12th Official Tournament

[V-Ormix]

I don't think they released the strangprogram v0 when they did with the intent to spite people who were already eliminated - and you probably don't think that either I'd imagine.

attempting to add excitement later isn't guilty of error imo but would of been more wreckless for example if they said "oh yah you'll win this" and then they like, downgraded the prize to a lesser token or said here have half the credits we mentioned at the start.

edit: sorry for the the pile on magda :v I c aj and kayla posting next to each other in more than one way :P but just now im realizing the potential shit storm you mentioned can be very entertaining and thus the real reason for you're complaint (:<?

nate is a robot what is 31 on bike altho he might improve before this round is over

[psychoangel691]

I can't turn back time and change what's already done. To me, it was fun added excitement that to my knowledge people enjoyed. There were other prizes that were added before the top 8 as well that people could have strived for, such as the necklace. So I really didn't think it was a big deal.

If others have an issue with surprises being added I'd like them to voice it too, because frankly I really like having them and if the majority is okay with it I'd like to still do them in the future. But if that many people are pissed off then I wont.

[V-Ormix]

oh dang so its a debate between who's better and who quantifies their time worthy of it being spent on the game - the objective of one side is not to waste time while the other will gladly give it to achieve status or feel like they broke even :u

interesting stuff to think about after having played so long but never really having thought about :v

edit: so morally speaking the harder you work the better outcome you should be able to deserve?? I'll stop budding in now :v

editv2: OH but people who compete for raw competitions in theory, the prizes don't matter to them as much. More like icing on a cake... the plot line thickens in subsequence.

editv3: my personal conclusion is that the mainstream player would be more driven to win a prize while unironically the more capable person of doing it naturally has the experience already to care less given their imagination...

[Charu]

At the end of the day, it's just a meme chart (sort of).

[V-Ormix]

I remember regretting not trying harder to push to round 4 cause I played the round so late in the week - but that was more of a pride thing and unforeseen reinstatement to D7 but I felt humble to be remembered as a 'D7' player.

All and all I made it as far as I did last time lmao and at no point did prizes even reach my attention but that's coming from me personally.

The last time I was prize hungry was when vrofl was 500 mill in a day :O

edit: also I remember getting top 5 in d6 one year after having had vrofl already but didnt know till the tourney was long over that oh yah vrofl is a top 8 thing guess I forgot

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by V-Ormix

I remember regretting not trying harder to push to round 4 cause I played the round so late in the week - but that was more of a pride thing and unforeseen reinstatement to D7 but I felt humble to be remembered as a 'D7' player.

All and all I made it as far as I did last time lmao and at no point did prizes even reach my attention but that's coming from me personally.

The last time I was prize hungry was when vrofl was 500 mill in a day :O

edit: also I remember getting top 5 in d6 one year after having had vrofl already but didnt know till the tourney was long over that oh yah vrofl is a top 8 thing guess I forgot

I was personally especially motivated this tournament after being told that I didn't belong in D8 and was initially in it to simply receive perks. So I decided to channel that negativity and turn it into an absolutely ridiculous skillboost that was probably overdue for quite some time. I'm technically not D8 as far as Etterna goes, but I'm definitely able to handle some shit that I wasn't able to when this tournament started. It's nice to have an appreciation for some of the stuff that I wasn't able to play before.

Competition can bring out the best in people.

Back when I crafted most of Undici for the previous tournament, I made a lot of decisions on what I felt was theoretically possible by the top level players who were still competing. I tested everything on 0.9x rate and determined that if I was able to essentially keep up and handle it, that it would probably be effective as a final for that tournament. It worked fairly well given not only the score spread for the tournament, but also my ability to actually keep up with it now compared to before. I gave Undici a try during the Extratone Firestorm round and actually held a SDG up to the 12th note jacks that begins the final section - and when isolating that final section out alone when warm, I was able to get teens on it. Theoretically - this means a run where everything goes together might yield somewhere in the 30s in goods.

... I'm not quite ready to find that out at the moment though with the osu!mania world cup going on. I don't want to taint my accuracy there with FFR's timing windows here, ahaha

EDIT: @ previous discussion because I realized a post was made in direction to me: I legitimately don't care at this point. Nothing changes - you didn't need to deconstruct anything further - my opinion's not changing either. It's still going to come down to the fact there were other prizes to shoot for later in the tournament that would have made you eligible for the token had you not known the tokens existed in the first place and chose not to go for those. You settled - nothing is going to change that and arguing about it isn't changing my opinion about the fact that you were lazy/complacent. Seeing the minimal amount of plays made also doesn't help your case for me. I'm not gonna fixate on this, and I'll reiterate: I'm not targeting you, I'm targeting everyone who has this mindset, because that's how I feel.

