DJ Sharpnel v.s. t+pazolite

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

This thread gave me a great idea (debatable), I'm going to analyze the latest CDs of DJ Sharpnel (the ones I have), compile the data (amount of sped up Jap girls/ratio of anime remixes to normal music remixes/etc.), and see what I find. I'm doing it because it sounds like fun (if you don't think it sounds like fun... duh... but look at what I do for fun http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=109471, yeah, I know), whether it helps kill the cliches or proves them to be true (or neither), whatever, Imma have fun... and a reason to make a thread.

Anyway, back to the topic.

[masuat]

Halogen no hard feelings brah but yeah I did come off a little elitist in my first post so my bad.

I remember a thread here a while ago where we had already exposed sharpnel's ~secret formula~, was like speed up anime OPs 1.5x + amen breaks haha.

[TC_Halogen]

HEY I CAN DO THAT IN FL STUDIO LOOK AT ME GOOOOOOOOOO

There are a few songs where he tends to break away from that formula...like this one.

Yes, there's a bit of amen in there but it's not abuse. Probably one of my favorite Sharpnel songs.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI

Tristan where are you?

hi


Ok, here I go. lol

Originally Posted by Ghakimx

t+pazolite is a lot less generic in my opinion. He doesn't just take vocals from another song and then adds helium to them but he has his own singer. Oh, and his songs on Alice's Emotion and Hardcore Tano*C are great.

Though I wonder what _.Spitfire._ will say to this.

Lol, yeah, taking touhou tunes and putting a standard phat hardcore beat to it is definetely alot less generic. Not saying that I don't like it though.
And if you actually listened to t+pazolite's songs, you'd notice that when he doesn't use a touhou tune, he uses high pitched vocals as well.
Ofcourse there are exceptions, t+paz makes original tunes, but his arrangement to original ratio is about 10:1

Sharpnel makes more original material. Aside from the fact that they use japanese vocals in a bunch of their songs, they make their own melodies to the vocals alot of the time.
And songs with vocals in them hardly cover everything of their discography.

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

t+pazolite makes more hardcore songs

If you don't know whwat I'm talking about listen to Anima Calendar (midare megapack 4) and necropotence

That is speedcore, not hardcore. And the song calendar (real name: 暦) was cut humongously btw. There's 8 minutes of a heartbeat and random crap before it lol.
Also, Listen to KillingScum, Sharpnel's alias for speedcore.

Originally Posted by Bluearrowll

Neither my god you can't be more generic from an FFR-based system. Why don't you list Cornandbeans (no offense to him) up there while your at it.

Go find some real quality like Sam and Pledger or W&W or Arnej or something less mainstream holy **** this thread is the kind of thread that pisses me off. There is more to life than just Dj Sharpnel and T+Pazolite.(no offense to either artist.)

Real quality? Mainstream?
Do you have any idea how small the J-Core scene still is? And by J-Core scene I mean the actual J-Core scene, not the people who loooooooooooove sharpnel and have only listened to shihen or some other crap. Just because you and a few thousand stepmania players have "heard" a few (very few?) sharpnel songs doesn't make it mainstream.
And quality is in the eyes of the beholder. I for one enjoy crazy synth to fast paced beats.

Also, why anyone thinks of mainstream as bad is beyond me. As long as you think the song sounds good, it shouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by MrRubix

Unlike Blue, I intend offense in my statements to both you and all artists involved. You chose sucky choices and need to expand your ****.

I expected better from you.

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I bring up Rubix's Law of Sharpnel:

DJ Sharpnel = ((Basshunter + Japanese)*1.5 Montonony Multiplier)*40% higher vocal pitch

Just shows how much songs by sharpnel you have heard.

Originally Posted by PhaeL v2

Among the Hardcore artists around the world, sorry, but they suck, really suck. Go listen any of the artists featured at european festivals like Masters of Hardcore and Thunderdome. I really think they're not generic as t+pazolite and Sharpnel.
And among the electronic music japanese artists, people like Teranoid and L.E.D. are better. Oh, and I can't forget about REDALiCE and Shimamura.

Again an opinion not shared by everyone. I think Thunderdome and MoH sucks cause they try too hard to have a dark sound.
REDALiCE and Shimamura both have a ton of songs that aren't too great either imo.
Teranoid and L.E.D. don't make bad songs, but they don't make songs that stand out either, with very few exceptions.

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI

That's not at all because t+pazolite's CD's are 120 dollars and up, right?

EDIT: AND they're impossible to find.

120 dollars is a bit steep, and there are only about 3-4 auctions that are that high every time. And these auctions show up everytime cause no one is buying them, leaving you to believe they're all that expensive.
CD's that are still in print are all about 20 bucks, and CD's that are out of print tend to range from 30 bucks to 90, and the occassional 120 bucks.
Most auctions don't end up higher than 60 bucks though.

Originally Posted by Kibblre

^^ This. I looked to buy and I found only one of his albums for $130 without shipping (shipped from Japan).

Terrible price, for any of t+pazolite's cd's.

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Really, it's a case-by-case thing. I don't know how many of these Gabba Disco CDs were released but it saddens me that there is p. much no way to obtain them.

the GABDSG series was limited to 100 copies each I believe

Originally Posted by Dr Tran

1000's of copies isnt a lot

In the J-Core scene it is lol

Originally Posted by masuat

There's a Chinese phrase that goes 試小小 扮代表. Means knowing little but acting like you represent it; mostly what's going on in this thread.

This pretty much.


And before people go and say I'm biased towards Sharpnel and need to expand my horizon, I don't limit myself to just Sharpnel.
I listen to all kinds of j-core artists, and I listen to alot of breakcore, Drum 'n Bass, IDM, dubstep, pop and certain genres of rock as well.

