TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Celirra

@MML, thanks for giving a reads list, that's been pretty... uncommon this game unfortunately.

I can understand the Blind and Xel scum reads, Blind I don't particularly agree with I don't think but know why you think that, and Xel for reasons we already kind of covered, but I'm curious about the rest.


Also curious why you're able to put Freezin as non-lynch, and DBP as anything but null (I've got both as [need to see more to say] and null right now, respectively)

Oh hey a post

No one is giving a reads list because I was the first and got scum read for it so duh no shit no one is doing it. It's super anti town though. Reads list get people talking.

Xiz for being different and he hasn't come back and made me feel better. Yeah, he has a legit excuse for being afk but when you leave with me feeling uneasy then I am still gonna be uneasy

I literally explained why I was reading you that way in that post.

Freezin I have played with many, many times. He is not near as aggressive as wolf on d0, and he legit seems like he wanted to further the game. The lynch all inactives strat is pretty stupid in most situation but he makes that suggestion as town all the time. As wolf, he isn't normally around long enough to make that argument (He'll just vote for the lowest point count and bounce). Not only that, but everyone who jumped off of Lightknight saying it was too easy a lynch look better. There where three who did and two of them are dead town. As far as I'm concern that makes him super clear.

Does he need to say more? hell yeah. He shouldn't get lazy, but at this point its down to rather or not I respect his post and not rather or not I vote him.

DBP is pure, 100% meta read. He came back three times that day and he doesn't as wolf normally. Now what he was saying was hit or miss (many more misses imho) but he was here and that's enough to make me feel like he can have a little leanway.

Now if he drops off the map we can revisit him, or if he says some seriously stupid shit, but with so many scumleans already there's not a point to worrying about him.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by Celirra

It was mentioned that claiming in this game is a poor decision.
I think it was InD or MML or... someone who mentioned that there's a chance of a name guesser? Maybe that's part of why?

Are you trying to passively get people to claim to make your role easier?

Originally Posted by Celirra

actually I think it was kind of dumb of me to be aggressive to manti there when I'm not even 100% sure of what a name guesser would do etc, but the info could be useful maybe and maybe that's why it was mentioned role claiming was a bad idea?

Just following up on this because it needs to be abundantly clear:

If you are a blue and you are about to be lynched, you claim. You do it because lynching a comfirmable blue is the worst thing we can do as humans, and because it forces the wolves to nightkill the blue, at the very least.

Additionally, in a mystery game, it is up to us to figure out the setup. We don't know what a claim would do, but Nakah claiming there when he was going to die anyway would have helped up discern how exactly claiming a role gets punished, which we can use later on.

Better to figure out the rule kinks earlier then later.

[DarkManticoreX2]

I mean, we lost a role seer with LK, and that should never ever happen.

[MixMasterLar]

Manti you got any comments about the wagons or did I miss them?

[Celirra]

Oops, my bad, missed it somehow. Fair enough as a whole

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Oops, my bad, missed it somehow. Fair enough as a whole

Your turn brohan lets get an updated reads list from ya

[Celirra]

Let's see....


It's hard to go off much because so far this day has been pretty.... quiet


Anyone not mentioned is null.


DarkManti is hard to go off of, as he's either using facts and picking specifically to help and clarify issues without causing too much fuss, or he's being relatively quiet and only talking if he feels he needs to to avoid discretion against him, and him clearing things up in the way he has been is more to make him seem relevant. If memory serves, most of what he has said isn't terribly... new info per se, so I'd lean him scum before I lean him town right now.

I have trouble seeing MML/Blind as T/W based on their interactions; I'd sooner lean them TT than WW because it felt fairly genuine from both sides.

InD I'm still iffy on for d0's actions that I mentioned, but his d1 so far has been clean and made me less confident.