[DarknessXoXLight]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I can't turn back time and change what's already done. To me, it was fun added excitement that to my knowledge people enjoyed. There were other prizes that were added before the top 8 as well that people could have strived for, such as the necklace. So I really didn't think it was a big deal.

If others have an issue with surprises being added I'd like them to voice it too, because frankly I really like having them and if the majority is okay with it I'd like to still do them in the future. But if that many people are pissed off then I wont.

Okay like, surprises midway through are one thing. I see the value in adding excitement in that method, sure. But when the prizes that are added are direct content for the game that will remain inaccessible for the time being, that's the frustrating part. Knowing the schedule for a tournament allows you to plan when to play and how much effort is worth putting in because you see the prize pool, you see your competition, you have a general idea of where you can get to. I think it would be more fair for the prizes that get added in midway through or whatever to not be correlated with additional content for the game itself, and quite restrictive at that. What's done is done and I'm not asking for a change but going forward I think it would be kinder to players to disclose such content from the start.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

@ bolded statement: bold of you to assume that literally no one else in this tournament falls in the same situation.

As far as the rest: there's still no one else to blame but yourself for the laziness, because at the end of the day, guess what: if you would have put in the effort instead of worrying about top 8 and there being "nothing else", you would have gotten a more favorable placement and still gotten what you wanted (and likely deserved).

If you had the capability to push forward, you should have. You barely put any effort into recording attempts through just about anything in this tournament and as a result, likely didn't do anything to really figure out how to improve your scores in an optimal manner - you got eliminated and got the result you deserved.

As I said before: this complaining is coming in bad faith. Put more effort next time and apply yourself.

EDIT: changed full attempts to recorded attempts because that's what I meant

Apparently I need to deconstruct this further. Some players quite frankly couldn't give less of a shit about their final placement in the tournament. So when you say I could have pushed further and gotten a more favorable placement, that alone means absolutely nothing to me. It would have been through sheer coincidence that I would have received something worthwhile to me personally but only on the basis that it wasn't disclosed until that late in the tournament. You can harp on players should play to the best of their abilities regardless all you want. Apparently you can't see that there's a direct correlation between time invested and what the prospective rewards would be for that player. Players that are incentivized by competition alone, like you, exist. This is common knowledge. Players that don't care about competition and are more motivated by prizes, especially ones that result in additional game content, exist. Saying that the latter mindset shouldn't exist is absurd, not everyone takes this game as seriously as you but would still enjoy competing for these types of prizes.

[-paexaea-]

I still dont understand the vrofl thing. Is it for clout, because I literally only played it once. Who fucking cares about vrofl lmao

[V-Ormix]

vrofl is for me a historical thing cause I had played it years ago when it was public for only one day and at the time had never seen some thing so difficult lmao

really more of a ha ha nostalgic wtf arrow difficulty feeling vibe idk

[Sanjixcon]

man the d6 songs in rounds 5-7 were way harder lol

[MixMasterLar]

Hell yeah this is starting to get exciting again

[V-Ormix]

yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by V-Ormix

yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U

I started off pretty poorly. 14 people made it to round 3 after a cumulative round 1/round 2 qualifier. I got 13th.

[V-Ormix]

yah but that's when I'd say the games to hard and do some thing else lmao

[awein999]

i tried in this tournament to the best of my ability but i didn't actively put the time in to train. i would have trained *harder* if i knew about the prizes. assessing blame to anyone for not trying as hard as they can no matter what is not a realistic mindset because not everyone is motivated by the same things.

in the end it's not that big of a deal thank you for running the tournament. i just think coming out and saying it's our fault if we aren't always investing everything we can no matter what in the tournament is irrationally defensive.

[Swedcxzaq]

Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Swedcxzaq

Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.

Well I'm glad at least one person gets it, lol.


Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.

I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.

The tokens aren't OT exclusive........

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I didn't have to worry about it mid-tournament. I WANTED to surprise people, and most people vocally had enjoyed it up until now, lol.

Oh, I took the earlier quote to mean that you were worrying about securing prizes after starting.