LiveSTRONG - Page 2

The_Q · 12-1-2004, 06:58 PM

1. That doesn't mean I or anyone I know will get it. My Uncle Bob is the only person I have ever met with the disease.

2.What, do you want me to spend money on something that I won't benefit from at all? Even a feeling of "you did the right thing"? Do you want me to put seconds, minutes, hours, and days of my life over a risk that my family has as predisposition to avoid? Honestly, I wouldn't want you to do that for me if you didn't know me.

Q

Tps222 · 12-1-2004, 08:22 PM

I have one, but yes i agree that it probably goes to the manufacture who i heard nike makes, so im sure there pretty happy with there success. They probably only donate like 33 cents of it to cancer, seeing as there too greedy to donate most of it, but it does help people, mabey not physically, but mentaly, seeing the support their getting, so it's a nice thing to do. Better then buying some useless watergun you can get at the dollar store for the same price.

To comment on what Q said, that's whats wrong with todays society, they only care about what happens to them and the people around them, and saying the whole if it doesnt affect me or anyone i know why should i care speech is very selfish. But that's your opinion and i respect that, i just feel differently.

**stretchypanda** · 12-1-2004, 09:53 PM

But Q is absolutely right. It's a fashion fad that will be over soon. It's very unlikely that people will still be wearing these bracelets after it becomes uncool to do so. (this goes to Tps) The REAL problem with our society is people giving in to silly trends that COULD have some kind of meaning, but not really understanding or caring about that meaning. They are wearing those bracelets because everyone else is wearing one.

You've all admitted that most of the cost of the bracelet will not go toward the cause it supports, so don't let it continue! Donate real money DIRECTLY to a cancer treatment center. Donate your hair to Locks for Love. Volunteer at a hospital. Join a support group. We shouldn't have to show off our good deeds and intentions -- they should just be there.

ThEclipse · 12-1-2004, 10:29 PM

Fucking trendwhore.

Annoying.

Ugly.

Tps222 · 12-1-2004, 11:40 PM

i see what u mean panda. It is a fashion trend, and most people just buy them because everyone else has one. your right on how you shouldn't need a bracelet to shown u done something, beacuse thatwould bring prasie, which u don't ask for, it should go down as a good random deed, or else it wasn't good at all. Good point

The_Q · 12-1-2004, 11:57 PM

No, it was a good deed, it was one that was intended for personal benefit. I'm all for personal benefit. I just don't agree with hypocrites. If you claim to believe in it, believe in it past it's time.

"But I needed support to show my beliefs." Did you read the posts that I just got flamed for? Those are my beliefs. I stood up for them on my own, I'm sure you can to. When you do, I'm sure more than two people will be acceptive of them, too.

And guys, next time I post something, could you not jump on my morals and instead stay on the intended message? It keeps the discussion on topic, which we totally hijacked for around a page.

Q

banditcom · 12-2-2004, 12:02 AM

Don't be a fucking prick just because you don't like trends Q. The LiveStrong is a good cause. I don't have a band, but I support the people who wear them. I think it's awesome that so many people have gotten them. It may be a trend or a fad. Who cares? It's going to a good cause.

Mind your words before you blindly open your mouth to the wrong person and they beat the shit out of you for it.

The_Q · 12-2-2004, 12:17 AM

To recap what we covered and you repeated without any use:

1.Not much money goes to the actual cause. It's being capitalized.
2.The people who wear them are doing it to be cool. That doesn't mean they support the cause at all.
3. I care, as well as many other people.

This is not because I don't like trends. This is because I don't like hypocritical trends. I rather enjoy trends, especially when they benefit me enough that I can capitalize on it's existance.

Q

banditcom · 12-2-2004, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Q

To recap what we covered and you repeated without any use:

1.Not much money goes to the actual cause. It's being capitalized.
2.The people who wear them are doing it to be cool. That doesn't mean they support the cause at all.
3. I care, as well as many other people.

