Leaderboard D9 new name and color

[xXOpkillerXx]

D9 is being added to the leaderboards.
It has nothing to do with tournaments for now due to lack of players and content.

What name do you suggest?
I will poll for "Revolutionary" which was the 2nd choice for D8 back then, and a few people have suggested it again. It also makes for a nice concept of a final division with a name that matches the game's name.

Feel free to suggest any other name here.
Also, it needs a color. I wont suggest any for now since I havent tested them on the leaderboard to see how it looks.
If you suggest any, it'd be nice if you could provide a screenshot of how it looks, both in light and dark theme.

Thanks~

PS: I do not have any final word on these, this is purely for having community ideas for the staff to see.

[mi40]

Gamer

[Lights]

I'll mention "Undefined" again.

[tosh]

D9 name should be Squidward

[XelNya]

Stick to the D[Number]

[play more]

[ToonE156]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Stick to the D[Number]

We are its just that a name has to go alongside it too

[play more]

lmao

[ToonE156]

Originally Posted by play more

lmao

It's all your fault Kane

[Phynx]

Use "Unco". Mildly appropriate.

[katanaeyegaming]

This was going to happen eventually. What's the cutoff though?

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by ToonE156

We are its just that a name has to go alongside it too

It actually doesn't. Just listing the divisions, and songs with numbers, is more than good enough. I frankly dislike D7 folks getting their own user group.

[klimtkiller]

since D1 no longer exists, we might as well just move everyone down a division and D9 would be D8 lol. but

[Josemba]

Manip

[WinterIsPretty]

ET, kane will be the only one in div 9 tho

[PaperclipGames]

Originally Posted by klimtkiller

since D1 no longer exists, we might as well just move everyone down a division and D9 would be D8 lol. but

D1 no longer exists? What? If that is so, then shifting everyone down one division is the only thing that makes sense to me honestly.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by PaperclipGames

D1 no longer exists? What? If that is so, then shifting everyone down one division is the only thing that makes sense to me honestly.

D1 still exists, however, he is only saying that because there was no D1 participants in this years Official Tournament.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by katanaeyegaming

This was going to happen eventually. What's the cutoff though?

For now, probably 107 would be the start of D9.

There should be some normalisation of leaderboard division boundaries after the OT to make the progression of level gaps more natural (i.e. there shouldnt be more levels in division X than in X-1). Velo had decided some boundaries during a discussion we had; his list respected that concept.

So for D9, if you look at D7 that one has 7 levels (94 to 100). D8 being 101 to 106 would be 6 levels for example, leaving D9 as the only exception from 107 to 113/114 (likely 115-116 when most hard content gets released). There is literally enough of a gap to the very top players to justify (in theory) a D10 (starting at like 113), however we dont make divisions for 2-3 people and the game lacks content to justify that too.

[sff_writer_dan]

Will the lower divisions be adjusted too? I'd suggested something like

D1 00-30 (31)
D2 31-50 (20)
D3 51-62 (12)
D4 63-72 (10)
D5 73-82 (10)
D6 83-92 (10)
D7 93-101 (9)
D8 102+

A while ago, with the goal of making the divisions be smaller or at least not larger as you moved up the divisions. D3 being 9 skill ratings big and D5 being 14 just really made no sense except from a perspective of placing the divisions around the player list to make the number of PLAYERS in each division get smaller, which is sort of the backwards way to go around it when we don't have a system where people gain ranking at the expense of others losing ranking.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

D1 still exists, however, he is only saying that because there was no D1 participants in this years Official Tournament.

There were definitely D1 participants in the OT. There were just too few, combined with not enough low level songs, to split low level players into 2 divisions. At the start of the OT, there were players as low as Skill rating 7, 10, 12 and 16 in division "2" along with players as high as skill rating 51. So the "low division" ended up being basically "Everybody at 51 and under" so the dozen or so people under 30 were sort of hooped from the get-go.

There is literally enough of a gap to the very top players to justify (in theory) a D10 (starting at like 113), however we dont make divisions for 2-3 people and the game lacks content to justify that too.

Do you think this problem gets solved by just finally making completely explicit the lack of connection between "Division on the leaderboard" and "Division placement in the OT"?

Like, creating D10 for the people over 113 isn't forcing you to add a D10 to the OT and put only the D10 people into it with 8 songs just for them. The division placement in OTs should be the thing shaped around the players who sign up to create the most balanced tournament in terms of players per division and skill rating range per division. There's really not much difference between a 58 and 59 player, so creating this gulf between them for official competition seems very weird compared to putting 50s in with 10s and 69s in with 82s rather than looking at "Just the subset of people who signed up for the tournament" and splitting them up in a vacuum.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by sff_writer_dan

Will the lower divisions be adjusted too? I'd suggested something like

D1 00-30 (31)
D2 31-50 (20)
D3 51-62 (12)
D4 63-72 (10)
D5 73-82 (10)
D6 83-92 (10)
D7 93-101 (9)
D8 102+

A while ago, with the goal of making the divisions be smaller or at least not larger as you moved up the divisions. D3 being 9 skill ratings big and D5 being 14 just really made no sense except from a perspective of placing the divisions around the player list to make the number of PLAYERS in each division get smaller, which is sort of the backwards way to go around it when we don't have a system where people gain ranking at the expense of others losing ranking.

Do you think this problem gets solved by just finally making completely explicit the lack of connection between "Division on the leaderboard" and "Division placement in the OT"?

Like, creating D10 for the people over 113 isn't forcing you to add a D10 to the OT and put only the D10 people into it with 8 songs just for them. The division placement in OTs should be the thing shaped around the players who sign up to create the most balanced tournament in terms of players per division and skill rating range per division. There's really not much difference between a 58 and 59 player, so creating this gulf between them for official competition seems very weird compared to putting 50s in with 10s and 69s in with 82s rather than looking at "Just the subset of people who signed up for the tournament" and splitting them up in a vacuum.

You essentially reached the same conclusion that I reached, so most of what you say I agree with ^^ Let me address this point by point.

For the division distribution you suggested, I am personally 100% ok with it. I dont think it's the same exact one Velo had ended up with, but it follows the same principles. I think if we wanted to make it even more relevant to how skill gains work, we could make it so the gaps are only decreasing (never equal), but that's a nit pick imo.

For the distinction between leaderboards division (LB div) and official tournament division (OT div), there has been people who voiced their concern regarding the confusion that it creates. I really do not want to step on Goldstinger's toes here so I'd prefer if he took the lead on a solution to this whenever he feels like it's a good time to do so.

Finally, regarding a D10, I think that although it would make sense with the normalisation of the ranges, the general opinion isn't favorable for LB divs that are that incredibly small. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I think it's fair to start by building up D9 first (which includes unlockables, tokens, usergroup, leaderboard name and color, etc) before we even think about a D10. Making these divisions meaningful outside of just a different section of the leaderboards gives proper incentive to reach it, and therefore makes the division less trivial to the rest of the community.