TWG 202 - GAME THREAD

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Lurker's "tone" is good, but intentions are "??"

I do believe lurker has no problem maintaining a good tone even as wolf tho.
Probably just as well as choof does.

I just feels like he asks stuff and then nothing.

+1

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I dont think starcrossed or roundbox are wolfing, they giving off the same tired town vibe to me.

FFA is kinda doing his own thing it seems like, but thats how he usually plays not sure if thats wolfy or not at this point. I might have to crib a read here from someone else

I want more from xel before eod

Same for lurker too i guess

Haku seems ok but i can kick the can down the road a bit till im 100% sure.

Thats where i am so far. 3 town core could be possible by eod depending on how much activity there is.

lurker i want more stuff to follow up that post i answered

I could see "tired town" for rbx but what about star comes across that way
Any specific posts or

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I could see "tired town" for rbx but what about star comes across that way
Any specific posts or

Originally Posted by star-crossed

You keep making comments like you want me to lead, or you are going with the flow with my ideas, and I really feel that I do not have a solid enough foundation for that to be a good idea. I do not even want to make a reads list, because I don't want to give the wolves an ego boost if I town read them

Mostly this post oozed it for me but i mightve let it color my perception too much because checking their posts again its not the same tone as roundbox at all.

I still think the posts feel towny but it's less concrete than what i mentioned before

[flashflash account]

HmmMmMMMMMMmMmmmm

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

They don't need to coast. The pace of the game in general is too slow for a solve.


Too many people need to figure out things about other players. Wolves can do whatever they want here and it won't matter because town needs to up the bar.

Dunno what you are asking for from this post. Dont really know what the pace of the game has to do with solving it other than making posts a lot easier to digest if its slower.

What do you mean "up the bar?"

Do you think the wolf hunting paradigm for town so far is flawed and needs to be changed?

Do you want town to be more towny?

Do you want more solving overall?

Im lost here

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Dunno what you are asking for from this post. Dont really know what the pace of the game has to do with solving it other than making posts a lot easier to digest if its slower.

What do you mean "up the bar?"

Do you think the wolf hunting paradigm for town so far is flawed and needs to be changed?

Do you want town to be more towny?

Do you want more solving overall?

Im lost here

I feel like I don't understand enough who the other players want to vote / town read.


I'm just curious if the same players are mindblocking the same players. FFA / Roundbox 1:1 was interesting to me. I feel like W/W is very unlikely. I would be pretty upset if lurker doesn't flip impostor.


I just hate that I cannot confidently point a #2.

[FreezinIce]

Well you were talking about making a towncore then you are making wolf pairings and trying to use association to find wolves.

I liked the town core idea and i think the rest are, no offense, kind of impossible

The pace of the game isnt what dictates if it can be solved, its information and atm we have very little.

[flashflash account]

I feel like lurker is also the most likely candidate to fit "tonal shift between D1 and the rest of the game"

Maybe this sounds stupid but their interrogations have been narrower in scope imo

[Hakulyte]

tbh Xel is worth keeping on an eye assuming D0 had no wolves and D1 they got the role etc.

I doubt I'll get to post while he's here so, someone else will have to keep track.

[lurker]

why tf yall more active at 1 am that during an actual eod
workin through this now

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by T-Force

VOTE COUNT
Hateandhatred: 3 - Hakulyte (280), star-crossed (320), flashflash account (355)
Hakulyte: 3 - lurker (290), Hateandhatred (316), roundbox (343)
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star-crossed: 1 - bugkid666 (327)
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Did not vote: FreezinIce, XelNya

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to insta.

Will do a quick once over to make sure everything is right.

This is so stupid to look at for me because I'm nearly convinced the entire H&H wagon is town.

I end up with Roundbox / lurker voting me and 2 players not even bothering with EoD.

What a meme. The worst part is the I feel like town is more likely to not even vote.

[flashflash account]

In general I actually feel the opposite
Wolves are less likely to touch the t/t wagons
What about xel (and technically freezin although they simply voted late) makes you think town here? Overall they don't have strong impressions on me

Someone mentioned star/lurker wagons cropping up as misdirection which I thought was lol but I can't remember who brought that up

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

In general I actually feel the opposite
Wolves are less likely to touch the t/t wagons
What about xel (and technically freezin although they simply voted late) makes you think town here? Overall they don't have strong impressions on me

Someone mentioned star/lurker wagons cropping up as misdirection which I thought was lol but I can't remember who brought that up

I mean, if you look at who's controlling the game, I feel like lurker/roundbox makes the ideal battery if they know what everyone are.

