God. - Page 19

**devonin** · 08-5-2007, 10:48 PM

Ironically, your location (which I presume is connecticut) could also be read as being Critical Thinking, which really isn't where you are.

"I believe in X, if you don't, I don't care" is not an acceptable stance for CT. You need to care about the opinions of others.

Also...you need to check the entire thread...it's the only way to be sure (Like nuking from orbit in that respect)

Boatz · 08-6-2007, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by burningeyes88

I am sorry if I repeated anything anyone said, I didnt bother to check this entire thread.

Things you shouldn't say here.

I generally agree with what you're saying burnngeyes, but I do care about others' opinions. I have very good friends who are Catholics, despite how much I hate the idea of it. You can't think that everything you say will just be tkaen as true, cos it really won't be.

burningeyes88 · 08-6-2007, 11:24 AM

When I said I dont't care i meant you can believe what you want and I wont make fun of you for it or make fun of your religion or non religion.

redraver · 08-8-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hayatewillown

The following below is NOT written by me. It is written by [Anonymous]

I've been doing some thinking and I believe I have finally figured out the huge mystery without using resources such as the Bible. There is in fact a God, and doesn't take intellect to figure that out just common sense. You may also look to scientific proof that proves he exist. Einstein clearly stated that the universe had 3 very real and important factors; Space, Time, and Matter. All three make up our universe. So let's take a closer look at Time. Time has been around since the birth of our universe and is the most important factor of our lives and existence. God created the universe and since the universe requires time as a factor it clearly means that God created Time when he created our universe.

I dont know if this was previously addressed
but where is it proven that god Created our universe

Relambrien · 08-8-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redraver

I dont know if this was previously addressed
but where is it proven that god Created our universe

You know, when I said I'd love to see you come into CT and get ripped to shreds by those who actually know how to debate, I really did mean that you'll get ripped to shreds by those who actually know how to debate. If you continue in such a manner in this forum, things will not be pretty for you.

Now to actually respond, I say this: read the thread. That will answer your question.

xboxcreature · 08-12-2007, 09:29 PM

A lot of people seem to mix up religion and spirituality. Many scientists, athiests, etc. try to link things done by religion to disprove spirituality. Religion is the construct; the church system, clergy, ceremonies, rituals, etc. while spirituality is the connection between humans and God. The crusades was a war, wars are fought between two or more different organizations most often governments. After the start of the catholic church things turned horrible. The clergy, headed by the Pope, became an almost co-existing government system among nations having it's control in each nation from taxing to causing wars. The war was fought by the church and the "religion" (the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices) not by God, so why is all of the blame going to Him? The clergy claimed to have been told by God to do these things, but is it also not possible that they were corrupt in their positions of power and, as how the posession of power usually causes one to crave more of it, they just wanted more control. No clergyman was ever and none will ever be perfect. It's like the ol' saying goes "We're human, we're not perfect" The clergy are human, could they have wrongly used the Word of God to further enhance their new "government"?

All I'm saying is don't use the excuse of bad religion as a black mark on the spiritual nature of God...

UnsungDream · 08-13-2007, 12:08 AM

Okay. Before anyone even thinks about flaming me, I'm responding to this without reading the other comments.

My opinion, God is only existent in the belief and faith of mankind. Of course everyone has a different interpretation of God, for example, Allah and God. Then again, does God really exist for those people who don't believe in God? Does God answer the prayers of people who don't believe in him? I have yet to see anything like that happen. And if a person's prayers were answered, then is it really the work of God, or is it the willpower of the person praying and hoping. Of course, a person wouldn't sit back and wait for things to happen after praying, under belief (coming from my own family) that "God answers everyone's prayers, but you have to show that you really want it to be answered".

Well, feel free to reply if you want.

**devonin** · 08-13-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UnsungDream

Okay. Before anyone even thinks about flaming me, I'm responding to this without reading the other comments.

