TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

That was going to be my plan if I hadn't gone balls out with purple when I was chaos wolf. I'm still inclined to think that InD was the guardian and Jrodd may have been chaos wolf

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

If Jrodd had been targeted by Xiz he would have flipped pink, not purple. Purple is a colour that is not even in the setup.

Just pointing out that I actually used the color you chose, in responding to your post. (:

On a more serious note, posts like this are exactly what are making me skeptical of you. Like, you come back after being gone all day and drop a joke, a(n) (in)correction that isn't relevant to the setup, and then say "are we waiting on anything? everyone's shown up and dropped a few cents".
This is literally triggering my trauma of the last few games you've UTR wolfed.

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Just pointing out that I actually used the color you chose, in responding to your post. (:

On a more serious note, posts like this are exactly what are making me skeptical of you. Like, you come back after being gone all day and drop a joke, a(n) (in)correction that isn't relevant to the setup, and then say "are we waiting on anything? everyone's shown up and dropped a few cents".
This is literally triggering my trauma of the last few games you've UTR wolfed.

Lol no last game I chose purple, a colour that was not in the setup, and V flipped that colour right before the game ended. Read the last game cause I am correct sorry ^^

Meno made that dropping two cents post??? not me??? Uh

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

On a more serious note, posts like this are exactly what are making me skeptical of you. Like, you come back after being gone all day and drop a joke, a(n) (in)correction that isn't relevant to the setup, and then say "are we waiting on anything? everyone's shown up and dropped a few cents".
This is literally triggering my trauma of the last few games you've UTR wolfed.

Sorry. Just realized bolded part was Meno. Carry on sharing your thoughts, my bad.
67 minutes to midnight, one page and four questions left to write/answer. WISH ME LUCK dammit

[mellonxcollie]

More girls need to play TWG if y'all are getting confused about pink vs purple vs magenta lmao

[Hakulyte]

Yeah, but Xiz wanted to lynch raeko D0 and it's triggering my cripping trauma as well because it makes no sense for him to buss raeko D0.

According to my wildest fantasies, Xiz didn't care about Xel because Xel was town and his main focus was probably to get away with his Pink Ranger claim.

If there's some next level play here, be my guest, but I'd be shocked if he pulled that as well.

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Sorry. Just realized bolded part was Meno. Carry on sharing your thoughts, my bad.
67 minutes to midnight, one page and four questions left to write/answer. WISH ME LUCK dammit

GOOD LUCK!! Why are you in TWG right now lol

[Hakulyte]

tl:dr; I think the game is already auto between Shado and meno.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Lol no last game I chose purple, a colour that was not in the setup, and V flipped that colour right before the game ended. Read the last game cause I am correct sorry ^^

Oh. I wasn't arguing that the color was purple, I was only saying I used the term you used to refer to the color. I guess the color changed since last game, but I've always assumed it was pink due to the Pink Ranger role.

What I meant about posts like your "correction" are that they contribute nothing to the game aside from the appearance of contribution, hence my UTR comment. I thought you had done that and then tried to rush EoD, but it was Meno who did that second part.

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh. I wasn't arguing that the color was purple, I was only saying I used the term you used to refer to the color. I guess the color changed since last game, but I've always assumed it was pink due to the Pink Ranger role.

No... the colour did not change between the games.

Imagine "brown" instead of "purple" if you want. The colour I chose had NOTHING to do with pink. It was a completely random outside the game colour.

Anyways you're right about this being irrelevant, just trying to make you understand haha

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Yupp. We're waiting for the end of the phase (or at least closer to it). Why so insta happy?

I'll go ahead and blame my German roots and say that I dislike us being inefficient with our time.

Quite literally, nothing's going to change unless someone else solves the game in a radically different and logical way. The rest of the day is going to be 75% shitposting and 25% circular arguments.

