A world without money. - Page 5

Ickalanda · 01-6-2011, 03:35 AM

The biggest problem about not having money is that then there wouldn't be any way to label who has what and who is allowed to do what. If there was truly no money then people would just start hording everything to themselves to make their houses larger or have more valuables. Money solves this problem by giving everything a value and making you have to work in order to be able to receive a certain value of something. I find it hard to think of a world without money, the closest thing that there has been is in the old world of trading, but even then that is still the same concept, with nothing being free as you suggested in your first post.

It would be impossible to have everything be free because then all of the worlds resources would be used up immediately and there would be no accountability for anything at all. People would begin fighting over who could have what, this is not a world of infinite materials, after all.

**Reincarnate** · 01-6-2011, 08:03 PM

I love how all my comments keep getting deleted just so that absurdly incorrect economic statements can be left standing without contest. FFR naturally favors the stupid.

**devonin** · 01-7-2011, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I love how all my comments keep getting deleted just so that absurdly incorrect economic statements can be left standing without contest. FFR naturally favors the stupid.

Yeah your posts of

"Sigh"

and

"lololollolol"

really contributed to the critical discussion at hand.

Seriously guys, this isn't chit-chat or TGB, the nonsense bs posting doesn't belong.

**Reincarnate** · 01-7-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

Yeah your posts of

"Sigh"

and

"lololollolol"

really contributed to the critical discussion at hand.

Seriously guys, this isn't chit-chat or TGB, the nonsense bs posting doesn't belong.

such statements indicate the sheer absurdity of the posts they follow.

am I supposed to seriously debate flatlanders and convince them the earth is round? or stork theory enthusiasts about how the reproductive system works?

i should be able to point out when retardation is rampant -- ESPECIALLY in economics. if you're going to delete posts, delete the nonsense. that isn't critical thinking, either.

**devonin** · 01-7-2011, 08:14 AM

If you think they are so ridiculous that your original attempts to engage them properly according to the rules of the forum did nothing whatsoever, then the correct play is to ignore them from that point on, not spam post crap about how you think they are idiots.

That you think someone is an idiot is not something that has a place in this particular sub forum and you know that.

**Reincarnate** · 01-7-2011, 08:17 AM

the best defense against idiocy is to let idiocy stand? okay there

just because this is a "critical thinking" forum, that should not give people carte blanche to post complete bullshit -- I don't care where it is

Mulie · 01-7-2011, 08:58 AM

Ridicule doesn't enlighten. I suppose you could hope that your ridicule would prevent others from hopping on the fool's bandwagon, but it's not productive for CT.

Sometimes I have trouble not resorting to ridicule, too. Less often of late. Now quiet contemplation follows instead. One might argue that doing so would leave certain retaliatory emotions unattended, but it's becoming increasingly apparent to me that those are corollary.

**devonin** · 01-7-2011, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

the best defense against idiocy is to let idiocy stand? okay there

just because this is a "critical thinking" forum, that should not give people carte blanche to post complete bullshit -- I don't care where it is

Once again:

Reasoned responses attempting to show them you think they are wrong: GOOD

Calling them an idiot and saying you've given up on them, but also, they are an idiot, lol: BAD

**Reincarnate** · 01-7-2011, 06:18 PM

Yeah you sure as hell didn't give me my carte blanche to have people show me with reasoned attempts to show why my flat earth theory was wrong, now did you?

and yet you will let economic crap go uncontested to the same tune?

**devonin** · 01-7-2011, 10:54 PM

If you fail to see how those two threads aren't the same, you shoudln't be posting in this subforum.

**Reincarnate** · 01-7-2011, 11:15 PM

"herp derp stupid econ theory" <-- ok let's allow this
"herp derp flat earth theory" <-- ok let's lock this

ok there

**devonin** · 01-8-2011, 11:31 AM

Okay, so you failed. No posting in CT for a week please.

**Reincarnate** · 01-8-2011, 11:37 AM

just because you are mod here does not mean you get to dictate the terms of who "succeeds" and "fails" on a logical basis.

i didn't fail -- you just fail at keeping obvious trash out of a forum. stuff that doesn't warrant serious discussion.

explain to me, minus the obvious impetus for its creation, why you chose to lock the flatearth thread.

Mulie · 01-8-2011, 12:22 PM

Your argument was challenged at least a few times and at least on one occasion you responded with feigned ignorance, with the justification that your point had not yet been made. But if those propositions weren't good enough, what would have been needed to deconstruct your logic?

