This will help FFR as a whole - Page 6

**Dronak** · 12-2-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rade0110

Dronak: I think your ideas on bigger avatars and bigger profile pics and access to premium content. The only objections I have towards what you said is that 1: Most of the stuff that you have to pay for on the first web board you mentioned, is already given here for free. Things like polls, private messaging, arcade access, and photo gallery all are given out for free. And the $1 sign-up fee seems kind of like a sketchy way to lure people in.

Remember that nothing I said was meant to be directly copied here. I just wanted to show examples of what a couple of other places have done, so that people here could see if something similar could be used. I appreciate the feedback, but some of it basically repeats what I said. I indicated that I thought the other sites/systems I mentioned were a bit better for pricing examples than feature examples. I also noted that we couldn't just copy the first web board because things are different here. As for the $1 sign-up, maybe it's not so good on a web board. I'd agree on that. But this was used for a shell account -- providing users direct access to a shared UNIX system via their own accounts. In that case, working on the computer system itself, it makes more sense to be careful about protecting the system. Here where an account isn't much beyond a way to log their stats and use the web board, a $1 sign-up fee probably doesn't make much sense. However, we could consider the other thing they do -- a one-time fee for some content/features and an annual fee for some other, better content/features.

**Synthlight** · 12-2-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwhaiwnfi

Can I get some feedback on this? I thought it was a decent idea..

As Tass said, this is not nearly as easy as it sounds. In order to have people working full time converting files, it would take take a hefty amount of money. There is currently no way to automate this. Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea. It just isn't an idea that is feasible at this point.

Cheers,

Synthlight

ToshX · 12-2-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthlight

Ok, lets see if we can get an agreement on this and or discuss this list:

No banner ads whatsoever, anywhere on the site.
SOTW early. Maybe 2 weeks early?
Special forum titles and or more information under your avatar
Private forum areas where you can say whatever the hell you want.
Special rooms in the chat that only allow paid members..
Instant access to all available songs
Special color name within multiplayer so you can play other members if you choose
Merchandise or T-shirt with membership or at slightly higher membership rate?
Active customer support network for the new people that come in as members

Monthly: $3.50
Bi-Annual: $19.00
Annual: $35.00

Pay by paypal, via credit card on automatic renewing subscriptions or one time payment. Or paypal pay by phone payment.

Can you guys think of anything else? Doing my best to implement your ideas here. Again, remember that this is all just brainstorming.

Cheers,

Synthlight

I would pay for that stuff, but I'd pay much more for merchandise.

Afrobean · 12-2-2006, 02:36 PM

Can one of the staff members comment on my "let premium members play SIU songs in FFR" idea? Is that feasible or not?

And Tosh: yeah, you'd pay more for merchandise, but Synth would bring in less revenue from each merchandise sold than he would from simple donations. Additionally, it would take a lot of work to get merchandise running.

Biff_tech · 12-2-2006, 04:28 PM

Would it be possible for people to pay to get there Ban times Shortend???
Cause that would be pretty cool.

**Synthlight** · 12-2-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff_tech

Would it be possible for people to pay to get there Ban times Shortend???
Cause that would be pretty cool.

That sounds like a good business move.

*NO*

Cheers,

Synthlight

**Tasselfoot** · 12-2-2006, 04:41 PM

Afro: there are only a few (4 or 5, i believe) songs that are on SIU that aren't on FFR... KK04 was one, but now it is in FFR...

I think to some extent, we're looking to have some songs be unique only to SIU.

Afrobean · 12-2-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Afro: there are only a few (4 or 5, i believe) songs that are on SIU that aren't on FFR... KK04 was one, but now it is in FFR...

I think to some extent, we're looking to have some songs be unique only to SIU.

They're not the same "steps" though, are they?

**Windscarredfaith** · 12-2-2006, 05:00 PM

What if premium members are also able to buy the files for FFR for SM? I'd totally pay money to buy them. xD

**Synthlight** · 12-2-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Windscarredfaith

What if premium members are also able to buy the files for FFR for SM? I'd totally pay money to buy them. xD

I would rather open source them. I don't think anyone should have to buy files for stepmania.

Cheers,

Synthlight

rade0110 · 12-2-2006, 05:21 PM

Would it be possible to open Level ranks for other players as a premium piece? I know I would love to see what songs I have an advantage on in MP. Also, have a multiple opponent MP room? Don't know if any of this is possible.

Tps222 · 12-2-2006, 05:22 PM

I like all the ideas stated thus far. I would buy a yearly membership for any fee under $50 a year.

Perhaps some insight on future projects, input and comments with updated screenshots on future projects. This way, people don't feel like they are missing a huge part of the site, just the stuff they normally don't have access to anyways. With the concern of leaked info, I don't see anyone paying ~$35 to leak something as minute as a screenshot of something.

Also, any chance a deal could be worked out to get FFRcade annexed to the site? I realize this may defeat the purpose with the server strain, I'm jus t brainstorming. I'm sure people would enjoy a private arcade for FFR members.

