08-1-2012, 09:32 AM | #41 |
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phelps: The woman who previously held the record for the most medals in the olympics wasn't a swimmer, but a gymnast, and she only got her medals over 3 olympics, not 4 like phelps.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...79914812dbb548 shiwen: Yeah, I was gonna say that there's ways to hide blood doping, there was an episode of House where some guy was just putting oxygen into his blood but was never caught, sounds like the link that rubix posted. Her arms moved really fast in the footage of her that I saw, if that means anything. I dunno, as much as cheating in sports is bad, there's a fine line for what is bad and what isn't. Like if an athlete is anemic and then takes iron supplements to get 'back up to normal', but what if their normal is to not absorb iron very well? It's acceptable to take the iron still. But what if an athlete's normal, (woman or man), testosterone level is abnormally low? It's not acceptable for them to take testosterone. We should just make the Bionic Olympics where anything goes as long as you use your own body and get over this whole cheating thing. (Yeah yeah, then there'd still be the question about what counts as 'your own body') women's synchro (diving): I watched that all yesterday while waiting for my car to get checked at the dealership, and it just reminded me why I don't like watching the sports which I like watching often; things like figure skating, gymnastics, and diving (the pretty ones!) where there's no definitive measure of performance. They chinese team (which I think probably should have won anyways), won by a landslide, but it really sucked that when on one of their dives, they showed us in slow motion, that they got quite out of sync, yet they got really good marks for synchronicity on that dive-higher than anyone else because the judges only base it on real-time. And then other pairs that looked very in sync but had sloppy dives (sloppy I guess-I really dunno what goes into a perfect dive), still got low scores for sync. And again, I'm not judge of dives, but all people can pretty much tell two people move the same at the same time, especially in slow motion. Honestly, it makes me want to do a study about how similar the two divers look alike (since the chinese divers looked very alike, same hair cut, same skin tone, same height and build...they looked more alike than any other team diving IMO) and see how much it correlates to syncronicity scores. Probably more than we'd like to admit. Of course, something like being the same height makes a lot of sense in being in sync, but hair cut and color certainly doesn't. I know, they try to be impartial, they take away the lowest and highest marks, they choose judges carefully from multiple countries, etc. But it still never seems to be enough. For instance, I went saw live the Canadian Figure Skating Championships (well, a large chunk of them), and they specifically skate people in order of how well they think they'll do (probably based on past performance). Worst people first, best last. That's like, the worst thing you can do if you're trying to impartially judge performance. I took advantage of the opening ceremonies and went camping at Mt. Carleton park, in the hopes that we could get one of the nice camp sites. It worked, but the following day it was still too crowded for my liking. |
08-1-2012, 11:19 AM | #42 |
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The problem is that Shiwen and her supporters are missing the point. IMO it's pretty much this:
China: "You're jealous." USA: "It's not jealousy, it's about fairness. When you have a statistically-anomalous performance, it's worth investigating." China: "Well, we didn't give Phelps any trouble for bagging eight golds in Beijing." USA: "Phelps has volunteered to all sorts of additional tests on his own accord, and there's nothing outrageously inconsistent in his progression." China: "Arrogant west! You just want to keep us down using an old mentality. Shiwen's passed all her drug tests." USA: "China has a spotty history in swimming when it comes to doping. Remember Le Jingyi? Same thing -- outrageous performances. People were accused of being racist back then, too. Le similarly passed her drug tests until she got nailed by a surprise test and got caught. Also, remember Yuan Yuan? In all, 32 Chinese swimmers were caught taking drugs in the 1990s, two of them twice. Just a few months ago, Shiwen's peer Li Zhesi got banned for getting caught using EPO." China: "Quit being biased." USA: "Look, a five second gain on your personal best is a wicked outlier, especially when you're beating Gold-medalist male equivalents in terms of speed. The only reason it matters that she's Chinese is that the Chinese have been caught doping multiple times before, including recently. That's not racist. That's just historical fact." Anyways, if Shiwen is indeed using EPO, odds are we won't know about it for a long while. Her blood samples won't ever test positive as of this point, and she's done swimming. |
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Oh, and if the Chinese need more examples of why we are suspicious of them, they can kindly consult the "world records" their women set in pretty much every distance (track) from 1500 meters and up in a span of a few weeks. http://trackandfield.about.com/od/wo...ld-records.htm Look at numbers 6, 9 and 11 (especially 11).
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08-1-2012, 01:00 PM | #45 |
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busted
it's like turning on j1 in stepmania and saying you got a huge skillboost outta nowhere h0h0h0
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08-1-2012, 01:26 PM | #46 |
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I wonder how many other people saw the nipple slip during the US vs. Spain underwater replay. It happened between first and second quarter. HAH! It was a little over 2 seconds!
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meanwhile @ olympic sandbagging
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/8-badmi...8571--oly.html
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Saw a video of it... it's like they weren't even trying to be subtle. Blatant sandbagging lmfao
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08-1-2012, 10:50 PM | #50 |
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no one can prove with 100% certainty that they were intentionally sandbagging!!! maybe they forgot how to move
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08-1-2012, 11:12 PM | #51 |
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Y'know, in chess tournaments they call this the Swiss Gambit. The idea behind this gaming of the system is to lose against a weaker player early on. Later on, the strongest players are beating on each other, while the gambitor is playing inferior opposition and thus hopes to sneak into the money that way.
Since chess has no knockout round in their competitions, this is less of an issue, but apparently the Chinese teams were trying to avoid playing their countrymen in the knockout rounds, the better to increase the country's medal count. If the goal was simply to win, this is just gamesmanship, but since this is the Olympics, sportsmanship is serious business. |
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Its annoying here in the states with NBC being the only local channel provider having rights to broadcast the Olympics. They repeatedly cut out parts of events just to make it "more thrilling". When I see gymnastics I want to at least see one of every rotation. We did not even see the US Mens team go onto the rings or the high bar. All we saw was pommel horse, floor routine and at least 30 minutes worth of commercials.
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men's singles table tennis gold medal match begins soon! check it out yo
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08-2-2012, 10:13 AM | #55 |
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canoeing is boring to watch lol
I'm excited to see basketball/tennis finals. only time I actually care about either those sports haha
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See, I want to see this but they have only showed water based sports, gymnastics and beach volleyball. Nothing else.
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08-2-2012, 01:06 PM | #57 |
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I'm sure the internet will accomodate any event that nbc isn't covering.
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08-2-2012, 02:36 PM | #58 |
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I'm aware. But, nothing beats sitting on the couch in the cold glow of the TV watching ping pong and having a beer.
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>Team USA Basketball vs. Nigeria
>49 point first quarter >156-73 final score >Carmelo Anthony scoring 37 for USA olympic record while shooting 10-12 from 3 point range >Overall shooting of over 71% and 29-46 from 3 >156 points beats all time olympic score of 138 by Brazil in 1988 isthisreallife.avi |
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