merit; you're implying that we should take action just because a specific statement is said towards a particular person -- at the end of the day, they're used colloquially in TWG, and not intended as insults in the context of the game. This is what everyone is failing to understand.

No, the point is that they WOULDN'T direct something like that at somebody actually represented by the comment, which is why they are "okay" to use. If somebody said that to somebody they actually knew had been raped or had downs, nobody would think it's okay. They're trying to normalize this as, essentially, "boys will be boys" which is really gross.

[RNGRX]

Originally Posted by YoshL

what would be more useless is if RNG was the medic

Originally Posted by YoshL

thank god he isn't

I love this so much

Originally Posted by Cavernio

Since I can insult people with impunity on here, apparently, you're the stupidest TWG player ever R. Like, seriously. I had no hope of convincing you of anything because you're too fucking stupid.

What did you need to convince to me? I don't care if I'm the worst TWG player. I actually enjoyed playing it and that's what matters to me.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

Yeah, no idea why a bunch of white, male teenagers and 20 something's would not understand prejudice.

The reason I don't empathize with you has nothing to do with not understanding prejudice. It has to do with the fact that he made one sexist comment in the thread and you are trying to convince me he made three. I stop giving a shit when you are trying to paint a minor offense of gun's as though gun is a full-blown member committing the horrible things that are a part of the class of actions called sexism. You decided to find a more sexist interpretation than really exists which makes me stop feeling like your frustration is something I feel like siding with. Sexism is bad but people who make rats into boogeymen are also bad. TC_Halogen is suggesting restructuring the rules of a game that has been played for like 10 years because of how upset you are at your own reaching read of gun's comments. I don't really like it and I could find more polite ways to say this game isn't for you but I think this gets to the point.

[RNGRX]

Who was talking out of thread? I also think that the game may not be as fun should the rules change.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by RNGRX

Who was talking out of thread?

Gun to YoshL about Cav and stuff early on in the game.

[Crazyjayde]

Also can the "what everybody fails to understand/what everybody is doing" argument never be used like, ever, because I feel somehow condemned for something I have no interest in voicing myself into.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by RNGRX

I love this so much

Omg rofl that's so great now that we know you were actually the medic

Bottom paged Crazy whoops sorry man

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

The reason I don't empathize with you has nothing to do with not understanding prejudice. It has to do with the fact that he made one sexist comment in the thread and you are trying to convince me he made three. I stop giving a shit when you are trying to paint a minor offense of gun's as though gun is a full-blown member committing the horrible things that are a part of the class of actions called sexism. You decided to find a more sexist interpretation than really exists which makes me stop feeling like your frustration is something I feel like siding with. Sexism is bad but people who make rats into boogeymen are also bad. TC_Halogen is suggesting restructuring the rules of a game that has been played for like 10 years because of how upset you are at your own reaching read of gun's comments. I don't really like it and I could find more polite ways to say this game isn't for you but I think this gets to the point.

i agree, well said