Then again, I really don't like that idea for a multitude of reasons, I'm just throwing it out there.

All the in-game suggestions thus far I like, it will attract a lot of people. The forum ones are good as well.

I like the idea of a Premium Chat, I think that would appeal to a lot of people who don't necessarily like the Video one. In my opinion, it could be made very simplistic as well.

Along the new member customer support idea, I think it'd be nice for an email address to be specified for such questions, comments, and concerns to be directed towards. One that would be checked daily by any of the admins, and that would be personally answered and direct towards the persons question. I think staff response is a really cool thing to have(Not to say that the staff isn't responsive, I realize people have lives, but depending on the amount of emails received, and the lack of admins that have access to the server, perhaps it could be a private g-mail account that all the mods have access to as well).

Perhaps some Premium Skins for the forum. Premium Member title I think is better than custom.

I have to eat, but I'll be back later with some better ideas that are more put together.

Grandiagod · 12-2-2006, 05:23 PM

Have you ever thought of affiliating with other, smaller sites? They could pay you a price and you could put their name under an "affiliates" banner. For the webcomics toplist, they have a banner that lists webcomics at the top of their site, people pay to put theirs up and whenever the page refreshes, depending on the amount of webcomics to be advertised, there is a certain chance that theirs will pop up.

They could be related to ffr or not. I guess it would be kinda like banner advertisements, but just throwing stuff out.

Iwhaiwnfi · 12-2-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthlight

As Tass said, this is not nearly as easy as it sounds. In order to have people working full time converting files, it would take take a hefty amount of money. There is currently no way to automate this. Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea. It just isn't an idea that is feasible at this point.

Yeah, also in regards to what tass said, I think my idea wasn't thought out as well as it should have been.

First off, I didn't expect this to be automated. I know each SOTW is added manually, and it's time consuming.

How about this. It'd be a bit of work, but instead of every song getting put up, only one is selected to be put up each day. It'd be a bit more time consuming, but not nearly as much as my previous idea.

Each one is displayed for 12 days (Enough time to fill up one page of the section) and after that, it's taken down, when a new one will be put in its place. Same rule applies, if it's good enough, it can turn into a public SOTW.

In this way it's a double incentive for premium members. There's a greater chance of their work getting displayed (if only for a brief time), and premium members basically get a SOTD, a song of the day, every day. Plus it won't take up too much bandwidth, because it'd only be 12 more songs at any given time than what we have now.

Don't make me quote myself again to get some response on this :/

**Tasselfoot** · 12-2-2006, 05:36 PM

the permission issue is still there...

but, I do get at least 1 new submission per day... just most of them aren't very good.

UberMario · 12-2-2006, 05:38 PM

Hey Synth, is it possible to stick those google ads into the forums somewhere innocent? I'd think that would bring up the revenue just by having more ad views. I think I view ~50 forum pages to one frontpage/other places on the site with ads.

ps. Also, Iwhai, I'm not digging the idea at all. I think it's a waste of time. Sorry. I just don't think I'd ever really participate. It sounds like a HUGE hassle no matter how small you make it. I don't even think it's possible until we get third style anyways...

Iwhaiwnfi · 12-2-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

the permission issue is still there...

but, I do get at least 1 new submission per day... just most of them aren't very good.

Who's to say they didn't get permission after submitting the files?

That'd obviously be one of the rules: all files submitted to be included there have to have been checked for approval by the song author.

Only one a day? I thought you'd get more than that.. whatever, it was just an idea.

ToshX · 12-2-2006, 06:49 PM

Yeah, but I'd be willing to pay a LOT for an FFR Shirt. Meaning like $30 more than they originally sold for, at least.

That's just me, because I'm starting to love FFR again...for now.

**Windscarredfaith** · 12-2-2006, 07:14 PM

Here's another suggestion on what premium members could get:

You know how we can see the total score for songs that we are highest ranked on? Well, I dunno about other people, but I really can't tell how many goods I get nor my combo just by looking at the score... I know that Shash and Tass explained the breakdown of the scoring system, but it would be nice to see the actual screenshot of the breakdown of the song (like the Multiplayer Stats). Not only can we look at own own, we should be able to look at other peoples' too, and maybe look at everyone else's Level Stats.

UberMario · 12-2-2006, 07:23 PM

I think charging higher for shirts is a good idea. Get more out of less. Whoever bought the shirt knows they did a good deed for FFR.

