Democratic primary!

I don't know if anyone cares about politics here, but this is hilarious to watch. We've got John Kerry, Al Sharpton, Howard Dean, Dick Gephart, Joe Lieberman, John Edwards, Wesley Clark, Dennis Kucinich, and Carol Moseley-Braun all going for the same office. Meanwhile we've got folks like the Clintons and Al Gore working behind the scenes, trying to shift power in their favor! It's hilarious to watch.

My prediction:
Dean's going to win, because the media is having a torrid affair with him. Al Gore has backed Howard Dean. This places Gore and Hillary Clinton in opposite sides of the court. Gore wants Dean to win, appoint Gore Secretary of State, and set him up for a 2012 win. Hillary wants Dean to lose, so that she can reclaim control of the party and set herself up for a 2008 win, promising new direction for the DNC.

Course the Democrats are screwed anyway, especially with the latest economic numbers that show (gasp!) that Bush actually hasn't been screwing the economy, the latest war reports from Iraq that show (gasp!) we're winning, plus the fact that the Democrats don't have direction. It's hilarious to watch. Here's an imaginary interview between a person (i.e. me) and John Kerry.

Me: Sen. Kerry, what is your position on the war in Iraq?
Kerry: It's a horrible thing that we're over there. We never should have gone in the first place, and we need to send our troops home.
Me: But you voted to give President Bush the power to send troops to Iraq.
Kerry: Uh...
Me: You say you don't support the war you voted to support. Then what is the Democratic perspective on Iraq? What can we expect a Democrat to do in 2004 in Iraq?
Kerry: Uh...
Me: And you say that unemployment has been up since Bush's presidency, despite the fact that Bush created over 2 million new jobs in his first 2 and a half years.
Kerry: Uh...
Me: Thank you for your time, Senator.

Thoughts?

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

Bush is going to own everyone

power to the elephant

[Anticrombie0909]

Bush=teh suck

How the hell are we supposed to trust a man who can't even eat his pretzel with his finger on the button?

[VxDx]

...because I'm sure that a presidential candidate wouldn't have answers to your questions and you have to reply "uh...."

Furthermore, you based your entire theoretical debate on a theoretical answer. Well, I wonder what if someone interviewed Bush.

me: So, Dubbya, how 'bout those WMDs you promised?
W: uh.....
me: and how about all those soldiers who are dying to find your WMDs?
W: uh.....
me: and how about those big words all those "edumacated" people are using?
W: uh.....
me: glad to hear it!!

[makaveli121212]

shut up you hippie

and id like to know what eating a pretzel has to do with trust...the democratic party is in disarray, and Bush is better off now than he has ever been...its a realtive shoein

[Anticrombie0909]

Bush is better off now than he has ever been

That's just sad. Because that basically means his campaign has sucked from the beginning. He's borrowed billions of wasted dollars for a war that didn't need to be fought, half the US thinks the war in Iraq was a bad idea from the start, he's screwed over the war anyway by keeping troops there far longer than needed as losses continue to mount from our own ineptitude, he has no idea how to form a working government there, and basically is screwing over everything he tries to fix. Add that to the market being at an almost all-time low in the last year and you've got one man who's name is mud.

Yeah, and the 'trickle-down' theory is bullshit.

[VxDx]

Originally Posted by makaveli121212

shut up you hippie

why you're the rudest man... who's ever bought me dinner.

[makaveli121212]

Correction i never bought yo-...oh, oh my

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to stay on topic, look anti bash him all you want, but what exactly is wrong with what he did and is doing...you bitched before that it took him too long to find saddam...well you never answered me, i asked what did they do wrong, and what would you have done differently...how can you argue that iraq is worse off now than it was

The VXDX/Dubya Interview, rewritten:

me: So, Dubya, how 'bout those WMDs you promised?
W: We are working hard to find them. However, the Saddam regime knew of the possibility of an impending U.S. attack for months. Most of the WMDs have probably been dismantled in an attempt to embarrass the U.S. We know this to be true because we have found materials in Iraqi military facilities that could easily be assembled into fully functional nuclear weapons within hours.
me: and how about all those soldiers who are dying to find your WMDs?
W: Those soldiers are not dying to find WMDs. They are fighting to bring peace in Iraq, after we freed it from the clutches of an oppressive dictator who murdered tens of thousands of his own innocent people, evident from the mass graves of blindfolded skeletons we've been discovering. Let's also not forget that the latest opinion polls in Iraq show that a great majority of Iraqi people support the United States.
me: and how about those big words all those "edumacated" people are using?
W: The complexiveness of my words doesn't change a thing about the way I run a country.


Seriously, Bush-bashers need to quit their ad finitum ad hominem attacks. So what if he choked on a pretzel. Most human beings choke on something many times during their life. We finally get a president who's not some sort of silver-tongued smooth-talker and he gets attacked for it.

[RobbyZero]

Bush=teh suck

[makaveli121212]

if you think bush sucks you know nothing about politics

especially when you put down no reasons

[Alkaiser88]

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

That's just sad. Because that basically means his campaign has sucked from the beginning. He's borrowed billions of wasted dollars for a war that didn't need to be fought, half the US thinks the war in Iraq was a bad idea from the start, he's screwed over the war anyway by keeping troops there far longer than needed as losses continue to mount from our own ineptitude, he has no idea how to form a working government there, and basically is screwing over everything he tries to fix. Add that to the market being at an almost all-time low in the last year and you've got one man who's name is mud.

Yeah, and the 'trickle-down' theory is bullshit.

He borrowed like 300 billion dollars... that's only like 190 times the budget of the enviromental protection agency..