/Spitfire J-Core rant

[simulater10]

Not gonna get in on the flaming. All i'm gonna say is I like Sharpnel more and leave.

[EnR]

I broke the 50/50 sorry guys.

[Ghakimx]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

hi


Ok, here I go. lol

Huge ass text-

/Spitfire J-Core rant

Cool story bro. I read through the whole thing and it touched me heart while educating me about certain facts within the music industry of hardcore techno in Japan and its popularity that has reached through the world after music had spread from Japan and onto the internet to other listeners and even Stepmania artists whom highly enjoy the music as something to listen to and chart for and to share and continue to spread towards other people who would then do the same and thus continuously increasing the popularity of artists in Japan.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by Ghakimx

Cool story bro. I read through the whole thing and it touched me heart while educating me about certain facts within the music industry of hardcore techno in Japan and its popularity that has reached through the world after music had spread from Japan and onto the internet to other listeners and even Stepmania artists whom highly enjoy the music as something to listen to and chart for and to share and continue to spread towards other people who would then do the same and thus continuously increasing the popularity of artists in Japan.

oh u

[Ghakimx]

oh yes me

And I'll give anyone 5k of credits if they managed to read my previous continuous run on post in one breath and then upload a video.

[PhaeL v2]

I would try it for 20k.




nah, nvm, I don't have a camera.

[duddychuck@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by PhaeL v2

I would try it for 20k.




nah, nvm, I don't have a camera.

lawl

[kommisar]

tpz cuz he doesn't rip his stuff from existing anime songs and adds drum and bass to it like sharpnel

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by kommisar

tpz cuz he doesn't rip his stuff from existing anime songs and adds drum and bass to it like sharpnel

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

Lol, yeah, taking touhou tunes and putting a standard phat hardcore beat to it is definetely alot less generic. Not saying that I don't like it though.
And if you actually listened to t+pazolite's songs, you'd notice that when he doesn't use a touhou tune, he uses high pitched vocals as well.
Ofcourse there are exceptions, t+paz makes original tunes, but his arrangement to original ratio is about 10:1

Sharpnel makes more original material. Aside from the fact that they use japanese vocals in a bunch of their songs, they make their own melodies to the vocals alot of the time.
And songs with vocals in them hardly cover everything of their discography

[kommisar]

i could say the same about tpz. he's relatively new compared to sharpnel and to me, his arrangements are much more appealing than shrapnel

[Kibblre]

Hey Ghakimx, I'll read your run-on for 20k creds.

[rajdaddy]

T+Pazolite hands down

p.s
masuat is a idiot

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

Originally Posted by masuat

I remember a thread here a while ago where we had already exposed sharpnel's ~secret formula~, was like speed up anime OPs 1.5x + amen breaks haha.

Then it's time for a new formula, because that sure doesn't sound like it spawned from an intelligent source.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

There are a few songs where he tends to break away from that formula...like this one.

Hell yeah xD, I love his polka **** rofl, but there's more than a few.

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

hi

Spitfire J-Core rant

I love learning, I really don't know jack about most J-core artists, but at least I'm not ****ing stupid enough to just stick with the first J-core artist I hear of. It's good to learn the contrasts every once in a while... I listen to Sharpnel three hours on the bus three days a week, and sometimes I wonder if there's better, and now that I've aquired all the available DJ Sharpnel albums, I can work on other artists ;O Dude, I can't wait to get my 4 DJ Sharpnel CDs in the mail, and the t+pazolite CD, and the 3 Tano*C CDs, and the 2 Technorch CDs, and the other 4.

Little known fact: DJ Sharpnel isn't _.Spitfire._'s favorite artist :V

[masuat]

Originally Posted by rajdaddy

T+Pazolite hands down

p.s
masuat is a idiot

Good post.

Kind of funny how many people are taking this as some sort of personal attack or something against their interest in sharpnel and/or t+pazolite. If it makes you feel better pile on the blank insults and passive-aggressive bs, I mean it's all inconsequential just saying. Perhaps you'd like to bring actual arguments and stuff. The exchange rate of trolling in ffr to most other forums resembles currency from an African nation... perhaps I've brought too much srs into one thread already!

I also apologize for pooping up the thread further but what can I do !

[ninjaKIWI]

Originally Posted by Flaming_Dingleberry

and now that I've aquired all the available DJ Sharpnel albums

lol

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by Flaming_Dingleberry

Little known fact: DJ Sharpnel isn't _.Spitfire._'s favorite artist :V

Oh?


Lol, I agree there are J-Core artists who produce better on a more consistent basis, but I love both the old school sound of Sharpnel as well as the new sound. It's just a matter of sorting through the trash for the good songs.

Most people only listen to songs like shihen, blue army, pants and strangeprogram etc. and immediately form the opinion that Sharpnel only makes sped up remakes of anime tunes. And while that's true for a part of their older works, they've also made alot of good songs, even with vocals.
Sped up vocal songs like the ones mentioned before would cover for about 25% of their discography.
Sharpnel also makes rave, frenchcore, speedcore, schranz, noise, drum 'n bass, hardstyle and even pop music (although it usually has a touch of j-core too it), but most of you probably never listened to those songs.

Another thing is, people tend to only know the old sharpnel songs, which in comparison to new j-core, like that of t+pazolite, sounds pretty lame.
But even though those songs range from the year 1998 to 2004, they still find those songs representative for Sharpnel and comparable to the newest songs out there?



It usually depends on the song itself, and what you enjoy yourself. I enjoy the old school j-core back when it just started and when they had little means to create them, but I enjoy the newer sounds, like t+pazolite and RoughSketch just as much.
Sharpnel is still on top for me though.