Would it be fair to call this a 14?

**Goldenwind** · 09-14-2009, 12:14 PM

The following is considered a 14:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrzWp3BTiM

I'm thinking about changing some of the triplets around so they're not so crossovery.
Would you still consider it a 14 if I did so?

Stats are 191BPM, 2315 steps (166 jumps) over 6 minutes.

Azafreak · 09-14-2009, 04:46 PM

hmm...MAYBE 12-13 ( i dont see the whole stepchart ) but its look pretty easy BUT for the time..6 minutes is really really long.
oh..its newblue

**Oni-Paranoia** · 09-14-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Azafreak

hmm...MAYBE 12-13 ( i dont see the whole stepchart ) but its look pretty easy BUT for the time..6 minutes is really really long.
oh..its newblue

That is nowhere near a fu*king 12 how stupid can you be!?

Easy-Mid 14

Azafreak · 09-14-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

That is nowhere near a fu*king 12 how stupid can you be!?

Easy-Mid 14

i knew some 12 that was really fcking harder than this.

Izzy · 09-14-2009, 05:37 PM

There isn't really a definite difficulty chart. There is no way to accurately judge it to everyones likings.

**smartdude1212** · 09-14-2009, 05:38 PM

then call it a 15 8)

**Emo_Saur_** · 09-14-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smartdude1212

then call it a 15 8)

Why not make it a 4? Piss people off big time.

**~Zero~** · 09-14-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy

There isn't really a definite difficulty chart. There is no way to accurately judge it to everyones likings.

This is true, but i think everyone judges difficulty based on the original itg charts. So if a file is harder than Pandy its 13> etc... Even though some people may not be able to beat Pandy its still a good indicator of whats "considered" a 13 by the Roxor Company lol.

**TC_Halogen** · 09-14-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzy

There isn't really a definite difficulty chart. There is no way to accurately judge it to everyones likings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azafreak

i knew some 12 that was really fcking harder than this.

Play pad. Bye.

It's a 14.

**Goldenwind** · 09-14-2009, 07:13 PM

It's a 14 as is. I'm pretty solid on that.
I too have seen 12s that are harder than this. It's those charts that are misrated.

Uber Rave is a good example of something potentially misrated. Sure, the beginning's easy, but people will pass 13s long before they can finish that chart. Holy Orders is rated 11, but should be 14, maybe 15 (I don't play it much, so I can't say, but I know it's 14 or over).

If I revised the crossovers in Industrial Strength, I'd wonder if it'd be worth calling a 14 anymore. A 13 at lowest. I really like it, as it pushes me just to complete, but is good enough that I can actually complete it every time.

The crossovers bug me, but I don't want to make it lose its "oomph" by doing so.

And what Halogen was saying is right. Pad is different from keyboard, with the MASSIVE difference being endurance. I could probably get over 10,000 combo no problem doing 170BPM 16ths on keyboard, solid. Call it maybe a 13? Sounds fine. It's not that fast, really.

But doing that on pad? HAHA. I couldn't even give it a proper rating, as I can't play charts that hard. 16? 17? I dunno.

In songs like Industrial Strength, stamina is a very limiting factor. Yeah, sure, you can combo 190BPM 16th streams, but can you keep it up, on-and-off, for 6 minutes?

14.

**A2P** · 09-14-2009, 08:04 PM

Definitely a 14 but if it were shorter it would probably be a low-mid 13

just sayin. ps if thats you playing really nice score. keep it up

**Oni-Paranoia** · 09-14-2009, 08:07 PM

Honestly, if you saw a song rated a 12 and it was really really hard, either it is..

A. Index-able KB file
B. Stepper can't rate files
C. A random guess before trying the song

Overall, players such as me and Halogen could call nearly any difficulty up to about 16 without a doubt (even Zero can and he doesn't play pad).

P.s. Izzy, you're an idiot

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Originally Posted by Emo_Saur_

Why not make it a 4? Piss people off big time.

Yea because everyone wouldn't notice the 2200 step count when any legit 4 doesn't have more than 200 steps in it.. or the fact that it's under expert and if the theme on there machine was good, they would see the time length of 6 mins.

**Goldenwind** · 09-14-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A2P

Definitely a 14 but if it were shorter it would probably be a low-mid 13

just sayin. ps if thats you playing really nice score. keep it up

While I can get ~85% on it, that's not me, sadly.

Thanks, though!

Munsie · 09-14-2009, 08:29 PM

Just watched the vid, looks like a pretty fucen hard chart.

**dood gone krazee** · 09-14-2009, 10:28 PM

Just the fact that you can do that at all on pad is amazing to me.

icontrolyourworld · 09-15-2009, 12:19 AM

someone should clarify the foot ratings for each of the most know scales

DCP scale
DDR scale
FFR scale
ITG scale
and so on, with something we can all relate to like death piano as a 15 footer on the dcp scale or something.

**Ghakimx** · 09-15-2009, 03:02 PM

It's long, it's got severe BPM changes, mines, very quick steps, what's not 14+ about it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzy

There isn't really a definite difficulty chart.

Go full combo it.

DaRkLoTuS666 · 09-15-2009, 08:55 PM

Definately a 14

**flash dualist** · 09-16-2009, 08:35 PM

yeah. It deserves to be a 14.