[VxDx]

I'm real lazy and I really don't care a lot about Bush, I was just making a point that you made a blatently one sided arguement. If you want, look up any anti-bush site, and you will find statements that they claim are "100%" true, that completely contradict what you said. I'm not saying that I know who is right, and in fact I support the war in Iraq, but I am saying that what you said originally is unfairly biased.

[makaveli121212]

more like 80 billion...let me see whats more important, the environmental agency or the USA...oh my gosh we have to go save the trees, but were going to need 80 billion dollars...oh and anti, stock market is almost at an all-time high

VXDX: Unfairly biased? So anyone who has an opinion is "unfairly biased?" Yeah, you can't believe everything you hear from one source. That's why the educated person reads multiple sources of information.

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

He's borrowed billions of wasted dollars for a war that didn't need to be fought

Like how Clinton spent $2 billion a year on the "war on drugs", even though illegal drug use didn't decline at all during his administration? At least we freed a people from an oppressive dictator. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030603-7.html

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

Half the US thinks the war in Iraq was a bad idea from the start

Half the US are Democrats. And people who are affiliated to a major party feel the knee-jerk need to oppose the other party on all issues, which is silly. No war should be a freaking partisan issue! But idiot politicians - Republicans AND Democrats - insist on making everything a partisan issue to perpetuate the two-party system.

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

he's screwed over the war anyway by keeping troops there far longer than needed

If America left now, Iraq would plunge into greater chaos as small militant and insurgent groups made violent claims to power. We're actually keeping the loss of life down by staying there!

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

as losses continue to mount from our own ineptitude

Let's not forget that we have the strongest military force in the world, far from "inept" at doing anything. Which is why Baghdad fell within days of our entry with minimal loss of blood. In addition, the death toll over there is 497. Four hundred and ninety seven. And that's ALL Coalition forces, not just U.S. troops. By comparison, U.S. deaths in the Korean war numbered 36,940. And you probably forgot the Korean war ever happened.

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

he has no idea how to form a working government there

That's not Bush's job.

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

and basically is screwing over everything he tries to fix.

Despite the fact that bin Laden's on the run, the Saddam regime is gone, the economy is up, joblessness is down, and most Americans approve of Bush? Your statement appears to be rooted in many falsehoods.

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

Add that to the market being at an almost all-time low in the last year and you've got one man who's name is mud.

The economy is UP! Stock market has surpassed 10,000 for the first time since 9-11. Any economic "recession" we faced was simply an aftereffect of a terrorist attack - i.e. out of Bush's control.

[RobbyZero]

Im not interested in politics but Bush is the most retarded president it seems...

Bring back the scandalist! :P

No but seriously...He's a tard at times..

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Then again here in Canada you got retarded frogs running the cities and country fuck...Guess it could be worse...

But presidency is for us to worry about and for you to control!

[makaveli121212]

look anyone who opposes bush obviously doesnt know what he/she is talking about...sure im biased but the facts are there, things are looking good for our country, and if the country is doing well then so is her leader...President Bush

[VxDx]

Originally Posted by chardish

VXDX: Unfairly biased? So anyone who has an opinion is "unfairly biased?"

No, but I thought that that was how you might take my comment.

To say that your imaginary conversation isn't unfairly biased would be to say that mine wasn't either.

Originally Posted by makaveli121212

look anyone who opposes bush obviously doesnt know what he/she is talking about

You're wrong. But the majority of Bush-haters don't have their facts straight.

Originally Posted by VxDx

I'm real lazy and I really don't care a lot about Bush, I was just making a point that you made a blatently one sided arguement. If you want, look up any anti-bush site, and you will find statements that they claim are "100%" true, that completely contradict what you said. I'm not saying that I know who is right, and in fact I support the war in Iraq, but I am saying that what you said originally is unfairly biased.

Basically you're juxtaposing making a one-sided argument (and all arguments are one-sided) with being "unfairly biased". This suggests that you think that every argument needs to present the opposition in a positive light.

Your argument was one-sided, too. Like my argument, it was biased. Because that's what arguments are! But neither of us were "unfair" in our arguments. I'm not bashing you, VxDx, but just because an argument is biased or one-sided doesn't make it unfair. Arguments are supposed to present only one side of the case.

[jewpinthethird]

See, the thing is, we didnt have any real reason to be in Iraq. Sure, they may have been a threat to US security, but North Korea isnt? The whole "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" thing was pretty much lies. They fact that the US LIED TO THE U.N. IS VERY VERY SAD. That says a lot about the administration.

Meanwhile, we have another country that we know for sure has weapons of mass destruction that CAN REACH THE WEST COAST FROM, and is willing to use them. But what does Bush care? <sarcasm>I mean, after all, all the west coast is is just hippies, chinks, gooks, japs, and beaners. </sarcasm>

Yes, it is good that Saddam is no longer in power. That is one less threat the US has to worry about. If the US managed to do it without lying, and pissing off the rest of the world, I would be fine with that. But a government that lies to its citizens is no government that I want to support.

Anyone remember anything about the Spanish-American war? You know, the war American started with Spain to free Cuba...and protect our sugar cane that was in their country. And the event that lead to the start of the war...you know, how "Spain" sank the US ship the Maine, killing all that was on board..well, it really wasnt Spain that sank it, actually it was a problem with the ammunition storage. But most believed it was Spain that did it.

Yeah, well, after we conquered Spain, we tried to set up democracy in Cuba, while at the same time taking their Sugar Cane to pay off our debts. Well, Cubans didnt like that, and cast out all American forces. Yeah, and then Spain became communist, and then you know some bad things happened like: the "Bay of Pigs", and the Cuban Missle Crisis.

For some reason, that sounds a lot like the events that are going on now....I dont know, someone smart once said "History repeats itself"....

And if you dont believe me, pick up a US history book.