This is not because I don't like trends. This is because I don't like hypocritical trends. I rather enjoy trends, especially when they benefit me enough that I can capitalize on it's existance.

Q

1. Where did you get this information?
2. Who cares? Maybe lately they have been, but so what? It's supporting a good cause.
3. Riiiight...

You're being selfish. You're bashing a good thing because of your viewpoints on trends. It's disrespectful to all those who wear them solely to show support for the fight against cancer.

I can see your viewpoint, because capitalism drove the sale of flags after 9/11. That was wrong. When the flags supported good causes, that was fine. Support is good whether it's through trend or not. Trends can be a wonderful thing.

**stretchypanda** · 12-2-2004, 05:06 AM

Bandit, Nike makes the wristbands, Lance Armstrong endorses them.

SOMEONE has to pay those people.

It's just a given that only a small percentage of the money from each wristband is going toward any kind of cancer research.

JurseyRider734 · 12-2-2004, 06:32 AM

Nike probably gets like 10 cents for each bracelet they sell.

HansSky · 12-2-2004, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Q

2.The people who wear them are doing it to be cool. That doesn't mean they support the cause at all.
Q

Excuse me? All of the people I know that wear them(including me) do so because they know someone with cancer or they support the fight against it. My history teacher wears one because HE has cancer. But of course he's doing that to be cool, right?

How about you think before you make an unbelievably broad statement like that, WHILE offending anybody supporting the cause.

dancer · 12-2-2004, 09:20 AM

ok most of the ppl here kinda mis interperted me IM STILL FOR THE CURE FOR CANCER i just found it funny that ppl made a bracelet like that besides how many of u looked at the link neway

banditcom · 12-2-2004, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JurseyRider734

Nike probably gets like 10 cents for each bracelet they sell.

Exactly, because the deal is probably more like a sponsorship.

The_Q · 12-2-2004, 02:33 PM

Ok, let me clear a few things up. When I said effect, it was intended to mean effect directly. This caused a few of the problems. Indirect effects such as lowered productivity of colleagues, employers, or suppliers is something I do care about (and if you know me, that doesn't always mean money).

Also, the broad statement was wrong, you're right. I should have said "Many people who wear them...etc." This is true for my school, the neighboring schools in the district, and most of the town. I don't know what it's like anywhere near where you live, but I'm sure that many people who you say claim to be all for the cause are just in the for the cause as long as the cause is cool.

I'm sure that Nike gets more than that. Nike must make a profit off of this in order for it to be a good business decision, so either this is advertising or it's adding to the price of each bracelet. Then you have the cost of the store that actually sells it. If it manages to get through multiple stores, the end result is a higher price. Unless, of course, it's being distributed. In that case, it's often distributed with the name of the distributer, so it ends up being an advertisement ploy.

Q

EDIT: What is it about this that makes you guys think I'm against trends and fads? They're great! I love them! They pump life into our economy and I hope they make me rich someday. All I'm doing is saying that this fad tends to be annoyingly false in it's message. The kids around here get jealous over the colors everyone has. The colors! What does that say?

banditcom · 12-2-2004, 02:37 PM

All support from companies in donations is an advertisement ploy either directly or indirectly. Whichever the case, it's win-win. That's the way it works. I'm not complaining because it's a good thing.

The_Q · 12-2-2004, 02:40 PM

There is another possibility. They could pump up the price more just to make the same amount of profit AND donate the same amount to the organization. The only excuse for that, though is, "we're using the extra money you pay to make a donation." Then the donation is in Nike's name, they get a tax cut, and you're still short on cash.

Q

dancer · 12-2-2004, 02:45 PM

ok plz dont flame PLZ I DONT WANT THIS THREAD TO GO TO THE CRAPPER
and btw ppl i have looked at some of the threads and i kinda see a flame war starting so calm down

btw btw this black bracelet goes to no cause so why is the thread going in that direction i only intitled liveSTRONG cause thats the kinda bracelet it is

dancer · 12-2-2004, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banditcom

Don't be a fucking prick just because you don't like trends Q. The LiveStrong is a good cause. I don't have a band, but I support the people who wear them. I think it's awesome that so many people have gotten them. It may be a trend or a fad. Who cares? It's going to a good cause.