Nobody will flame you for not reading the rest of the thread, we'll just tell you that in CT, if you want people to give two ****s about your opinion, you show them the respect of reading theirs first.

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Then again, does God really exist for those people who don't believe in God?

If God exists, God exists. Your own personal belief to the contrary is irellevant. Ditto if God doesn't exist.

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Does God answer the prayers of people who don't believe in him? I have yet to see anything like that happen. And if a person's prayers were answered, then is it really the work of God, or is it the willpower of the person praying and hoping.

The most important gift God gave to humanity was free will, and a promise to allow huamns to exercise that will, to turn to him or turn from him as they wished. To think that the same God would -remove- your free will by directly changing the course of the universe -just because you asked nicely- is incredibly absurd to me.

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Well, feel free to reply if you want.

You say that like you could have opted to not let us reply *grin*

tobi14 · 08-13-2007, 11:37 PM

i think people only want god to exist so that they can believe that some all powerful being can fix all their problems or to have a scapegoat to blame all their own screw ups on

**devonin** · 08-13-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tobi14

i think people only want god to exist so that they can believe that some all powerful being can fix all their problems or to have a scapegoat to blame all their own screw ups on

I think you know almost nothing about how virtually every religion on Earth views God. Please do at least -some- basic research before you post in CT.

tobi14 · 08-13-2007, 11:54 PM

im well aware of other religions. im not saying i know everything about them. i based my statement on things i already know and things ive seen in other people

**devonin** · 08-13-2007, 11:59 PM

"I think people want X because Y" That's one heck of an absolute statement to make about people when you are only referring to specific cases of adecdotal evidence.

tobi14 · 08-14-2007, 12:02 AM

i didnt say it had 2 b absolute..but i suppose i didnt say it wasnt either. but meh. posting in a critaical thinking forum was a bad idea considering my age and no desire for research and continuing to post has turned out to b a worse one

**Calcium Deposit** · 08-14-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tobi14

I didn't say it had to be absolute, but I suppose I didn't say it wasn't either. Posting in the Critical Thinking forum turned out to be a bad idea considering my age and that I don't desire to do research. Continuing to post in this forum has turned out to be a worse idea.

In any forum, please use proper spelling and grammar, no "text speak".

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I didn't say it had to be absolute, but I suppose I didn't say it wasn't either.

Absolute statements are okay if you can back them up with evidence.

As a side note:

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bad idea considering my age

Any age is welcome, so long as it isn't breaking the forums' rules, and so long as you are mature enough to debate in civilized manner.

Flyleef · 08-14-2007, 04:17 PM

I've seen God many times. He's pretty cool. (abstract, no bs)

purebloodtexan · 08-14-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyleef

I've seen God many times. He's pretty cool.

No retards allowed in CT.

Flyleef · 08-14-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

No retards allowed in CT.

In his abstract form. I'm not a retard, alright? I was serious. I've seen him in my dreams many times, and he has conversations with me.

purebloodtexan · 08-14-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyleef

In his abstract form. I'm not a retard, alright? I was serious. I've seen him in my dreams many times, and he has conversations with me.

I'm treating you as if you have the same capacity of intelligence as your posts do, and just about all of those that dwell in CT are going to. Unless you can post something that keeps the debate going, click on "New Posts" and move on.

Flyleef · 08-14-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

I'm treating you as if you have the same capacity of intelligence as your posts do, and just about all of those that dwell in CT are going to. Unless you can post something that keeps the debate going, click on "New Posts" and move on.

Sorry, I was being stupid, seriously. Sorry about that.

Master_of_the_Faster · 08-14-2007, 07:36 PM

What use is it to even bother trying to say something like "I met god last night while he was mowing the lawn" or "God told me not to kill other people" when many people in critical thinking will not even acknowledge such statements without any evidence? Even though I highly doubt that any of these type of statements are true, if there is enough evidence, I can always change my views.

