Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files?

maximemoring · 01-27-2018, 10:39 AM

I'm talking about those blue note ones that have notes constantly off-key, non-jumps, etc.

With the efforts to modernize the game, the game stil has a bunch of those old, inaccurate files that I simply don't want to do because of how they are, but still bring down my rank/average in-game.

I am sure that I am not the only one who feels like, especially considering today's standards with adding new files, they simply should be removed from the game entirely.

By the way, love the standalone Air version, smooth as butter.

**blindreper1179** · 01-27-2018, 11:57 AM

Back in my day, that's all we had to play and it was good times. They're still around to show you youngins how we had it, where we came from. They'll always be here.

maximemoring · 01-27-2018, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Back in my day, that's all we had to play and it was good times.

Exactly. That's all you had. It's not the case anymore (and hasn't been for a very long time) and it's only bringing the enjoyment down now because the game's ranking system still relies on them/takes them into consideration. They're just not fun to play anymore.

**rushyrulz** · 01-27-2018, 12:45 PM

They were banished to the Legacy genre, but with this new fangled difficulty sorting, they're starting to show up in new players' day-to-day again. I definitely agree that it probably hurts the game more than helps it when a player runs into something like Until The End.

**foxfire667** · 01-27-2018, 01:09 PM

We've already removed certain very stupid files from public ranking (e.g. Crowdpleaser v1). I'm surprised old legacy files haven't gotten an exclusive leaderboard yet, and maybe tucked a little more away so newbies don't stumble upon the garbage and think that's how FFR files typically operate.

I can see why they are still in game, but treating a lot of these very poorly synced songs like every other file is king of bleh. This is coming from someone who did bother to basically AAA every single one of them too.

**storn42** · 01-27-2018, 01:23 PM

I don't think legacy files need to be taken out of the game, but puttimg something in the titles or something to help signal to people who are sortinf by difficulty that they are legacy.

**rushyrulz** · 01-27-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by storn42

I don't think legacy files need to be taken out of the game, but puttimg something in the titles or something to help signal to people who are sortinf by difficulty that they are legacy.

this

cedolad · 01-27-2018, 01:56 PM

If I had to AAA all the blue butt fuck off sync garbage, you have to too.

**MrPoptart** · 01-27-2018, 06:21 PM

Taking them out of the public levelranks and putting them into the token or maybe even their own levelranks is way past due. I've seen so many threads suggesting this over the years and the only argument I've seen against doing it is:

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Originally Posted by cedolad

If I had to AAA all the blue butt fuck off sync garbage, you have to too.

Which is a terrible argument and reads more like: "I don't think something should be improved because I also think it needs to be improved but am bitter about having to deal with it for so long." There's no reason to subject new players or even current players to them and as long as you get to keep your scores I don't see the problem.

**Rapta** · 01-27-2018, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cedolad

If I had to AAA all the blue butt fuck off sync garbage, you have to too.

this

**foxfire667** · 01-27-2018, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapta

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Is a bad idea, no.

**Charu** · 01-27-2018, 01:56 PM

Blue Note Files are lit, don't hate!

**Charu** · 01-27-2018, 01:57 PM

C-cedolad?

Ooo...

cedolad · 01-27-2018, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

C-cedolad?

Ooo...

It's a ghooossstttt

Wayward Vagabond · 01-27-2018, 02:03 PM

[legacy] song title

**PixlSM** · 01-27-2018, 02:07 PM

I came into this thread expecting someone advocating for files that can only be completed with TAS tools

**PrawnSkunk** · 01-27-2018, 03:07 PM

I agree. I'll be looking into ways to filter the Legacy genre from the main song selection.

**foxfire667** · 01-27-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PrawnSkunk

I agree. I'll be looking into ways to filter the Legacy genre from the main song selection.

Nice, glad that these sorts of little issues are being looked at in a more progressive light than they used to be. Thanks Prawn.

**DossarLX ODI** · 01-28-2018, 10:16 AM

Just want to remind that Max is looking into filtering the legacy genre.

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Originally Posted by PrawnSkunk

I agree. I'll be looking into ways to filter the Legacy genre from the main song selection.

The fundamental idea is to not mix legacy files with current ingame files that are properly synced and playable (i.e. put them somewhere else that doesn't include the same levelranks, etc). Legacy charts leave a bad impression and are confusing for players who are playing the lower difficulty ranges, as most of them are not necessarily difficult but rather just hard to time -- barring the fewer harder ones.

Another perspective to consider is the following about true legacy:
- One perfect window (there are 3 now)
- No speedmods (you can specify custom speed mods now)
- Misaligned receptors
- Average-miss issue (this was fixed in 2008 by Xelius)

These improvements made the game a lot more playable. Legacy files still preserve what used to be in the game in the beginning, but belong in a different category separate from modern charts.

**Dinglesberry** · 01-27-2018, 06:10 PM

Edit the blue note songs so half the notes are randomly red, and half blue

They'll never know...

01-27-2018, 10:39 AM	#1
maximemoring FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 19	Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files? I'm talking about those blue note ones that have notes constantly off-key, non-jumps, etc. With the efforts to modernize the game, the game stil has a bunch of those old, inaccurate files that I simply don't want to do because of how they are, but still bring down my rank/average in-game. I am sure that I am not the only one who feels like, especially considering today's standards with adding new files, they simply should be removed from the game entirely. By the way, love the standalone Air version, smooth as butter. Last edited by maximemoring; 01-27-2018 at 11:42 AM..

01-27-2018, 12:45 PM	#4
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files? They were banished to the Legacy genre, but with this new fangled difficulty sorting, they're starting to show up in new players' day-to-day again. I definitely agree that it probably hurts the game more than helps it when a player runs into something like Until The End. __________________

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Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,858	Re: Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files? [legacy] song title __________________

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PrawnSkunk Administrator User Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 29 Posts: 3,902	Re: Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files? I agree. I'll be looking into ways to filter the Legacy genre from the main song selection.

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Dinglesberry longing Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,680	Re: Isn't it time we said goodbye to the non tool-assisted files? Edit the blue note songs so half the notes are randomly red, and half blue They'll never know...

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