A n00bies guide to emo and screamo music

[RB_IcePh0enix]

First off, no emo flaming. This is not a thread about emo people or goths or anything like that, this is about a certain genre of music.

Secondly, screamo is a type of emo music wether you believe me or not, and emo is a type of punk music. This thread's purpose is to help you better understand emo music. So why am I doing this? There are two reason:
1. I have seen so many people misuse emo and screamo and it really ticks me off.
2. I like this type of music and I would like to spread the love .

Emo

Emo started in 1984 when the band Rites of Spring were formed. Their roots were from hardcore punk music, but they was something that set them apart fromt he other punk bands in the scene. The singer - Guy Picciotto - used a very different style of vocals and lyrics. His vocals still maintaned the out of breath, yelling punk style vocals, but often times his voice would just break down into an emotion, throated moan type yell. Around the same time, in the ashes of punk band Minor Threat came another new band called Embrace. Ian MacKayes vocals and lyrics were similar to Guy's (and they later went on to form legendary punk band Fugazi). These bands, along with other band that were inspired and had a similar sound were called emocore.

I'm not completely sure how emocore developed into the indie emo style there was in the 90's so this next paragraph may not seem quite as accurate but I'll try the best I can.

The scene continued to develop, and eventually the term emo began to refer to many of the indie rock bands of the 90's. Bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas Is the Reason, and The Get Up Kids were among these indie emo bands.

List of Emo Bands
1.6 Band
American Football*
Anasarca
Angel Hair
Beefeater
Bells On Trike
Birthmark
Boy's Life
Braid
Cap'n Jazz*
Car vs Driver
Christie Front Drive
Chune
Clikatat Ikatowi
Coasts
Cursive*
Dag Nasty
Decembers Architects
Drive Like Jehu*
Elliott
Embrace*
Ethel Meserve
Evergreen
everyoned
Fire Party
Floodgate
Friend/Enemy
Fuel
The Get Up Kids*
Ghosts and Vodka
Giant's Chair
The Gloria Record
Gray Matter
The Good Life
Heroin*
I Hate Myself*
Jasemine
Jawbreaker (arguably)*
Jejune
Joan of Arc
Julia
Knapsack
Love of Everything
Make Believe
Maritime
Maximillian Colby
M.I.J.
Mineral
Monument
Moss Icon*
Nation of Ulysses
Native Nod
Noyes
One Last Wish
the One Up Downstairs
Ordination Of Aaron
Owls
Owltian Mia
Penfold
The Pine
Policy Of Three
Pop Unknown
The Promise Ring*
Rain
Rainer Maria
The Republic Of Freedom Fighters
Rites of Sping*
Samiam
Sam Zurick
September
Sheryl's Magnetic Aura
Shotmaker
Sky Corvair
Sleepytime Trio
Small Brown Bike
Still Life
Street Smart Cyclist
Soulside
The Summer We Went West
Sunny Day Real Estate*
Texas is the Reason*
Vermont
Vitreous Humor

Q: So I'm new to emo and have no idea where to start. What do I do?
A: Listen to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMkH6xi6-Og
If you like it, get the album Diary by Sunny Day Real Estate. Then proceed to check out the band I put an asterick next to.

Q: I don't like these bands, is there something heavier I can listen to?
A: Read the screamo section .

Q: Where can I get a more in depth explanation of emo?
A: www.fourfa.com

Bands that are not emo
My Chemical Romance
AFI
Senses Fail
Fall Out Boy
Dashboard Confessional
Panic At the Disco
Simple Plan
The Used


Emo Violence aka Screamo
To be honest, wikipedia has a great explanation so I'm just going to use that:

Screamo is a musical genre which evolved from emo and hardcore punk in the early 1990s. "Emo" and "screamo" are essentially meant to describe the same style of music, changing with the progression of bands and fans. Characteristic of the genre are "loud-to-soft" (sometimes chaotic) dynamics, harmonized guitars with fast-paced riffs and twinkly melodic breaks, frantic/abrasive shouting or screaming, angry/abstract/introspective lyrics, low-end production, and exceptionally energetic live shows. Screamo bands also tend to bury the vocals in with the other instruments and use more arpeggiated progressions, dynamic and time changes. Breakdowns in screamo songs are often slower and quieter than in other genres, though there is a tendency of still screaming during the soft parts.
-wikipedia

Remember, screamo did come from emo and it is a part of emo.

