The Dark Knight

[DJ_Swabber]

- Was super good.
Plus, I got shark kisses in between the intense scenes.

Though, it did feel like every BIG part(s) of the movie it could end there, but they were like: "OHH NO.. lets make it MORE and MORE intense."
/splosions

[super kid]

Grammy for Ledger? I think so.

[Afrombean]

regarding shox's spoiler:
You do know his coin is heads on both sides, right? He "makes [his] own luck". Usually, it's "good heads" and "bad heads". That's something else though, his "bad heads" wasn't anywhere near as distinct as it should have been in my opinion. In other portrayals it usually has large gashes, but this one just looked like any old coin that had been in circulation for a long time.

Also, his last flip was for whether or not he'd shoot the kid, right? Didn't that turn up bad heads, which is why Batman tackled him? I don't know for certain, I still haven't had a chance to go see it a second time yet. I'm hoping to get out to the imax sometime.

Yeah... Ledger's performance is DEFINITELY worthy of a GRAMMY. Or maybe an Emmy. At least a Peabody.

[Tokzic]

omg heith leger was amazing omg!!

are you kidding

the joker was well written and mediocrely acted

[Afrombean]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

are you kidding

the joker was well written and mediocrely acted

Oh?

(for the slow, the white sections are spoilers)

Please, then, tell us what areas had room for improvement. For the direction the character went, it was essentially perfect. The only part that I thought didn't really fit was when he told the story about his father cutting him, but that was later absolved when he told someone else that he had done it to himself; he wasn't being serious, he was joking with them, no matter how ironically he delivered the "why so serious" line. Honestly, I would have liked to have seen another scene like that, just to drive home the point, but it works well enough as is.

But then again, now that I think about it, that sort of thing is dipping into the double irony department and I do realize that most of you simply have no appreciation for it. Even so, the characterization and portrayal couldn't have been better, even if you didn't like the few ironic scenes.

Or maybe you would have rather had those scenes be delivered seriously? I hope not. Were you also bothered by his sarcastic clapping when the police were holding him and they announced that Gordon was going to be commissioner?

Like, honestly, I don't see how anyone who is a fan of the real Joker could not appreciate this. I think the only people who would even have a chance of not loving this are ones who have only ever seen the Joker in the campy TV series/movie, and Burton's 1989 Batman (who, incidentally, wasn't as far off mark as he could have been... ugh that TV show...).

[super kid]

Afrombean: I heard the clapping was improvised by Heath Ledger and the director rolled with it. I thought it was something the Joker would do.

[Afrombean]

Originally Posted by super kid

Afrombean:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I heard the clapping was improvised by Heath Ledger and the director rolled with it.

I heard this as well. Or rather, I believe I read it.

I thought i was something the Joker would do.

I think so as well. The only other thing which would be appropriate would be to congratulate him vocally and possibly cackle maniacally.

Another point that I haven't seen brought up a lot as an example of the greatness of the performance (spoiler below):
When he blows up the hospital. As if being in a dress wasn't enough, he did the "omg serious walk away" thing, paused, struggled with the detonator, then set off the rest of the explosives. And the way he did it was so perfect, so right. Often when people cite how great he is, they'll name the disappearing pencil scene. It is great, but I think this one hits the mark just as well. Another one that really nailed it for me was the scene at the end where he's just talking to Batman; the characterization couldn't have been more right.

[super kid]

All those parts were all good. I loved the hospital scene.
Also loved this part; Spoiler warning:Were we first walks in to crash the party. I also heard from my friend that Michael Cain was actually scared at this point in real life. lol. Also the part were he says " No I killed the bus drive" and when they ask "So you think you can just walk away with our money" and he replies "Yeah". Lol.

[Lightknight924]

We should all become super villians/heroes and terroize/protect the forum.


Edit* I call Riddler.

