Should drugs be illegal?

[MrGiggles]

LMFAO THIS THREAD BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ps has anyone mentioned Portugal yet?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...riminalization

I realize that there's more to it than just usage rates and HIV, but these results are not insignificant.

[Rubin0]

I don't have a problem with the legalization of drugs. I don't take them and it has nothing do with the legality of it. Apparently, drug abuse has been dropping significantly in Portugal since they decriminalized drugs. It's just like kids and alcohol. The man telling us we can't have it makes some people want it even more.

I also think that decriminalizing it can help the government regulate it. We would have a lot less street crime and many fewer innocent people dying because Jo Schmo had to get his heroine fix.

Finally, I completely support strict drug testing for jobs, sports, certain activities, etc. I think jobs should test their employees regularly. Drugs should be legal, but if you don't want drug addicts working for you, then so be it. I think driving should be limited for people that test positively for really hard core drugs and hallucinogens.


Edit: MrGiggles ninjad my portugal comment...an hour before I posted it. My bad.

[Patashu]

I can understand jobs, but why sports? If they're not under the influence at the time they're playing, what's the big deal?

[MayneWithoutModem]

Originally Posted by Patashu

I can understand jobs, but why sports? If they're not under the influence at the time they're playing, what's the big deal?

michael phelps

[Patashu]

lol

[remedy1502]

Originally Posted by Emo_Saur_

What's funny, I'm friends with many casual smokers. I'm a casual smoker myself, it's much more of a social thing. I have no problem with drugs: MDMA, Marijuana, Shrooms. The others, I do have a problem with. While MDMA and Shrooms can cause you to pretty much die via suicide or pure stupidity weed is not the same way what-so-ever. It's more of an eye opener for me, I honestly have appreciated music high or not since I started.


I think it should be legalized for your own personal growth, but I think selling/transporting it should still be illegal. You'll see rise in gardening supplies and such .

Sorry, but why the **** would anyone die on MDMA (aside from ODing, in which case, lol).
And I read your post like you think MDMA and shrooms and weed are the only drugs (personally I don't even consider weed a drug xD). What about cocaine? Or heroin? Ketamine? PCP? Obviously harder drugs will have more of an impact on your body, and possibly on people around you, depending on the drug. There's no way in hell that MDMA would really cause anything bad to happen to those around you; you might annoy them from bouncing around or something.
Then you get your dirty E. That's just dirty. You'll be more "up" on it than with MDMA, but dirty ****.
Friends on Ketamine is annoying. Cause if they're K-holing, and you're out somewhere, they quite possibly won't be able to walk straight, and won't know where they're going. Taking care of them is a bitch, cause you may be ****ed on something as well. (I say this only because the people I know who do K are people I know from the rave scene, and, let's be honest. You're at a rave; you probably aren't sober)

And now I honestly have no idea what I was trying to say with this post because ADHD thinking is lol. I think basically as long as you aren't pissing off other people while under the influence of _____, it's fine. You can put whatever **** you want in your body, just know that it's garbage.

tldr version: Do whatever the **** you want. Just don't piss people off while ****ed up.

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by virus003

you never said the upsides

explain why it should be legalized

I'm interested in your opinion.

Typically the argument for legalizing any drug is that you can bring it to the open markets, which drives the prices down and allows it to be taxed. When something becomes easily accessible, that means you won't see as many assaults/deaths associated with drug deals. Credit is a whole different animal in the black market, and it's oftentimes pretty grim. Legalizing drugs means no more situations where some poor soul owes someone $10,000, can't afford it, and winds up getting robbed/beaten/etc. Instead, you could just purchase the drugs at a much lower price from the public, legal markets. It can also be argued that fewer people in jail is a better thing. When you put someone in jail, he is not able to put any of his labor towards the economy in any way. He becomes a burden on society because taxpayers ultimately fund him. On top of that, if that person has a child, that child is now without a parent is statistically more likely to get into trouble. Legalizing the markets also means more jobs created in the wake of regulation and heightened demand and easily accessible distribution channels. Furthermore, it means bringing it to the public forefront in terms of education in terms of responsible usage.

While this all sounds great, it's an idealized view. There are problems inherent in a few of the facets I've brought up, whereas other facets are a bit more subjective/empirical, while others are plain unknown and depend on how regulation would be handled.

Marijuana isn't more harmful than smoking/alcohol. As I've mentioned, legalizing it would lower the price, provide tax revenues, cut down drug-deal disputes massively, free up the courts for other worthwhile matters, and cut funding away from potentially harmful drug dealers. There are also well-documented medical benefits to marijuana that many people currently take advantage of.

[EnR]

What about the people who sell weed? What are they going to do? I'm guessing nothing will change with who sells because they can still sell it cheaper than the government.

[Litodude]

Lmaooooo. I can't even read through this thread seriously Jesus Christ.

[scientific]

Originally Posted by Emo_Saur_

The others, I do have a problem with. While MDMA and Shrooms can cause you to pretty much die via suicide or pure stupidity weed is not the same way what-so-ever.

wow i missed this one hahahah

suicide is about the farthest thing on my mind when rolling...

[scientific]

i invite everyone to eat a bunch of good acid with close friends or alone and then get back to me

[MrRubix]

Salvia > acid any day

[scientific]

being delirious for 15 minutes and giggling is better than (possibly) having an intense introspective journey?

id rather be super spun out than smoke salvia again, theres no real thinking aspect to salvia its just a get-****ed-up drug

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by scientific

being delirious for 15 minutes and giggling is better than (possibly) having an intense introspective journey?

id rather be super spun out than smoke salvia again, theres no real thinking aspect to salvia its just a get-****ed-up drug

Eh I would say this isn't true -- comes down to personal preference. Then again, I've never used things like acid.

[StepmaniaGod6969]

I think grown drugs should be legal. EX. Marijuana, Shrooms. But made drugs, Ex. Cocaine, Acid, Meth, should remain illegal.

[Patashu]

just saying but that's kind of like being okay with abortion only in cases of rape or incest

[MrRubix]

lol

[fullmetal_alchemist027]

This thread is certainly interesting. Thanks for pointing out some of the pro's for MMJ legalization MrRubix, had a few I missed when talking to my friends.

Ive never done anything outside salvia, for the trip drugs, and I dont plan on it. Those are just a little...ehhh :/

As for legalization as a whole, I'd say naturally grown things, like MMJ, shrooms, salvia, should be made legal with restrictions, as to how much you can buy at a time, or how strong, etc

[RobertsonaIsBack]

LOL

[MrGiggles]

Originally Posted by StepmaniaGod6969

I think grown drugs should be legal. EX. Marijuana, Shrooms. But made drugs, Ex. Cocaine, Acid, Meth, should remain illegal.

Originally Posted by Patashu

just saying but that's kind of like being okay with abortion only in cases of rape or incest

I don't quite follow