Shado, raeko, V, up for independently solving the game? Otherwise, let's get our vote on.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I concede that I didn't take Chaos Wolf into account, but you realize that if there's no Chaos Wolf in this game, my world is suddenly fairly likely?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

tl:dr; I think the game is already auto between Shado and meno.

sigh no, it's not fairly likely.
Look, in almost every world I've considered, there is a chaos wolf in this game. In almost every world where j-rodd is wolf, he was the chaos wolf, and in every world (except one) where he is town, he was chaos-wolfed to turning gray.

What I'm trying to figure out is which of those j-rodds is more likely. And, if j-rodd was town, then that paints a pretty big question mark over you. It also doesn't help that you've been ignoring my posts.
Read and respond to #1850 and #1865, please.

K I'm testing the limits here by not focusing on hw, so I'll be gone til midnight for sure.

[Hakulyte]

Going to sleep and wait for V to come back for this one.

I just feel like the large pool of Chaos Wolf worlds doesn't lead to anything outside of stagnating the game.

Of course, you all 3 like to talk about it so, enjoy yourself.

meno, please unvote for now because insta at 3 is very dumb especially if you forget you had a vote and something happens.

[meno_rocks123]

I'll unvote at your request, but rest assured I'll just put it back on shado when the time comes unless something BIG comes up.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

sigh no, it's not fairly likely.
Look, in almost every world I've considered, there is a chaos wolf in this game.

Haku:
"This forest has a lot of bananas."
"Do you think this forest is more likely to have bananas as the highest concentration of fruits?"

Shado:
"Look, in every forests I've considered, there is always oranges in this game."

smh

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Going to sleep and wait for V to come back for this one.

I just feel like the large pool of Chaos Wolf worlds doesn't lead to anything outside of stagnating the game.

It's only stagnating the game if you refuse to consider it. It's weird that you refuse to consider it after seemingly wanting to talk about everything else, including crazy worlds the definition of magenta, and forests full of bananas.

I'm not going to let this go, so don't think ignoring me will keep attention focused where you want it. Please read and respond to #1850, and the top of #1865! They're directly addressing you, and been ignored since 6 hrs ago despite my prompting you to them.

[Hakulyte]

Refer to #1878 "#4" for questions as to why I priorize you over the others for your #1865.

This is #1850

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I really doubt any world where chaos wolf died with Xiz, and I doubt Aryxi would know to turn himself pink (he died thinking Xiz claimed green)

What does that changes?

Uhm.. Why? If who were both wolves? Even by your own reasoning, wouldn't have killing V been impossible before his final shot?

I said it was wrong in another post like 2-3 posts right after it.


^seriously impossible

N0.

From your perspective (assuming you're not lying about AA), the Chaos Wolf has to be exactly jrodd, or jrodd is town.
If chaos wolf was alive, they would have flipped jrodd green (if he's a wolf), or gray (if he was town).
See where I'm coming from?

he could have flipped grey or grey as well, but it would make more sense to swap him to green. (assuming the chaos wolf even knew he could flip someone else green)

Both are possible, but mathematically speaking, I don't see how you would deal with priorizing a lynch order based on this because of the possibility of simply having any other role than Chaos Wolf as the last wolf.

[Hakulyte]

mfw you're all online at 3:30 am.

[meno_rocks123]

You're not alone. His rebuttals are coming from inside the house.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Refer to #1878 "#4" for questions as to why I priorize you over the others for your #1865.

...are you even playing anymore?
I've seen you crumble like this before. You a wolf, Haku?

You're ignoring my questions until forced to respond, and when you do, you're referring me back to #1795 (#1878 is just a quote of #1795), telling me to refer to it for questions as to why you prioritize me as wolf, even though I've already answered all those "questions" and was responding to you saying "I just cannot remove tunnel vision from Shado this phase because in every scenarios where he's right, he's still the most interesting vote for me."