-lost momentum-

I'll post more suggestions once again maybe tomorrow, I'm busy today. :<

12-2-2006, 02:36 PM	#104
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Can one of the staff members comment on my "let premium members play SIU songs in FFR" idea? Is that feasible or not? And Tosh: yeah, you'd pay more for merchandise, but Synth would bring in less revenue from each merchandise sold than he would from simple donations. Additionally, it would take a lot of work to get merchandise running. __________________

12-2-2006, 04:28 PM	#105
Biff_tech so the 17 ate the 12 eh. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: WTF are you a stalker Age: 34 Posts: 826	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Would it be possible for people to pay to get there Ban times Shortend??? Cause that would be pretty cool. __________________ CLICK \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ Sig by Darkmonkey AKA Clowd

12-2-2006, 04:41 PM	#107
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Afro: there are only a few (4 or 5, i believe) songs that are on SIU that aren't on FFR... KK04 was one, but now it is in FFR... I think to some extent, we're looking to have some songs be unique only to SIU. __________________ RIP

12-2-2006, 05:00 PM	#109
Windscarredfaith (づ￣ ³￣)づ watermelon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Age: 34 Posts: 2,612	Re: This will help FFR as a whole What if premium members are also able to buy the files for FFR for SM? I'd totally pay money to buy them. xD __________________

12-2-2006, 05:22 PM	#112
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	Re: This will help FFR as a whole I like all the ideas stated thus far. I would buy a yearly membership for any fee under $50 a year. Perhaps some insight on future projects, input and comments with updated screenshots on future projects. This way, people don't feel like they are missing a huge part of the site, just the stuff they normally don't have access to anyways. With the concern of leaked info, I don't see anyone paying ~$35 to leak something as minute as a screenshot of something. Also, any chance a deal could be worked out to get FFRcade annexed to the site? I realize this may defeat the purpose with the server strain, I'm jus t brainstorming. I'm sure people would enjoy a private arcade for FFR members. Then again, I really don't like that idea for a multitude of reasons, I'm just throwing it out there. All the in-game suggestions thus far I like, it will attract a lot of people. The forum ones are good as well. I like the idea of a Premium Chat, I think that would appeal to a lot of people who don't necessarily like the Video one. In my opinion, it could be made very simplistic as well. Along the new member customer support idea, I think it'd be nice for an email address to be specified for such questions, comments, and concerns to be directed towards. One that would be checked daily by any of the admins, and that would be personally answered and direct towards the persons question. I think staff response is a really cool thing to have(Not to say that the staff isn't responsive, I realize people have lives, but depending on the amount of emails received, and the lack of admins that have access to the server, perhaps it could be a private g-mail account that all the mods have access to as well). Perhaps some Premium Skins for the forum. Premium Member title I think is better than custom. I have to eat, but I'll be back later with some better ideas that are more put together.

12-2-2006, 05:23 PM	#113
Grandiagod FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Feaefaw Age: 35 Posts: 6,122	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Have you ever thought of affiliating with other, smaller sites? They could pay you a price and you could put their name under an "affiliates" banner. For the webcomics toplist, they have a banner that lists webcomics at the top of their site, people pay to put theirs up and whenever the page refreshes, depending on the amount of webcomics to be advertised, there is a certain chance that theirs will pop up. They could be related to ffr or not. I guess it would be kinda like banner advertisements, but just throwing stuff out.

12-2-2006, 05:36 PM	#115
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: This will help FFR as a whole the permission issue is still there... but, I do get at least 1 new submission per day... just most of them aren't very good. __________________ RIP

12-2-2006, 05:38 PM	#116
UberMario FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Plus I'm hungry for ****. Age: 23 Posts: 1,777	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Hey Synth, is it possible to stick those google ads into the forums somewhere innocent? I'd think that would bring up the revenue just by having more ad views. I think I view ~50 forum pages to one frontpage/other places on the site with ads. ps. Also, Iwhai, I'm not digging the idea at all. I think it's a waste of time. Sorry. I just don't think I'd ever really participate. It sounds like a HUGE hassle no matter how small you make it. I don't even think it's possible until we get third style anyways... __________________ That's cool Mario, but how come whenever you eat mushrooms, everything gets bigger but your dick? Last edited by UberMario; 12-2-2006 at 05:43 PM..

12-2-2006, 06:49 PM	#118
ToshX FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,111	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Yeah, but I'd be willing to pay a LOT for an FFR Shirt. Meaning like $30 more than they originally sold for, at least. That's just me, because I'm starting to love FFR again...for now.

12-2-2006, 07:14 PM	#119
Windscarredfaith (づ￣ ³￣)づ watermelon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Age: 34 Posts: 2,612	Re: This will help FFR as a whole Here's another suggestion on what premium members could get: You know how we can see the total score for songs that we are highest ranked on? Well, I dunno about other people, but I really can't tell how many goods I get nor my combo just by looking at the score... I know that Shash and Tass explained the breakdown of the scoring system, but it would be nice to see the actual screenshot of the breakdown of the song (like the Multiplayer Stats). Not only can we look at own own, we should be able to look at other peoples' too, and maybe look at everyone else's Level Stats. __________________

12-2-2006, 07:23 PM	#120
UberMario FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Plus I'm hungry for ****. Age: 23 Posts: 1,777	Re: This will help FFR as a whole I think charging higher for shirts is a good idea. Get more out of less. Whoever bought the shirt knows they did a good deed for FFR. -lost momentum- I'll post more suggestions once again maybe tomorrow, I'm busy today. :< __________________ That's cool Mario, but how come whenever you eat mushrooms, everything gets bigger but your dick?

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