Mind your words before you blindly open your mouth to the wrong person and they beat the shit out of you for it.

and if u dont know what im talking about here is one flame post listen im not trying to be a problem but if u got an arguement plz say it without having to dis someone elese

**stretchypanda** · 12-2-2004, 04:18 PM

Dancer, this is nowhere near the caliber of flame topics that get locked. Stop postwhoring.

Bandit, while it's a good thing, and yes, the money goes toward cancer research no matter why you're buying it, it's still pathetic that it's becoming more and more a fashion statement than a statement of hope or support.

Wal-Mart and Target sell pink products, and donate ALL the proceeds to Komen. I bought an umbrella. It donated $15 AND it's actually useful.

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12-2-2004, 09:20 AM	#33
dancer FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: colleyville Age: 36 Posts: 143	ok most of the ppl here kinda mis interperted me IM STILL FOR THE CURE FOR CANCER i just found it funny that ppl made a bracelet like that besides how many of u looked at the link neway __________________

12-2-2004, 02:45 PM	#38
dancer FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: colleyville Age: 36 Posts: 143	ok plz dont flame PLZ I DONT WANT THIS THREAD TO GO TO THE CRAPPER and btw ppl i have looked at some of the threads and i kinda see a flame war starting so calm down btw btw this black bracelet goes to no cause so why is the thread going in that direction i only intitled liveSTRONG cause thats the kinda bracelet it is __________________

12-1-2004, 06:58 PM	#21
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	1. That doesn't mean I or anyone I know will get it. My Uncle Bob is the only person I have ever met with the disease. 2.What, do you want me to spend money on something that I won't benefit from at all? Even a feeling of "you did the right thing"? Do you want me to put seconds, minutes, hours, and days of my life over a risk that my family has as predisposition to avoid? Honestly, I wouldn't want you to do that for me if you didn't know me. Q

12-1-2004, 08:22 PM	#22
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	I have one, but yes i agree that it probably goes to the manufacture who i heard nike makes, so im sure there pretty happy with there success. They probably only donate like 33 cents of it to cancer, seeing as there too greedy to donate most of it, but it does help people, mabey not physically, but mentaly, seeing the support their getting, so it's a nice thing to do. Better then buying some useless watergun you can get at the dollar store for the same price. To comment on what Q said, that's whats wrong with todays society, they only care about what happens to them and the people around them, and saying the whole if it doesnt affect me or anyone i know why should i care speech is very selfish. But that's your opinion and i respect that, i just feel differently.

12-1-2004, 09:53 PM	#23
stretchypanda shock me shock me Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Age: 39 Posts: 4,123	But Q is absolutely right. It's a fashion fad that will be over soon. It's very unlikely that people will still be wearing these bracelets after it becomes uncool to do so. (this goes to Tps) The REAL problem with our society is people giving in to silly trends that COULD have some kind of meaning, but not really understanding or caring about that meaning. They are wearing those bracelets because everyone else is wearing one. You've all admitted that most of the cost of the bracelet will not go toward the cause it supports, so don't let it continue! Donate real money DIRECTLY to a cancer treatment center. Donate your hair to Locks for Love. Volunteer at a hospital. Join a support group. We shouldn't have to show off our good deeds and intentions -- they should just be there.

12-1-2004, 10:29 PM	#24
ThEclipse FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: i did it all for the nookie Posts: 1,641	Fucking trendwhore. Annoying. Ugly.