Xel is still fishy for same reasons as I said EoD d0

Waiting to hear more from others before saying more; also can't read Wayward Raekobond yet for reasons I think are fair (make a good impression bub)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

on phone atm but I am going to pull a sunfan and suggest we read roundbox's reads list because he flipped town

I know you're with Eva right now (I think still?), but I feel like you could do a bit better than just this. I don't think it means anything, but it does seem kind of low effort.

[Celirra]

Forgot Tiloco; I'm less confident than I was with him yesterday, not really regretting not putting my vote on him yet, but still not as comfy as I was yesterday.

[Celirra]

I still feel like I'm forgetting someone, if you want specifics for anyone let me know but good chance it'll just be null.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Wayward Raekobond

Raeward Vagako

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Manti you got any comments about the wagons or did I miss them?

Which wagons? The EOD ones?

[MixMasterLar]

I obviously have nothing to add to that reads list other then it's pretty middle of the road, half-prepping-top-be-wrong sounding in too many parts but thanks

I'd like everyone to make a reads list TBH it's far enough that I don't want to hear "too many nulls to make one" and we should all figure out where we stand.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Which wagons? The EOD ones?

Yep

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Raeward Vagako

I was thinking of the Raeward angle, but couldn't find a good place for the Ko

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Which wagons? The EOD ones?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Yep

[MixMasterLar]

Damn Manti you where like, right there


Right there you couldn't blurb out 2 lines of text for me?

shit man

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Wayward Vagabond has replaced mellonxcollie effective immediately

Raeko.

YOU HAD ONE JOB.

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

according to my Big Book Of Rules

no

Lynch all liars.

[DarkManticoreX2]

I mean, as far as the LK wagon goes, I think LK contributed to his own wagon by not making a push in another direction. I mean, this is his counterpush as a seer:

Originally Posted by Lightknight924

I'm going to leave my vote on DabackPack, because I feel that I'm being pushed against strongly, and that it's a deliberate move coordinated by the wolves to pile votes onto me. I'm not saying for sure that dabackpack is a wolf, only that he is a catalyst in a mislynch, if you guys choose to lynch me. I honestly don't have more to provide than this.

There's very little effort here, I expect a human to be able to put a counterwagon on the table that's backed by some personally developed thoughts and WANT THAT PERSON DEAD mentality. We didn't get anything along those lines. we got "DBP might not be a wolf, but he's def catalyst in my mislynch." This kinda moved me to think LK might be a wolf who was not putting in effort and wanted to skate through the game.

Wagon that killed LK was You, Me, Cel and InDHeart. Of those four, I kinda like Cel and InD, for reasons of organic thought throughout the game (I will revisit this throughout the day phase). I know i like myself, so if there was a wolf on the LK wagon I'd go with Lar.

Votes were really weak at EOD, would be hard to believe there wasn't a wolf on the LK bandwagon, but it's possible since it only took 4 to lynch.



The only other main wagon was Tiloco, and he stelth pushed the LK wagon from the sidelines see:

Originally Posted by tiloco217

his responses to questions have been god awful the past few hours. Like insanely awful

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I have no idea why anyone would play like light is right now as either alignment. I don't even know if it's town or mafia sided to be responding so incorrectly

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I don't think there is any world were light doesn't get lynched today but I stand by Xel being the best lynch

Originally Posted by tiloco217

the only thing that might make light better is that xel is more likely to contribute later I think

He never voted LK, despite Xel never developing a wagon, so i could see this being a bait onto LK to let players know he's thinking about lynching LK, but doesn't want to get his hands dirty ploy.

I also find it weird how tokzic was in the thread, agreed with roundbox on the tiloco read, and then sat on DBP the rest of the phase. Like, don't you move over to tiloco if you agree with the read and tiloco is a lynchable candidate? Could see tokzic/tiloco W/W pair.

/Wagon thoughts

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Damn Manti you where like, right there


Right there you couldn't blurb out 2 lines of text for me?

shit man

Sorry, next time i'll provide less detail for your bitchass.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Tiloco