List of Screamo bands
1000 Travels Of Jawaharlal
1905
37 Seconds Of Happiness
80:85
A Fine Boat, That Coffin!
A Silhouette
Adonis Battlefield
After School Knife Fight
Amanda Woodward
Ampere*
Angel Hair
Anomie
Antioch Arrow
The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra
Archives
Ariadne's Thread
Army Of Kashyyyk*
Arroyo Secco
Asthma Attaq
The Assistant
Aussitôt Mort
Belle Epoque
Beneath Low Flying Planes
The Birds are Spies, They Report to the Trees
Boa Narrow
Book of Dead Names
Bravo ****ing Bravo
Burned Out Bright
Cassettes On Fire
The Caution Children
Cease Upon The Capitol*
Celeste
Circle Takes The Square*
City Of Caterpillar*
Clikatat Ikatowi
Clocks Are Devils
Cold Like December
Comadre
Combatwoundedveteran
The Corta Vita
Cowboys Are Indians
Current
Daitro
Danse Macabre
Daniel Striped Tiger
Dawn Treader
Dear Diary I Seem To Be Dead
Devices
Dick Chesney
Die, Emperor! Die!
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep
Dominic
Don Martin 3
Dot Flash Line
Eaves
Efra
Encyclopedia of American Traitors
End of a Year
Envy*
Et Tu Brute
Ethel Meserve
Evergreen
Fire Team Charlie
The Flying Worker!
Followed By 37 Seconds Of Happiness
Frail
Funeral Diner*
Gantz
Get ****ed
Gillian Carter
Goodbye Blue Monday
Gospel*
Guyver One
Hassan I Sabbah
Helen Of Troy
Her Breath on Glass
Heroin*
Histories
Hollow Jan
Honeywell
Hot Cross*
I Create
I Hate Myself
I Have Dreams
Indian Summer* (arguably just emo)
I Robot
I Would Set Myself On Fire For You
I Wrote Haikus About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook
In First Person
Jairus
Jerome's Dream
Joshua Fit For Battle*
Julia
June Paik
Kaospilot
The Khayembii Communique
Kidcrash
The Kite Fighting Society
The Kodan Armada
Kwakiutl Cannibal Society
L'antietam
La Quiete
Ladders
Lautrec
Lickgoldensky
Life At These Speeds
Lion Of The North
Loma Preita*
Look Back and Laugh
Louise Cyphre
Love Like...Electrocution*
Love Lost But Not Forgotten
Make Me
The Map Says We're ****ed
Marat
Maths
Maximillian Colby
Merel
Men As Trees
Mesa Verde
Mihai Edrisch
Mohinder
My Life With The Spaniard
Native Nod
Navies
Navio Forge
Neil Perry
Nervous Light of Sunday
Olive Tree
One Eyed God Prophecy
Orchid*
Off Minor*
Pg. 99*
Pianos Became The Teeth
Please Inform the Captain This Is A Hijack
Policy of 3
Portrait
Portraits Of Past
Puritan
Pyramids*
Raein
The Red Scare
Resi North
Reversal Of Man
Robots Don't Cry
Rockets and Bluelights
Ryerose
Saddest Day
The Saddest Landscape
Saetia*
Sailboats
Sed Non Satiata
Seeing Means More
She Died Real Pretty
Shikari*
Shout Signals
Sinaloa
Sinking Steps...Rising Eyes
Sleepytime Trio
Someplace To Hide
Song of Zarathustra
Spirit of Versailles
Steeples
Still Life
Storm the Bastille
Strawman Fallacy
Suis La Lune
Swing Kids
Takaru
Take Down Your Art
Ten Grand
Textbook Traitors
This Computer Kills
To Dream Of Autumn
Trainwreck
Transistor Transistor
Tristan Tzara
Trophy Scars
Twelve Hour Turn
Ultra Dolphins
Under A Dying Sun
Union Of Uranus
Usurp Synapse
Versoma
The Vidablue
The Walls You've Built
We'll Dance Like Ghost On Rooftops
Welcome The Plague Year
What Price, Wonderland?
Wolverines
Wolves
Words Mean Nothing
Wow, Owls!
Xochtil
Yage
Yaphet Kotto
Yosarrian Is Drowning
You And I