People continued posting, extending the false debate. I think those are the basic premises under which Devonin locked it.

It may also have been in part because of the static between you two, but you'd already conceded.

And clearly you're "trolling", Rubix. You're not stupid.

**Reincarnate** · 01-8-2011, 12:36 PM

Doesn't matter -- what propositions would be good enough to deconstruct someone's belief in God?

Some people are just so thick that no amount of reasoned logic will sway their opinions because they will dodge or misconstrue what contradicts them and push forth additional argument into new areas falling under the same broken premises.

If people can get away with that crap here about economics, I should be able to do it about flat Earth. It shouldn't matter if I don't actually believe it or if it's a "false debate" because this is a "critical thinking" forum.
this is ffr lololololololol

Mulie · 01-8-2011, 12:42 PM

But this is a forum, and everyone has a right to post. If rebuttals had to be logically sound, else be deleted, even if it were beyond the person's ability, things would be awfully dull.

In the end if you can't convince a person of something, that's your failing as well.

edit

Doesn't justify The Flat Earth thread because Rubix's rejection was false...

**Reincarnate** · 01-8-2011, 12:58 PM

It's not my failure if someone is blatantly choosing to ignore facts and reasoned logic.

Whether or not the forum would be "dull" is irrelevant. If it's meant to be a platform for serious discussion, then it should be maintained that way. If you're going to let crap stand, then you need to let crap stand.

There's no reason why the flat Earth thread should be removed other than arbitrary "you don't really believe that" reasoning, which shouldn't matter in a "critical thinking" forum.

Are you guys really having trouble understanding this?

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."

-What Dev is saying is that it's OK to enter this forum and act like a pigeon if that is indeed the way they play. You either have to take the pigeon seriously or let it continue crapping on the board. Actually wanting to have a serious chess match against someone who plays chess? Forget about it

Mulie · 01-8-2011, 01:06 PM

Are you saying someone in this thread was choosing to ignore your responses? If not, your thread was unjustified (and therefore locked) because you chose to ignore reason, unlike the people that were arguing with you here, who (I think) sincerely weren't convinced.

edit

Quote:

-What Dev is saying is that it's OK to enter this forum and act like a pigeon if that is indeed the way they play. You either have to take the pigeon seriously or let it continue crapping on the board. Actually wanting to have a serious chess match against someone who plays chess? Forget about it

No one is saying you can't debate on your own terms. You were only chewed out because you began resorting to ridicule in an effort to get your point across. That's not debate, and it doesn't belong here.

**Reincarnate** · 01-8-2011, 01:09 PM

People ignore responses whether they're intentionally doing it or not. Debate any serious Creationist who "disbelieves" in evolution and you'll see what I mean. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La la la" is not okay. But apparently if you're "actually stupid," it's okay to do this?

Mulie · 01-8-2011, 01:17 PM

If a person is "actually stupid", they're not intentionally ignoring the other side, and they continue trying to argue their point... Then yes, they're still debating.

You don't necessarily have to convince them of anything.

01-6-2011, 03:35 AM	#81
Ickalanda FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan, United States Age: 33 Posts: 113	Re: A world without money. The biggest problem about not having money is that then there wouldn't be any way to label who has what and who is allowed to do what. If there was truly no money then people would just start hording everything to themselves to make their houses larger or have more valuables. Money solves this problem by giving everything a value and making you have to work in order to be able to receive a certain value of something. I find it hard to think of a world without money, the closest thing that there has been is in the old world of trading, but even then that is still the same concept, with nothing being free as you suggested in your first post. It would be impossible to have everything be free because then all of the worlds resources would be used up immediately and there would be no accountability for anything at all. People would begin fighting over who could have what, this is not a world of infinite materials, after all. __________________ R.I.P. Steve the jellygod My StarCraft II YouTube Channel!

01-6-2011, 08:03 PM	#82
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. I love how all my comments keep getting deleted just so that absurdly incorrect economic statements can be left standing without contest. FFR naturally favors the stupid.

01-7-2011, 08:14 AM	#85
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: A world without money. If you think they are so ridiculous that your original attempts to engage them properly according to the rules of the forum did nothing whatsoever, then the correct play is to ignore them from that point on, not spam post crap about how you think they are idiots. That you think someone is an idiot is not something that has a place in this particular sub forum and you know that.

