Alternative Source of Energy - Page 5

Shopowner200 · 05-11-2006, 05:53 AM

I am most receptive to the idea of solar power. But alas, the US couldn't use solar panels (Thanks to a certain president who I won't name, but many people will know who I am talking about immediatly). We are now so far in debt that it would take hundreds of Bill Clintons to get us out of that debt. And by that 400+ years later, we would have needed a clean burning source such as Nuclear power or Natural gas. The US again is paranoid about anyone having Enriched Uranium (A substance used for Nuclear Power) that other countries would probably head to natural gas.

mattyohh · 05-12-2006, 01:29 AM

I understand why they're paranoid about Iran having Enriched Uranium. Muslims states generally tend to stray towards pyscho dictatorships and well you don't really want them to get a hold of a nuclear weapon.

skyrunner06 · 05-12-2006, 09:26 PM

we are not running out of oil anytime soon stop worrying

ApocalypseAp · 05-12-2006, 10:46 PM

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mattyohh · 05-13-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skyrunner06

we are not running out of oil anytime soon stop worrying

Oil is very harmful to the environment. It would be better to switch to Nucular or a Renewable source of energy you half-witted, idiotic, simple minded fool. ( I just called you stupid four different ways)

**JasonKey** · 05-13-2006, 06:36 AM

Keeping an old thread alive it seems .. but what the heck:

Cellulosic ethanol is the solution and most folks know it. Not ethanol derived from corn or soy or even sugar cane as Brazil is doing. Pure sugar takes a lot of land to produce. Cellulose however is in ALL plants, and makes up the majority of all plant level sugars. This means ethanol can be derived from grass clippings, saw dust, paper waste, cardboard waste, switch grass .. and yes .. even the hippies will shout .. hemp. Hell, there is even research going on looking at ethanol production using algae growing in waste water.

My take on ethanol is, we can engineer higher levels of production and there is a lot of room for improvement. It IS production .. not just pumping. So competitive pressures will matter, making companies work harder and harder to make more for less. Additionally, its not necessarily the big oil companies that will have the strangle hold on the processes. There are college students today that can actually develop significant breakthroughs that may further help increase production while decreasing costs.

The catch is .. oil IS cheap when you consider we ship it, store it, fight over it, search for it and drill into the earth for it. Imagine what it costs to ship a HUGE ship full of unrefined oil around the world. If we had to do that much work to get Orange juice .. you think it would cost $70 a barrel?

Cellulosic Ethanol can be both a power solution and a solution for cars. Watch over the next 10 years how it progresses. Also, searching google for cellulosic ethanol shows you how much work is being done currently.

mattyohh · 05-13-2006, 06:58 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol

Cellulosic ethanol is a blend of normal ethanol that can be produced from a great diversity of biomass including waste from urban, agricultural, and forestry sources. There are at least two methods of production of cellulosic ethanol—enzymatic hydrolysis and synthesis gas fermentation. Neither process generates toxic emissions when it produces ethanol. The technology is very new and exists in pilot configurations where testing is ongoing.

So pretty much it can be made out of anything we think is waste with some sugar in it. This sounds alot better than oil and it doesn't even produce toxic emissions. It seems like a win win situtation. Maybe the only downside to this would be the scale it needs to be produced on and if it could be mass produced in a power plant.

Hollus · 05-15-2007, 09:36 PM

One alternative to basically all conventional energy sources is float wind turbines/kites hybrids them in the jet stream, instead on traditional ground-based turbines. They could easily produce more than twice or three times the energy of conventional wind turbines, can run day and night unlike solar power, and they would produce zero emissions or pollutants.

If you launched them with automatically inflating/deflating balloons, and attached them to the ground with steel cables (and power cords), they could winch up and down in minutes in cause of tornadoes, lightning, storms, whatever.

And by placing them in the stratosphere or whatever, you eliminate all the beauty issues, noise pollution and the bird crashes.

GuidoHunter · 05-16-2007, 03:34 AM

Good job bumping a YEAR OLD THREAD.

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05-11-2006, 05:53 AM	#81
Shopowner200 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freakin' DC! Posts: 92	Re: Alternative Source of Energy I am most receptive to the idea of solar power. But alas, the US couldn't use solar panels (Thanks to a certain president who I won't name, but many people will know who I am talking about immediatly). We are now so far in debt that it would take hundreds of Bill Clintons to get us out of that debt. And by that 400+ years later, we would have needed a clean burning source such as Nuclear power or Natural gas. The US again is paranoid about anyone having Enriched Uranium (A substance used for Nuclear Power) that other countries would probably head to natural gas.

05-12-2006, 09:26 PM	#83
skyrunner06 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: his name is millhouse Age: 36 Posts: 154	Re: Alternative Source of Energy we are not running out of oil anytime soon stop worrying

05-13-2006, 06:36 AM	#86
JasonKey FFR Underseer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hinterlands, NC Posts: 2,643	Re: Alternative Source of Energy Keeping an old thread alive it seems .. but what the heck: Cellulosic ethanol is the solution and most folks know it. Not ethanol derived from corn or soy or even sugar cane as Brazil is doing. Pure sugar takes a lot of land to produce. Cellulose however is in ALL plants, and makes up the majority of all plant level sugars. This means ethanol can be derived from grass clippings, saw dust, paper waste, cardboard waste, switch grass .. and yes .. even the hippies will shout .. hemp. Hell, there is even research going on looking at ethanol production using algae growing in waste water. My take on ethanol is, we can engineer higher levels of production and there is a lot of room for improvement. It IS production .. not just pumping. So competitive pressures will matter, making companies work harder and harder to make more for less. Additionally, its not necessarily the big oil companies that will have the strangle hold on the processes. There are college students today that can actually develop significant breakthroughs that may further help increase production while decreasing costs. The catch is .. oil IS cheap when you consider we ship it, store it, fight over it, search for it and drill into the earth for it. Imagine what it costs to ship a HUGE ship full of unrefined oil around the world. If we had to do that much work to get Orange juice .. you think it would cost $70 a barrel? Cellulosic Ethanol can be both a power solution and a solution for cars. Watch over the next 10 years how it progresses. Also, searching google for cellulosic ethanol shows you how much work is being done currently.

05-15-2007, 09:36 PM	#88
Hollus FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 66	Re: Alternative Source of Energy One alternative to basically all conventional energy sources is float wind turbines/kites hybrids them in the jet stream, instead on traditional ground-based turbines. They could easily produce more than twice or three times the energy of conventional wind turbines, can run day and night unlike solar power, and they would produce zero emissions or pollutants. If you launched them with automatically inflating/deflating balloons, and attached them to the ground with steel cables (and power cords), they could winch up and down in minutes in cause of tornadoes, lightning, storms, whatever. And by placing them in the stratosphere or whatever, you eliminate all the beauty issues, noise pollution and the bird crashes.

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