Here, I'll do numbers so you don't have a choice but to respond:

1. I addressed your "questions" form #1795 in #1809

2. Your entire basis for deducing me as wolf relied on the absolute non-existence of a Chaos Wolf. You said it was impossible for there to be a Chaos Wolf, and that j-rodd is never CW or VT because his flip is gray, and called it a slip that I thought there could be one in 1813.
When I was proven right here, and in every other factual point we've discussed since (see 1827, 1840, and read my posts addressing you, please), you said you were going afk because you were tired of being potentially wrong about everything.
When you came back, you said "Even with a Chaos Wolf in this game;
1.) He's already dead.
2.) I'm still voting Shado here because of how interactions/actions went overall."
and went right back to the same tinfoil you've had from the beginning, except now with your entire basis for thinking it was me (no CW), refuted.

3. Now that I think about it, it's really shady how you said "he's already dead" about Chaos Wolf, as a statement of fact, before moving onto voting me. It's like you don't care whether your logic is sound or not, you just want me dead.

4. The more I read this, "Hakulyte (yes, we're talking about me here) is the reason why AragakiAyase got killed.

- My Day 3 Adversary happened to be AragakiAyase. It was a terrible choice, but it happened.
- A wolf must have targeted me because they still had 2 wolves alive.
- I thought 2 wolves were dead and I was wrong.
- I believe I got targeted by a wolf. Wolves cannot target other wolves. This should clear me again."
The less I believe it. Aren't you the one who said to never pick AA/Vendetta as our allegiances at EoD? Aren't you the one who used that to confirm that there was only one wolf yesterday? Why did you choose him? I'm not gonna be satisfied with, "it was a terrible choice, but it happened"
Why did you keep silent about it all through last phase, and use it to confirm that there was only one wolf?

5. You "responded" to 1850:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

What does Aryxi dying while thinking he's pink change? If he were Chaos Wolf, he'd have to choose his color after dying, and Aryxi COULD NOT HAVE CHOSEN PINK.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

he could have flipped grey or grey as well, but it would make more sense to swap him to green. (assuming the chaos wolf even knew he could flip someone else green)

Both are possible, but mathematically speaking, I don't see how you would deal with priorizing a lynch order based on this because of the possibility of simply having any other role than Chaos Wolf as the last wolf.

What are you even saying here? I said, "From your perspective (assuming you're not lying about AA), the Chaos Wolf has to be exactly jrodd, or jrodd is town.
If chaos wolf was alive, they would have flipped jrodd green (if he's a wolf), or gray (if he was town).", how does your response change that?

Also, what mathematics are you speaking about, because it sure doesn't look like you're using any. It seriously feels like you're just throwing shit at me just to throw shit at me, and that doesn't look very good for you tbh.

[ShadoWolfe]

After re-reading this phase to bring up why I've been frustrated with Haku, I've come to the conclusion that
a) if j-rodd is town, Haku is almost certainly the wolf. The only reason I add "almost" is because he legitimately seemed to not know the role.
b) the above point is likelier than I initially gave it credit for because of how dubious Haku's allegiance claim is, and how he's spent the entirety of this phase stuck on one point, even contradicting himself along the way just to remain fixated on it.
c) Haku's response to j-rodds flip was an immediate attempt to clear himself, which, in retrospect, is not nearly as good of a look as I thought it was.
d) j-rodd is probably town, because Xiz/j-rodd/? does not make nearly as much as much sense Xel/j-rodd/?, considering Xel's red flip and the unlikelyness of a vigi in the lack of a N0 nightkill

d) If j-rodd is wolf, he was almost certainly the Chaos Wolf.
e) the reasoning for the above lies in Xel's flip. If Xel was vigi, then the chances of no N0 nightkill are incredibly low. Therefore, he must either have chaos wolfed (unlikely considering he was lynched), or a wolf himself.


I'm now nearly 100% that the last wolf is in Haku/meno.
I would still like to see more from Raeko (her brief return earlier did little to assuage my concern of her being UTR), but I'm pretty confident it isn't her.