Razer_2mb · 09-20-2009, 06:57 PM

There are lots of parts that go on for an extended period of time that are around 8 or 9 level. It's too inconsistent. I'll admit some parts require a decent amount of stamina to make it through, but that's all the player needs: Stamina. There are breaks in between difficult sections that allow the player to get a breather. The runs are mostly composed of simple patterns.

In my opinion, it could pass off as a 13. The only things backing up it's difficulty are the length of the song and those pretty nasty sections between 3:27 and 4:30. Anyone who frequently plays 13s as regular songs or warm ups isn't going to be too taxed by this, and the stream patterns don't have any curve balls. To me, the crucial element that separates 13s from 14s are complex patterns, but that might be my personal bias from playing PIU where higher difficulties and unusual patterns go hand-in-hand.

09-14-2009, 12:14 PM	#1
Goldenwind FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 762	Would it be fair to call this a 14? The following is considered a 14: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrzWp3BTiM I'm thinking about changing some of the triplets around so they're not so crossovery. Would you still consider it a 14 if I did so? Stats are 191BPM, 2315 steps (166 jumps) over 6 minutes. __________________ They say there's a sun in the sky...

09-14-2009, 04:46 PM	#2
Azafreak Retired Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hell Age: 30 Posts: 759	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? hmm...MAYBE 12-13 ( i dont see the whole stepchart ) but its look pretty easy BUT for the time..6 minutes is really really long. oh..its newblue

09-14-2009, 05:37 PM	#5
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? There isn't really a definite difficulty chart. There is no way to accurately judge it to everyones likings.

09-14-2009, 05:38 PM	#6
smartdude1212 2 is poo Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 6,687	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? then call it a 15 8)

09-14-2009, 07:13 PM	#10
Goldenwind FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 762	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? It's a 14 as is. I'm pretty solid on that. I too have seen 12s that are harder than this. It's those charts that are misrated. Uber Rave is a good example of something potentially misrated. Sure, the beginning's easy, but people will pass 13s long before they can finish that chart. Holy Orders is rated 11, but should be 14, maybe 15 (I don't play it much, so I can't say, but I know it's 14 or over). If I revised the crossovers in Industrial Strength, I'd wonder if it'd be worth calling a 14 anymore. A 13 at lowest. I really like it, as it pushes me just to complete, but is good enough that I can actually complete it every time. The crossovers bug me, but I don't want to make it lose its "oomph" by doing so. And what Halogen was saying is right. Pad is different from keyboard, with the MASSIVE difference being endurance. I could probably get over 10,000 combo no problem doing 170BPM 16ths on keyboard, solid. Call it maybe a 13? Sounds fine. It's not that fast, really. But doing that on pad? HAHA. I couldn't even give it a proper rating, as I can't play charts that hard. 16? 17? I dunno. In songs like Industrial Strength, stamina is a very limiting factor. Yeah, sure, you can combo 190BPM 16th streams, but can you keep it up, on-and-off, for 6 minutes? 14. __________________ They say there's a sun in the sky... Last edited by Goldenwind; 09-14-2009 at 07:58 PM..

09-14-2009, 08:04 PM	#11
A2P FFR Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: nah Age: 34 Posts: 3,127	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? Definitely a 14 but if it were shorter it would probably be a low-mid 13 just sayin. ps if thats you playing really nice score. keep it up

09-14-2009, 08:29 PM	#14
Munsie FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 322	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? Just watched the vid, looks like a pretty fucen hard chart.

09-15-2009, 12:19 AM	#16
icontrolyourworld Enjoy life! Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 4,182	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? someone should clarify the foot ratings for each of the most know scales DCP scale DDR scale FFR scale ITG scale and so on, with something we can all relate to like death piano as a 15 footer on the dcp scale or something. __________________ http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=149106

09-15-2009, 08:55 PM	#18
DaRkLoTuS666 Nobody knows who I am Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Reading, PA Age: 32 Posts: 134	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? Definately a 14

09-16-2009, 08:35 PM	#19
flash dualist u wot m8? Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 33 Posts: 1,225	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? yeah. It deserves to be a 14. __________________ ---C925, overhead--- My Delta-custom noteskin sm3.9/3.95:http://puu.sh/39mwR SM5:http://puu.sh/3abeo My Delta-custom-note noteskin sm3.9/3.95: http://puu.sh/4rw6J SM5: http://puu.sh/4Ra1D

09-20-2009, 06:57 PM	#20
Razer_2mb FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2	Re: Would it be fair to call this a 14? There are lots of parts that go on for an extended period of time that are around 8 or 9 level. It's too inconsistent. I'll admit some parts require a decent amount of stamina to make it through, but that's all the player needs: Stamina. There are breaks in between difficult sections that allow the player to get a breather. The runs are mostly composed of simple patterns. In my opinion, it could pass off as a 13. The only things backing up it's difficulty are the length of the song and those pretty nasty sections between 3:27 and 4:30. Anyone who frequently plays 13s as regular songs or warm ups isn't going to be too taxed by this, and the stream patterns don't have any curve balls. To me, the crucial element that separates 13s from 14s are complex patterns, but that might be my personal bias from playing PIU where higher difficulties and unusual patterns go hand-in-hand.

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