TWG CXLIX Infractions and general OOTC stuff

[T-Force]

Originally Posted by YoshL

iirc his wife didnt leave him? idk lol w/e

I think she left, but came back as I recall rzr said they had talked and sorted stuff out. Dunno anything else beyond that though.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I've talked to both of them, and in Ben's case, its not the first time we've talked
Zenith hasn't responded

I acknowledge the ban and accept if that's what you were looking for

As for length that's up to you, I don't really care how long or short it is.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I acknowledge the ban and accept if that's what you were looking for

As for length that's up to you, I don't really care how long or short it is.

Hope everything ended up being ok, I remember you saying something about irl stuff so yeah.

[thesunfan]

Bumping just to let you all know what's been going on; I should've posted this earlier.

Again, at Haku's request, Haku has been "permanently" banned from TWG. The reason that permanently is in quotes is because the period of time will be as long as it takes for Haku to give either me or another TWG mod a suitable reason to unban them. As of right now, I believe that Haku has not learned their lesson, and after talking to them, and having other people approach me with what Haku has told them, I still haven't gotten a straight answer from them regarding their reasons for cheating in the previous game, or anything that I can observe, point at and say "because of this I think that if Haku was allowed to play again, they would do so with a sense of integrity." Should it become apparent to someone that this is not the case, Haku will be allowed to play once again. I do hope to see this happen.

Just trying to be transparent.

[_Zenith_]

Did you put a number on my ban? I'm curious as to how long, that's all.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Bumping just to let you all know what's been going on; I should've posted this earlier.

Again, at Haku's request, Haku has been "permanently" banned from TWG.

I'm still feeling strange over seeing my own request over my own ban get accepted, but I won't make you repeat yourself over this. I agree with it.

The reason that permanently is in quotes is because the period of time will be as long as it takes for Haku to give either me or another TWG mod a suitable reason to unban them. Should it become apparent to someone that this is not the case, Haku will be allowed to play once again. I do hope to see this happen.

Note that even with a suitable reason, there should be some ban length regardless. I do not currently have a "suitable reason" to get myself unbanned btw.

As of right now, I believe that Haku has not learned their lesson, and after talking to them, and having other people approach me with what Haku has told them, I still haven't gotten a straight answer from them regarding their reasons for cheating in the previous game, or anything that I can observe, point at and say "because of this I think that if Haku was allowed to play again, they would do so with a sense of integrity."

I don't believe there was much thinking involved as to "why" we cheated. It was really just a chain of spontaneous reactions such as "whoa, you know this OGI?", "I know this too!", "whoa you're that role?", "hey, I'm that role", "think we can solve the game if we team?" etc. it wasn't premeditated cheating, but it certainly build up over time as the game progressed until the report.

Why did it take so long to report and explain things?

I had a different level of "cheating tolerance" than the rules themselves. I was mostly naive with OoT scenarios and what to do about them at that point. I looked at our chat from a subjective pov instead of thinking objectively. I wanted to believe I could trust what he was doing because he didn't stop me and have been playing games since a long time. I figured if he didn't tell me "that is wrong", it's because it was still fair to some extend. I obviously ended up changing my opinion @ report myself. I did that way too late compared to when I should have done it. That is wrong as well. I also didn't realize I had to tell a mod when I knew things that I shouldn't know so they could replace me. I figured I could act like I didn't knew because I wouldn't be able to justify an OGI in-game, but it definitely affected my game after all and I should have quit for that reason as well.

tl;dr: At some point, we literally ignored the implications of "OoT: Off" in hope to get an edge over the game and that is unacceptable. When I started realizing what I was doing, it was already too late and it took me a while before deciding to report because I was part of the problem. I also didn't want to "ruin the friendship" with another player over this and I was also feeling like it was counter-productive to report myself to get myself banned.

What am I concluding from it now?

- I have to learn to "stop" and ask directly the mod/host the very moment I think something may be wrong.
- I need to keep an eye on my own attitude, not only for myself, but also for the others.
- I definitely needed a break to distance myself from the game and think properly about my own actions.

I would like to apologize again for this incident. It seems like I do stupid things if I let myself get distracted by my own curiosity. What started with simple questions to learn things turned into not only testing boundaries, but also clearly crossing them as well.

As for "playing with a sense of integrity". I feel like I have the tools to do that properly now, but I think it's still too early to throw me back into a game. I've been quite salty lately because I'm obviously not happy with this ban.

This post is probably more for myself than others. I'm not really expecting anything out of it. I'm just trying to summarize what happened fmpov. That may sound unbelievable, but I'm still upset at how I could do what I did.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Did you put a number on my ban? I'm curious as to how long, that's all.

5 games, so 4 more after the undertale game ends

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

5 games, so 4 more after the undertale game ends

Solid

[choof]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

huge ass post

we get it dude, you're sorry for what you did and regret it immensely and we're 110% sure that you're okay with your ban

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by choof

we're 110% sure that you're okay with your ban

I'm not okay with my ban.
I'm not okay that my permaban request got accepted.
I'm not okay with watching all these games happen where I can't do anything anymore.
I want to do something.
I want to prove that I'm worth playing with.
I want to show that I care.
I don't want to make long ass posts that no one wants to read.
Everyone just want to play and have a good time. I'm no different here.

[choof]

then go play on a different site

[Hakulyte]

Already did so, but it's just not the same as playing with all of you.

[botchi246]

i guess we do have pretty good games