Page 15-16 last phase is pretty interesting around where H&H reenter the threads and roundbox town lean lurker for pushing me pmuch for being weird. (which makes sense if you don't play often with me)


Everyone else just feels kind of lost ? Normally that'd feel like a bad thing, but here it feels like it's what everyone else have in common.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Wagon was hate and haku and i wanted to keep haku alive since he usually solves himself for me so i voted hate there (in spirit since i guess phase ends at hard :00 in this game)

Even if i had another person to vote (closest person would be xel but that was just because of him not being around and a brief bit of paranoia), which i didnt but for the sake of argument lets say i did, i wouldnt vote away from the wagons in that situation

something something if your friends were [insert upsetting action here]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Bruh its the same vote post but u doctored it by removing hakus wagon. Lmao

Why not just ask people voting hate to explain themselves rather than post an edited votecount post. Tf is that shit

don't change the subject
i left the count on hate at 3 even though i removed haku from the list of people i wanted to explain themselves for obvious reasons
i felt that it was obvious what i was going for there but at the same time i literally crashed and fell asleep like 10 minutes later

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I was also not convinced by [hate's] read list. There were a lot of generic town reads on it, and I thought it was lacking in personality, other than when talking about Haku's vote on him (which..if the most genuine thing somebody has said is that they think people voting for them is understandable, that is kind of awkward, because a wolf could honestly believe that). The FFA read, seemed like something a wolf could be interested in trying to look for in town players.

okay so like
you have a point in that he literally called everyone slightly town except me (and even gave me benefit of the doubt lmao)
but we also literally have haku, wagon leader, saying that they knew hate had a time crunch and still went through with their afk vote on them
i don't like the last sentence one bit but we'll see what you do about it i guess

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Also, I'll start by saying that I don't think lurker is actually playing this game.

He just keeps asking others to explain stuff and do nothing themselves.

I consider that a problem at this point.

this is rich coming from someone with your activity pattern
i will plainly admit that i spaced out quite a bit and didn't show up as much as i had planned on d1
if you take offense to that idk what to tell you
it doesn't help that none of my questioning led to any actual information i could work with
not that anything was going to shake me off of someone placing votes while afk in a zero phantom game

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I think Roundbox is general is town in terms of commitment to stay up to date with the game.

i sorta disagree with this
278 is just straight up not a good post, it feels really parroty
293 is a fairly basic angle from which to analyze your actions
read list at 305 is pretty meh even if we are in the same mindspace regarding the quebec crossvote and xel
what's annoying about the xel read though is it directly leads into him throwing shade on h&h in 322
like... i'm really hoping he wasn't entertaining the possibility of haku/h&h being imp/imp because that would be ridiculously dangerous for them if it was
eod interaction is boring save pinging xel for inactivity on 351
really ironic considering the wagon on you existed because you voted

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'll be here all night for questions. Please take advantage of it.

unfortunately i have this really dumb biological function i have to partake in called 'sleep'
this reads like a taunt

Originally Posted by star-crossed

About Xel, it disappointed me that he regressed in terms of actually being analytical/game-focused. I also saw from the FFR server that he seems to have played amongus enough to meme about it, so I am not really understanding his setup speculations from that perspective.

this is a good point actually

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Tbh i think if you just vote the least active person today youll probably hit a wolf.

i'm losing confidence in this idea and it's mostly your fault

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I feel like by the end of today ill be able to make a good call on if haku is wolf or town but only if he posts normally and doesnt get bogged down explaining stuff that imo doesnt really matter anymore

so like why not vote them out instead

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Bruh
"Kill me I think it will help town"

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Wolf team being haku/ffa seems possible. Hmmm

oh

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

In general I actually feel the opposite
Wolves are less likely to touch the t/t wagons
What about xel (and technically freezin although they simply voted late) makes you think town here? Overall they don't have strong impressions on me

Someone mentioned star/lurker wagons cropping up as misdirection which I thought was lol but I can't remember who brought that up

I think the main idea here is to kind of freeze the game into a state of "I don't know man" and slowly push wagons on the less active players. (H&H being less active and me missing EoD etc.)

[Hakulyte]

@lurker

I didn't mean activity in terms of playing.

I meant that I'm struggling to figure out who you will town read and wolf read.

[Hakulyte]

As for Roundbox I also agree that I have no business saying he should be town here.