01-7-2011, 08:17 AM	#86
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. the best defense against idiocy is to let idiocy stand? okay there just because this is a "critical thinking" forum, that should not give people carte blanche to post complete bullshit -- I don't care where it is

01-7-2011, 08:58 AM	#87
Mulie FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Age: 35 Posts: 190	Re: A world without money. Ridicule doesn't enlighten. I suppose you could hope that your ridicule would prevent others from hopping on the fool's bandwagon, but it's not productive for CT. Sometimes I have trouble not resorting to ridicule, too. Less often of late. Now quiet contemplation follows instead. One might argue that doing so would leave certain retaliatory emotions unattended, but it's becoming increasingly apparent to me that those are corollary.

01-7-2011, 06:18 PM	#89
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. Yeah you sure as hell didn't give me my carte blanche to have people show me with reasoned attempts to show why my flat earth theory was wrong, now did you? and yet you will let economic crap go uncontested to the same tune?

01-7-2011, 10:54 PM	#90
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: A world without money. If you fail to see how those two threads aren't the same, you shoudln't be posting in this subforum.

01-7-2011, 11:15 PM	#91
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. "herp derp stupid econ theory" <-- ok let's allow this "herp derp flat earth theory" <-- ok let's lock this ok there

01-8-2011, 11:31 AM	#92
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: A world without money. Okay, so you failed. No posting in CT for a week please.

01-8-2011, 11:37 AM	#93
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. just because you are mod here does not mean you get to dictate the terms of who "succeeds" and "fails" on a logical basis. i didn't fail -- you just fail at keeping obvious trash out of a forum. stuff that doesn't warrant serious discussion. explain to me, minus the obvious impetus for its creation, why you chose to lock the flatearth thread. Last edited by Reincarnate; 01-8-2011 at 11:45 AM..

01-8-2011, 12:22 PM	#94
Mulie FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Age: 35 Posts: 190	Re: A world without money. Your argument was challenged at least a few times and at least on one occasion you responded with feigned ignorance, with the justification that your point had not yet been made. But if those propositions weren't good enough, what would have been needed to deconstruct your logic? People continued posting, extending the false debate. I think those are the basic premises under which Devonin locked it. It may also have been in part because of the static between you two, but you'd already conceded. And clearly you're "trolling", Rubix. You're not stupid.

01-8-2011, 12:36 PM	#95
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. Doesn't matter -- what propositions would be good enough to deconstruct someone's belief in God? Some people are just so thick that no amount of reasoned logic will sway their opinions because they will dodge or misconstrue what contradicts them and push forth additional argument into new areas falling under the same broken premises. If people can get away with that crap here about economics, I should be able to do it about flat Earth. It shouldn't matter if I don't actually believe it or if it's a "false debate" because this is a "critical thinking" forum. this is ffr lololololololol Last edited by Reincarnate; 01-8-2011 at 12:38 PM..

01-8-2011, 12:42 PM	#96
Mulie FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Age: 35 Posts: 190	Re: A world without money. But this is a forum, and everyone has a right to post. If rebuttals had to be logically sound, else be deleted, even if it were beyond the person's ability, things would be awfully dull. In the end if you can't convince a person of something, that's your failing as well. edit Doesn't justify The Flat Earth thread because Rubix's rejection was false... Last edited by Mulie; 01-8-2011 at 12:52 PM..

01-8-2011, 12:58 PM	#97
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. It's not my failure if someone is blatantly choosing to ignore facts and reasoned logic. Whether or not the forum would be "dull" is irrelevant. If it's meant to be a platform for serious discussion, then it should be maintained that way. If you're going to let crap stand, then you need to let crap stand. There's no reason why the flat Earth thread should be removed other than arbitrary "you don't really believe that" reasoning, which shouldn't matter in a "critical thinking" forum. Are you guys really having trouble understanding this? "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -What Dev is saying is that it's OK to enter this forum and act like a pigeon if that is indeed the way they play. You either have to take the pigeon seriously or let it continue crapping on the board. Actually wanting to have a serious chess match against someone who plays chess? Forget about it Last edited by Reincarnate; 01-8-2011 at 01:04 PM..

01-8-2011, 01:09 PM	#99
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: A world without money. People ignore responses whether they're intentionally doing it or not. Debate any serious Creationist who "disbelieves" in evolution and you'll see what I mean. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La la la" is not okay. But apparently if you're "actually stupid," it's okay to do this?

01-8-2011, 01:17 PM	#100
Mulie FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Age: 35 Posts: 190	Re: A world without money. If a person is "actually stupid", they're not intentionally ignoring the other side, and they continue trying to argue their point... Then yes, they're still debating. You don't necessarily have to convince them of anything.

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