Q: I'm new to screamo, where do I start?
A: Listen to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHQP...eature=related

Q: How can I know which bands are emo or not?
A: If it's been played on MTV there's almost no chance it's emo. Watch this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNw_MpW6aaI

Q: Ok, so what albums should I get first?
A: I recommend you get these albums:
Hot Cross - Cryonics
Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
Saetia - A Retrospective

Q: What the hell is skramz?
A: It's just a silly nickname for screamo.

Bands that aren't screamo
UnderOATH
From First to Last
Chiodos
As I Lay Dying
The Devil Wears Prada

(if you've heard it on MTV it's probably not screamo)


Other questions:

Q: Can you recommend me some emo or screamo bands?
A: Sure ! Just ask what you're looking for and I can probably hook you up.

Q: Where can I umm... somehow obtain some emo or screamo music?
A: Just shoot me a PM .



Sites I used to make this thread:
www.fourfa.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum...=652987&page=1
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum...=796903&page=1

[sjoecool1991]

I know of a "screamo" band that is progressive.
The only screamo I really ever liked.

Between The Buried And Me.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Dude, did you even read the thread? BTBAM kick ass but they are no where near screamo, they're metal.

screamo =/= screaming vocals

Edit: Dear lord, Scary Kids Scaring Kids is not screamo.

[EnR]

Go post this on www.rithum.com, synth's site that's all about music.

[sjoecool1991]

Originally Posted by RB_IcePh0enix

Dude, did you even read the thread? BTBAM kick ass but they are no where near screamo, they're metal.

screamo =/= screaming vocals

Edit: Dear lord, Scary Kids Scaring Kids is not screamo.

Um, they scream.


A lot.

Just not the whole song.

Technically, they are Progressive Metal.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Emo isn't a type of music, why it's still considered a genre is still a mystery to me.

Second of in the "Screamo" section you forgot LoveHateHero and Scary Kids Scaring Kids. As I Lay Dying is metal (Thrash) so why you'd throw it in the none Emo section is beyond me. My Chemical romance is Rock so why it's here is also beyond me.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Thanks EnR I just did that.

To joe:
screamo =/= screaming vocals

That means screamo does not equal screaming vocals. And screamo doesn't have to scream the whole song. Between the Buried and Me are great, but Progressive Metal a lot different then screamo. Check out some of the bands on this list and you'll see what I mean.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Emo isn't a type of music, why it's still considered a genre is still a mystery to me.

Emo is a genre, even though it's not a very popular one.
read:
www.fourfa.com
or just actually read the first post

Second of in the "Screamo" section you forgot LoveHateHero and Scary Kids Scaring Kids. As I Lay Dying is metal (Thrash) so why you'd throw it in the none Emo section is beyond me. My Chemical romance is Rock so why it's here is also beyond me.

Scary Kids Scaring Kids and LoveHateHero aren't screamo. Listen to some of the bands on the list. I put As I Lay Dying in the non screamo bands section. I also said My Chemical Romance are not emo.

edit: sorry for the double post

[TheRapingDragon]

(I had other words here but ya, ignore this part).

Still, nice work on writing lots of words that I sort of just skimmed through. I'm not interested enough in the music I guess.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Originally Posted by TheRapingDragon

(I had other words here but ya, ignore this part).

Still, nice work on writing lots of words that I sort of just skimmed through. I'm not interested enough in the music I guess.

Oh that's fine man. It does take a lot of time and patience to get into a certain genre of music.

[fido123]

Quick question...why do you guys find the sound of sombody screaming with a course throut plesent? IMO people listen to this to seem hardcore and/or don't know what real music is and just listens to what their friends/media listens to.