Unfortunately, I'm a bit of a pain and change my mind like 50 times in the span of 5 minutes.

It's probably better to hold on what I post until you're done reading.

[Hakulyte]

Considering you have 2 votes and insta is 4, I will unvote.

I'll try to read what I can before leaving to work. Should be back in around 8 hours and then show up / confirm vote hopefully.

Gotta sleep.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Dont think killing haku is the play at this point

it is way too early to make this decision

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

idk I have roundbox / lurker in mind at this point.

lmao what a twist
i'm wondering how you switched on roundbox that quickly

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

FFA was very likely to flip earlier in this game. I don't have a feeling it was a wolf based on that alone.

?????????

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I dont have 3 people id say are town no matter what yet but i dont think it will take that long to find especially if i actually read posts today since i have no work for the weekend

same for the first half, not same for the second

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Is this a d0 post tho

irrelevant

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Lurker is wolfy

k.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Oh he's not "playing bad", it's more in terms of attempting to solve or help others figure out if he's town or not by posting something that feels helpful.


His posts feels easy to make is all I'll say and leave very little to help figure out what he actually thinks.

the only reason you feel that my posts weren't helpful last phase is that they involved taking you out of it
i thought the situation was in fact easy to analyze
i can understand that getting in the way of your ability to read me

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

My logic here is that I vote first the wolf profile that has the highest % chance to be a wolf.

i eagerly await your vote at 3:15 that just completely ignores this (unvote acknowledged)

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Anyway, if you guys have read lists or thoughts about where you think the game should be going, I beg you; go for it.

It would be nice to have at least one phase that feels like what should normally happen in a phase.

kek

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I'm pretty confident in star being town and I think you're town today

kek

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Roles with a death trigger

this is kind of meme logic
i almost like it but i want to point out there are no roles with this ability in among us

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Pretty sure wolf haku would be more concerned with the votes on them from yesterday and play more "cornered"

i actually want to know if you genuinely thought haku was town at any point in d1 because you basically said nothing about them for the last six hours of the phase, your interaction with them before that seemed very skeptical

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Instead they're by far the most proactive player today and trying to force content

this kind of behavior goes both ways, i think it's dangerous to let the other half of the kitb take such a commanding presence in the immediate next phase

Originally Posted by roundbox

I do want to look into bugkid's death a bit and honour their posts by reading them

goddamnit dude STOP melding with me

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I think I hurt this game a lot by being given too much attention compared to the other players honestly.

I feel like the game tends to get more interesting post my own flips because it's like the dots become so much easier to connect for everyone else suddenly.

then i guess you shouldn't have switched your vote. hehe.

more cry me a river type posting

Originally Posted by star-crossed

You keep making comments like you want me to lead, or you are going with the flow with my ideas, and I really feel that I do not have a solid enough foundation for that to be a good idea. I do not even want to make a reads list, because I don't want to give the wolves an ego boost if I town read them

had me in the first half not gonna lie
this post's just kinda odd to me i can't really put my finger on why

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Are these reads helpful to any of you ?

i think it's like an 80% chance that they got nightkilled specifically for this post and their vote, but that it is a distraction due to their unique suspicion on star

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I cant give an individual read on lurker cause if i think gard i can only remember like 3 things hes done.

multiple players have made fewer non-meme posts per phase

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I do believe lurker has no problem maintaining a good tone even as wolf tho.
Probably just as well as choof does.

genuinely could quit the game over this comparison (not really)

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

They don't need to coast. The pace of the game in general is too slow for a solve.

this seems contradictory
slow game means they in fact have the ability to coast
that said i highly doubt both are, maybe not even one of them is

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I feel like lurker is also the most likely candidate to fit "tonal shift between D1 and the rest of the game"

Maybe this sounds stupid but their interrogations have been narrower in scope imo

maybe there was one obvious issue in the previous phase that demanded a narrower scope for the time being

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I mean, if you look at who's controlling the game, I feel like lurker/roundbox makes the ideal battery if they know what everyone are.

you are painting this game in a very strange light compared to what i'm seeing

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by lurker

?????????

If the D0 EoD led to a flip, FFA would have been lynched I believe or at least close to.

Originally Posted by lurker

genuinely could quit the game over this comparison (not really)

It was meant to be a compliment because I thought I could read choof based on tone in a game and I was never a tiny bit close.

Anyway, gotta sleep if I still have to have some brain cells left.