TWG CLXI - Egregious Miscalculations GAME THREAD

[Hakulyte]

Well, all things considered that's still weird. It does hint at the same reasons as going from T-Force to Storn.

[mellonxcollie]

Alright I’m pretty much caught up with the thread.

so I definitely understand the suspicion surrounding Storn. During my reading of the thread several of his posts stuck out to me.

Originally Posted by storn42

charu

oh's are not contentful posts. and i cant tell whether or not i like you from them. post more content so you can be read like a cute snivy coloring book

Kinda seems like a soft call out from wolf to potential wolf partner. He put a bit of pressure on Charu in order to be able to read him better which is normal. But the way he said it seems like he wanted it to be easy to read Charu, like he was asking for a clear signal. And this is not the last time he mentioned Charu. He seemed to have a bit of a focus on Charu this game, as though he were trying to read him in a particular way.

Originally Posted by storn42

what i dont like is that recently we found the whole charu mindmelds with me as a woof when im town, this has been proven through the last game. Him trying a gimmik that makes him hard to read just kind of says something about that. This happens to be his first woof game (assuming he rolls woof) since that kind of came up.

This again gives vibes of softly calling Charu out. “Mindmelds with me as a wolf when I’m town”, obviously he is going to say that he is town. but he is implying Charu is a wolf “mindmelding” with him as town is bizarre. Seems more like a wolf would mindmeld with another wolf. And then he once again claims Charu is hard to read, urging Charu to give him some sort of signal.

I was getting these sorts of vibes from him yesterday while reading Day 0. I was trying to focus on these sort of potential wolf call outs from any player. Then comes along this freaking post

Originally Posted by storn42

Aight, so people seem to be confused (or atleast were) about the charu NK. Its as simple as this, on N1 you woof check your partners by NKing them to see if they die. If they dont, well either you are unlucky, or they are one of your parnters. If no kill happens you have more information to play with, and information is everything in this game. Cleary with the way charu was acting it would make sense that i would want to send a NK on him to make sure he isn't town. Seeing that he died, im less likely to try and defend him on accident thinking that he is a woof partner when he isn't. that said, still sucks for woofs that they nked the miller.

This is such a wolf mindset to have. First of all, he said “I” would want to send a NK and “I’m” less likely to defend a possible wolf partner. This is a slip if I’ve ever seen one. It’s possible that he was just super duper putting himself into the mindset of a wolf, but come on.

It’s possible storn is just outlining exactly what he actually did as a wolf in this game, hoping that everyone would assume he wouldn’t do something so obvious. I’ve done this as a wolf before.

I was having these feelings about him as I read the thread yesterday even before Charu died. Coupled with the way he was acting regarding Charu on D0, this post about Charu’s death is just too perfect. Signs point to Storn thinking of Charu as a potential partner. That post seems very well thought out from a wolf’s perspective and like storn has concrete knowledge of how the wolves chose their kill. The fact that it was Charu really doesn't look good for Storn

[Hakulyte]

The last game where I was with Storn was Fire Emblem and I somehow completely misread him.

Is there a way to know that this is more wolfy than towny from Storn?

I tend to town read him when he's acting wolfy like he's doing in these posts, but this is all meta.

Is there more to it that I just don't know?

[Hakulyte]

Actually, I really like your very last paragraph/explanation.

[mellonxcollie]

incoming effort posts about other things in a bit. I have a lot of other thoughts about things I'm just going to post em quick now and expand later when I have more time

I kept forgetting about dadcop during my reading. not sure what that says about dadcop or maybe my reading abilities

Pazzaz seems like they are trying to blend into the background intentionally.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I'm sure she could get away with it for 2 days worth of play since everyone appears to be ignoring that slot right now and I fully, fully expect her to take advantage of that.