[Afrombean]

Originally Posted by djshox

two face murders robin so joker breaks batman's spine while batgirl shoots herself in the spine

uh dude, I'm pretty sure he got good heads on himself, then went back to the whole "lie to him, tell him everything is going to be alright" thing. I'm also pretty sure he flipped it and it came back bad heads. I might be mistaken, since like I said, I haven't gotten a second go at it yet, but I'm pretty darn sure he kept going after getting good heads on himself. Because the thing is Batman was like "no, don't blame him blame the people whose fault it is", so he first goes to Batman, then himself, then back to Gordon (although with gordon, he was attacking him by proxy of his son) Because they each hand a hand in it, although I do find it funny that Joker wasn't his first target (not counting his outburst in the hospital), although I suppose he would be too difficult to track down.

Man, I really hope I get to the imax to see this again soon. Does anyone know which scenes were filmed specifically for imax? I can't even begin to think of what it could be because the ones that would look best would probably be too risky of shots for the more expensive camera systems.

You know what, I think I'm going to give the theatre a call when I get home in the morning and find out when the next available showing is. It's funny... all this talk of sold out shows, when I went to the first showing Friday morning and the theatre wasn't even full. I guess I caught the crowd who couldn't make the midnight showing, but still wanted to see it early and also didn't mind getting up "early" to see it at 9:30AM.

[MalReynolds]

Yeah.

SPOILER:


Two face had already flipped for himself. It was for the son. And the outcome of the coin toss was good heads, as the coin hit the floor.

[NoTheyArentYouRetard]

He flips for Batman first, then himself, then the son. It wouldn't make sense for Batman to dive in as he's about to shoot himself and then knock him off the building! That would be like trying to save someone from drowning in a plastic water tank by unloading machine guns at it to blow air holes.

[MalReynolds]

He flips for Batman, shoots him. Puts the gun to his head, flips, survives. Puts the gun to Gordon's son's head, flips, but before he can catch the coin, Batman pushes the son and Harvey out of the way - off the building. The coin landing face up, to me, meant that Gordon's son lived. And probably would have lived, regardless.

EDIT: And Afrobean, the coin toss in the hospital counts. It was the first step in his killing spree.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

EDIT: And Afrobean, the coin toss in the hospital counts. It was the first step in his killing spree.

I guess what I should have said is that he gave up too easily. Notice the scene where he spares the mobster or whoever, then kills the driver as a frame of reference. I really liked how they handled that too, they left it open for him without allowing him to make multiple flips for the same act like they did in Batman Forever. That whole take on it in that one is pretty dumb in hindsight, because when you let him flip indefinitely, he'll just keep flipping until he gets the one that lets him do EVIL, which changes him from an interesting person to a one note shell of a character.

[NoTheyArentYouRetard]

The whole point of Two-Face's character is that his split personality makes him rely on the flip of a coin to make decisions for him. He accepts the outcome of the coin and does not question it. They messed up in Forever by making him continue to flip until he got a given outcome.

I'm glad they got Two-Face's character right in this movie. The scene where he has Gordon's family hostage is chilling... classic Two-Face

[Cursebred]

Oh, kids. Do not watch this movie. According to certain critics, this movie flies just south of an "R" rating because of violence.

[xThai]

This movie is amazing, Heath Ledger was just perfect as the joker.

[Telvanni_guard]

Originally Posted by Afrombean

Yeah... Ledger's performance is DEFINITELY worthy of a GRAMMY. Or maybe an Emmy. At least a Peabody.

Would it be the first person to win the award while deceased?

Curiousity.

[xThai]

Originally Posted by Telvanni_guard

Would it be the first person to win the award while deceased?

Curiousity.

Not sure, but I'm pretty sure he's going to win the award.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Telvanni_guard

Would it be the first person to win the award while deceased?

Curiousity.

He would be the second ever posthumous Oscar. Even posthumous nominations are rather rare, and the person being deceased at the time of voting for the award has been proven to be a detriment to the person's chances of winning. If you want further information on the subject, I am sure googling "posthumous oscar" would lead you to what you're looking for.

Notice: Oscar. Not Grammy. Not Emmy. Oscar.