12-1-2004, 11:40 PM	#25
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	i see what u mean panda. It is a fashion trend, and most people just buy them because everyone else has one. your right on how you shouldn't need a bracelet to shown u done something, beacuse thatwould bring prasie, which u don't ask for, it should go down as a good random deed, or else it wasn't good at all. Good point

12-1-2004, 11:57 PM	#26
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	No, it was a good deed, it was one that was intended for personal benefit. I'm all for personal benefit. I just don't agree with hypocrites. If you claim to believe in it, believe in it past it's time. "But I needed support to show my beliefs." Did you read the posts that I just got flamed for? Those are my beliefs. I stood up for them on my own, I'm sure you can to. When you do, I'm sure more than two people will be acceptive of them, too. And guys, next time I post something, could you not jump on my morals and instead stay on the intended message? It keeps the discussion on topic, which we totally hijacked for around a page. Q

12-2-2004, 12:02 AM	#27
banditcom FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willimantic, CT Age: 41 Posts: 6,243	Don't be a fucking prick just because you don't like trends Q. The LiveStrong is a good cause. I don't have a band, but I support the people who wear them. I think it's awesome that so many people have gotten them. It may be a trend or a fad. Who cares? It's going to a good cause. Mind your words before you blindly open your mouth to the wrong person and they beat the shit out of you for it.

12-2-2004, 12:17 AM	#28
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	To recap what we covered and you repeated without any use: 1.Not much money goes to the actual cause. It's being capitalized. 2.The people who wear them are doing it to be cool. That doesn't mean they support the cause at all. 3. I care, as well as many other people. This is not because I don't like trends. This is because I don't like hypocritical trends. I rather enjoy trends, especially when they benefit me enough that I can capitalize on it's existance. Q

12-2-2004, 05:06 AM	#30
stretchypanda shock me shock me Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Age: 39 Posts: 4,123	Bandit, Nike makes the wristbands, Lance Armstrong endorses them. SOMEONE has to pay those people. It's just a given that only a small percentage of the money from each wristband is going toward any kind of cancer research.

12-2-2004, 02:33 PM	#35
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	Ok, let me clear a few things up. When I said effect, it was intended to mean effect directly. This caused a few of the problems. Indirect effects such as lowered productivity of colleagues, employers, or suppliers is something I do care about (and if you know me, that doesn't always mean money). Also, the broad statement was wrong, you're right. I should have said "Many people who wear them...etc." This is true for my school, the neighboring schools in the district, and most of the town. I don't know what it's like anywhere near where you live, but I'm sure that many people who you say claim to be all for the cause are just in the for the cause as long as the cause is cool. I'm sure that Nike gets more than that. Nike must make a profit off of this in order for it to be a good business decision, so either this is advertising or it's adding to the price of each bracelet. Then you have the cost of the store that actually sells it. If it manages to get through multiple stores, the end result is a higher price. Unless, of course, it's being distributed. In that case, it's often distributed with the name of the distributer, so it ends up being an advertisement ploy. Q EDIT: What is it about this that makes you guys think I'm against trends and fads? They're great! I love them! They pump life into our economy and I hope they make me rich someday. All I'm doing is saying that this fad tends to be annoyingly false in it's message. The kids around here get jealous over the colors everyone has. The colors! What does that say?

12-2-2004, 02:37 PM	#36
banditcom FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willimantic, CT Age: 41 Posts: 6,243	All support from companies in donations is an advertisement ploy either directly or indirectly. Whichever the case, it's win-win. That's the way it works. I'm not complaining because it's a good thing.

12-2-2004, 02:40 PM	#37
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 34 Posts: 4,391	There is another possibility. They could pump up the price more just to make the same amount of profit AND donate the same amount to the organization. The only excuse for that, though is, "we're using the extra money you pay to make a donation." Then the donation is in Nike's name, they get a tax cut, and you're still short on cash. Q

12-2-2004, 04:18 PM	#40
stretchypanda shock me shock me Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Age: 39 Posts: 4,123	Dancer, this is nowhere near the caliber of flame topics that get locked. Stop postwhoring. Bandit, while it's a good thing, and yes, the money goes toward cancer research no matter why you're buying it, it's still pathetic that it's becoming more and more a fashion statement than a statement of hope or support. Wal-Mart and Target sell pink products, and donate ALL the proceeds to Komen. I bought an umbrella. It donated $15 AND it's actually useful.

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