I'm pretty sure the slot is red though so I don't expect her to even reply to me, or look in the thread at all until tomorrow. We'll see.

kinda sketchy to put false ideas into people's heads. Very negative attitude toward me right off the bat makes it seem like you're pushing an agenda. Having predetermined expectations in a game of werewolf is a good way to make bad reads. Or if you're a wolf it's a good way to push people without having to find anything they've done within the game

My town reads right now include Haku, AA and DFR. Freezin is seeming town too

[R.E. Aryxi]

That second paragraph i super agree with.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

This again gives vibes of softly calling Charu out. “Mindmelds with me as a wolf when I’m town”, obviously he is going to say that he is town. but he is implying Charu is a wolf “mindmelding” with him as town is bizarre. Seems more like a wolf would mindmeld with another wolf. And then he once again claims Charu is hard to read, urging Charu to give him some sort of signal.

ok, i like the mindset of this, but heres the thing to note. When charu is a woof and i am town, i like him WAY to much. Whenever i don't like him, its because he's also town. And i say mindmeld, which sounds weird but its true. there was a game where me and charu literally voted for the same person at the same time, out of nowhere. take my conversations as you will, but the charu mindmeld thing is 100% true and it can be quite annoying when it happens.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You should try to clarify both situations if possible. It's not something I ever paid attention to before and I'm curious about your own stance over yourself.

Well the way i see it is that i dont form stong opinions. I tend to sit back, and watch what happens, chiming in on anything i feel needs to be looked at or hasn't been commented on and needs to be. Eventually i find someone i really dont like and tunnel on them. Not saying i like that about myself, but its something i've come to realize. As a woof its pretty much the same thing. i look for what people are doing and try to read them for it, unless i have something strong on someone i tend to ignore them. My teamates tend to get undefended or even bussed by me, and sometimes that bus can be more of a train going into a tunnel.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by storn42

ok, i like the mindset of this, but heres the thing to note. When charu is a woof and i am town, i like him WAY to much. Whenever i don't like him, its because he's also town. And i say mindmeld, which sounds weird but its true. there was a game where me and charu literally voted for the same person at the same time, out of nowhere. take my conversations as you will, but the charu mindmeld thing is 100% true and it can be quite annoying when it happens.

You're basing your argument on something that is "100% true" from your point of view.
How can this be 100% true?

Originally Posted by storn42

Well the way i see it is that i dont form stong opinions. I tend to sit back, and watch what happens, chiming in on anything i feel needs to be looked at or hasn't been commented on and needs to be. Eventually i find someone i really dont like and tunnel on them. Not saying i like that about myself, but its something i've come to realize. As a woof its pretty much the same thing. i look for what people are doing and try to read them for it, unless i have something strong on someone i tend to ignore them. My teamates tend to get undefended or even bussed by me, and sometimes that bus can be more of a train going into a tunnel.

That makes sense, but it's not really alignment indicative. Still you answered the question and I didn't really expect more than that so, I'm fine with this post.

[dadcop2]

i'm still suspicious of storn as i was on d0, but who knows? my suspicion of t-force was completely fucking wrong so idk anymore. also @mellon i'm not sure if storn's post was actually a slip or if he was just discussing what a possible wolf strategy may be, but i wouldn't put that past him considering his possible slip when he said he 'wasn't getting mislynched'.

AA and MML u two need to shill down ok. r e l a x

time to do a giant electronics lab report, later gamers

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You're basing your argument on something that is "100% true" from your point of view.
How can this be 100% true?

its true because statistics say its true.

just a few games i can think of:

Last game: i didn't like charu he fliped town

random turbo i replaced into: Charu literally posting my thoughts as i read them, liked charu more. he was a woof

A TWG from a while ago: charu tried something super risky and got a pr killed for it. i didn't like charu, he flipped town

a TWG from longer ago: I was Vigi, charu posting things im thinking and literally us voting the same thing at the same time out of nowhere, he flipped woof.

This game: i didn't like charu's posting gimmick, he flipped town(ish).

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by storn42

its true because statistics say its true.

just a few games i can think of:

Last game: i didn't like charu he fliped town

random turbo i replaced into: Charu literally posting my thoughts as i read them, liked charu more. he was a woof

A TWG from a while ago: charu tried something super risky and got a pr killed for it. i didn't like charu, he flipped town

a TWG from longer ago: I was Vigi, charu posting things im thinking and literally us voting the same thing at the same time out of nowhere, he flipped woof.

This game: i didn't like charu's posting gimmick, he flipped town(ish).

I want you to read this post from my previous game.