08-5-2007, 10:48 PM	#361
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: God. Ironically, your location (which I presume is connecticut) could also be read as being Critical Thinking, which really isn't where you are. "I believe in X, if you don't, I don't care" is not an acceptable stance for CT. You need to care about the opinions of others. Also...you need to check the entire thread...it's the only way to be sure (Like nuking from orbit in that respect)

08-12-2007, 09:29 PM	#366
xboxcreature FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wentzville, MO Age: 32 Posts: 33	Re: God. A lot of people seem to mix up religion and spirituality. Many scientists, athiests, etc. try to link things done by religion to disprove spirituality. Religion is the construct; the church system, clergy, ceremonies, rituals, etc. while spirituality is the connection between humans and God. The crusades was a war, wars are fought between two or more different organizations most often governments. After the start of the catholic church things turned horrible. The clergy, headed by the Pope, became an almost co-existing government system among nations having it's control in each nation from taxing to causing wars. The war was fought by the church and the "religion" (the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices) not by God, so why is all of the blame going to Him? The clergy claimed to have been told by God to do these things, but is it also not possible that they were corrupt in their positions of power and, as how the posession of power usually causes one to crave more of it, they just wanted more control. No clergyman was ever and none will ever be perfect. It's like the ol' saying goes "We're human, we're not perfect" The clergy are human, could they have wrongly used the Word of God to further enhance their new "government"? All I'm saying is don't use the excuse of bad religion as a black mark on the spiritual nature of God...

08-13-2007, 12:08 AM	#367
UnsungDream FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 14	Re: God. Okay. Before anyone even thinks about flaming me, I'm responding to this without reading the other comments. My opinion, God is only existent in the belief and faith of mankind. Of course everyone has a different interpretation of God, for example, Allah and God. Then again, does God really exist for those people who don't believe in God? Does God answer the prayers of people who don't believe in him? I have yet to see anything like that happen. And if a person's prayers were answered, then is it really the work of God, or is it the willpower of the person praying and hoping. Of course, a person wouldn't sit back and wait for things to happen after praying, under belief (coming from my own family) that "God answers everyone's prayers, but you have to show that you really want it to be answered". Well, feel free to reply if you want.

08-13-2007, 11:37 PM	#369
tobi14 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 17	Re: God. i think people only want god to exist so that they can believe that some all powerful being can fix all their problems or to have a scapegoat to blame all their own screw ups on

08-13-2007, 11:54 PM	#371
tobi14 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 17	Re: God. im well aware of other religions. im not saying i know everything about them. i based my statement on things i already know and things ive seen in other people

08-13-2007, 11:59 PM	#372
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: God. "I think people want X because Y" That's one heck of an absolute statement to make about people when you are only referring to specific cases of adecdotal evidence.

08-14-2007, 12:02 AM	#373
tobi14 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 17	Re: God. i didnt say it had 2 b absolute..but i suppose i didnt say it wasnt either. but meh. posting in a critaical thinking forum was a bad idea considering my age and no desire for research and continuing to post has turned out to b a worse one

08-14-2007, 04:17 PM	#375
Flyleef FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 401	Re: God. I've seen God many times. He's pretty cool. (abstract, no bs) __________________ No matter how many times the colors of the seasons change, these feelings will never wither, swaying like a flower If this is just a dream, then let it be a dream. I don't care. My heart, filled with loving radiance Is forever thinking of you. These words that we play are a pleasant melody All I want is to have you by my side, so that I won't lose my smiling eyes even on a night when we can't see the twinkling of the stars. Last edited by Flyleef; 08-14-2007 at 05:49 PM..

08-14-2007, 07:36 PM	#380
Master_of_the_Faster FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Storm Sanctuary! Posts: 255	Re: God. What use is it to even bother trying to say something like "I met god last night while he was mowing the lawn" or "God told me not to kill other people" when many people in critical thinking will not even acknowledge such statements without any evidence? Even though I highly doubt that any of these type of statements are true, if there is enough evidence, I can always change my views.

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