[HK_pjpaveloffga]

Q: So I'm new to emo and have no idea where to start. What do I do?
A: Listen to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMkH6xi6-Og
If you like it, get the album Diary by Sunny Day Real Estate. Then proceed to check out the band I put an asterick next to.

Rofl i totally thought that was gonna be the emo song...

[fido123]

Btw, I just saw the video posted above me...how is that any diffrent than any other rock?

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Originally Posted by fido123

Quick question...why do you guys find the sound of sombody screaming with a course throut plesent? IMO people listen to this to seem hardcore and/or don't know what real music is and just listens to what their friends/media listens to.

Because it's emotional and adds intensity to the music. I listen to music with and without screaming and I believe both types are completely acceptable forms of music.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Originally Posted by fido123

Btw, I just saw the video posted above me...how is that any diffrent than any other rock?

You have to actually know your way around genres to understand what I'm going to say. The guitars are very post-hardcore'ish and the song maintains a strong loud soft dynamic. Compare that song to a song by normal rock bands like Velvet Revolver or Three Days Grace.

Edit: once again, sorry for the double post. It won't let me copy and past quotes.

[TheRapingDragon]

Originally Posted by RB_IcePh0enix

Oh that's fine man. It does take a lot of time and patience to get into a certain genre of music.

You don't seem to understand. I enjoy a plethora of music which includes all sub-genres of Progressive, Metal, Classical, Jazz, Instrumental, etc etc.

I don't like "emo", I feel it's a very substandard genre of music with no outstanding merits or reasons to listen to them.

I've heard more emotion from instrumental bands than anything in the "emo" category. Not to mention I've heard better screaming from 12 year olds than anything I've ever heard from "screamo".

It has nothing to do with me needing patience or time, I have plenty of both which has let me get into a lot of different musical tastes. That's entirely my point, that after all that time I still can find no redeeming qualities in the music you've talked endlessly about in your original post.

[RB_IcePh0enix]

Originally Posted by TheRapingDragon

You don't seem to understand. I enjoy a plethora of music which includes all sub-genres of Progressive, Metal, Classical, Jazz, Instrumental, etc etc.

I don't like "emo", I feel it's a very substandard genre of music with no outstanding merits or reasons to listen to them.

I've heard more emotion from instrumental bands than anything in the "emo" category. Not to mention I've heard better screaming from 12 year olds than anything I've ever heard from "screamo".

It has nothing to do with me needing patience or time, I have plenty of both which has let me get into a lot of different musical tastes. That's entirely my point, that after all that time I still can find no redeeming qualities in the music you've talked endlessly about in your original post.

I gave a bit of a history so people will know I actually know what I'm talking about and to educate them. I'm fine with you not liking a type of music, but saying it isn't emotional or the screamers aren't talented when I can almost guarantee you haven't even listened to them. I can't respect your opinion when I know you don't even know what you're talking about. And if you do think you know what you're talking about then go ahead, back your **** up.

P.S. I listen to many different kinds of music also.

[Commandersa1]

Originally Posted by RB_IcePh0enix

Because it's emotional and adds intensity to the music. I listen to music with and without screaming and I believe both types are completely acceptable forms of music.

You can only have one emotion with it. Unlike what TheRapingDragon said, those genres have all sorts of emotion in the songs. I might not know a bit of music history like you, but I have listened to a lot of different styles of music.

[fido123]

"Emo" music still sounds like so much rock I've heard before. As TRD said, it has no outstanding merits. Really, people cut rock into to many tiny genres. I can understand why screamo is it's own sub-genre but I honestly can't understand why people enjoy it so in a politically correct way I'm going to call it a prefrance but I'm still sticking with my opinion that people who listen to screamo seriously need to take another look at music/stop trying to give off the "YEAH BITCHZ IMMA HARDCORE YO" persona.

btw...The history behind the music does not define a genre. Playing music in a diffrent style does.

[TheRapingDragon]

Rather than get into any huge argument, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

You give me a song that you feel has a good amount of emotion and I will listen to it fairly and without bias. Though I then would guess that I could give you at least 10 songs in return that would top it, emotion wise, (in my own opinion of course).