#862

This is Neeee, "as a wolf" explaining to me why he's "town".

Look at what he's doing.
Look at what you're doing.

I think the very exact same thing is happening right now.

Can you explain to me why I'm wrong? (if I am)

[Hakulyte]

Just to be clear, I did not read all of your games and took the time to compare to check if what you said is true or not.

What I'm pointing at is that you are capable of changing how you play each time a new game starts.

So, why are you using previous games as a mean to convince us that you're not capable of changing ?

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I want you to read this post from my previous game.

#862

This is Neeee, "as a wolf" explaining to me why he's "town".

Look at what he's doing.
Look at what you're doing.

I think the very exact same thing is happening right now.

Can you explain to me why I'm wrong? (if I am)

if a square is a rectangle, does that make a rectangle a square?

If i dont like charu when i'm town he flips town.
Charu flipped town and i didn't like him. am i town purely based off of this?


I was merely saying me stating the fact that me and charu mindmeld when he is a woof and i am town is a thing that exists, and that fact being stated shouldn't be something to read me off of. And really, this would be a terribly weak argument for how strongly im being woof read.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Just to be clear, I did not read all of your games and took the time to compare to check if what you said is true or not.

What I'm pointing at is that you are capable of changing how you play each time a new game starts.

So, why are you using previous games as a mean to convince us that you're not capable of changing ?

just to make this clear, im not using this to defend myself. just wanted to explain something melon thought was weird (and to be fair it IS weird), not to rebuttal against his entire argument and show that im a good outstanding towny.

[AragakiAyase]

storn what about this

when you're town, more often than not you'll do something that I find pretty towny

when you're wolf, it doesn't happen as much (or doesn't happen)

you haven't done anything that I've found very towny this game, in fact I'd say your whole game has been pretty scummy

thoughts? and no, saying you're scummy every game is not an option because that's a copout

[AragakiAyase]

also mellon's posts are A+

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by storn42

if a square is a rectangle, does that make a rectangle a square?

If i dont like charu when i'm town he flips town.
Charu flipped town and i didn't like him. am i town purely based off of this?

Why do you post this.

Originally Posted by storn42

just to make this clear, im not using this to defend myself

..and follow up with this?

[FreezinIce]

Yo storn momentum is starting to slowly build up against you. If you want to get in front of this I'd suggest starting to build a case against someone who you think is more scummy than you are. Because at the moment i can't really find a post where you go hard on anyone. And R.E. id looking alot better than you by comparison and you two were my top scum going into today.

Quick thoughts/reads:

Annoying that I was pretty much ignored all last night, and nobody even acknowledged anything I said and the entire night was a shouting match. And when i posted what i thought was a good insight it got ignored, questioned, then ignored again after i substantiated it. AA and MML are in my town pile for today and I didn't need to read that entire asinine exchange to realize it.

Choof I felt really good about at eod yesterday and melon continuing right where he left off. Town

Dance is eh. Null read because he hasn't gone hard against anyone and has yet to put himself in harms way trying to play.

Haku giving vibes from last turbo and is sounding alot better than he did during his meltdown on d0. Town lean

Dadcop is null to slight scum. His content is pretty null and he doesn't have alot of interaction with other people which is kind of scummy in a game like this where it should be easy to do so.

DFR is slight town. Just alot of good posts and stuff I like.

Pazzazz is scum lean. Just playing utr with very little to show for this game.

Storn is strong scum or strange town. Just so much stuff he's posted where I'm like "no why would you say that. " It just keeps happening (if I wasn't on phone each of those words would be a link to a cringe storn post).

R.E. was crap on d0 but has had good stuff d1, enough to land him out of my scum lean and into null for now. He's one of the first people I will revisit d2 though and read everything he posted today to see if it still checks out depending on how this eod goes

[Hakulyte]

@ FreezinIce

I'm pretty much mindmelding with your read list if you're wondering where I'm standing.

Most of the hate I had on you D0 had to do with inactivity/hastiness.

I haven't really interacted with you much around the second half of D0, but you were looking a lot better at that point so, I didn't feel like you were a concern anymore.

I'm currently rereading the entire thread with the flips in mind.