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To add to that, in 14 he never really defended himself that strongly when it was his turn on the chopping block, but he did fight hard for guido two days prior to that.
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05-9-2005, 06:17 PM | #162 |
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I looked at all of them, nothing really stood out. This is the first time alain's been a wolf and doesn't have the whole fake seer thing against him. The only time he's had to fight against a ton of votes for an instalynch was when he was human, and acted calmly. Best bet is this is how alain acts when he's a wolf, unless he's changed the way he responds to things. One way or another, he's definitely scrambling to save himself and his only defense is that i'm too ignorant to believe that he's not lying to me. I'm not going for it, my vote remains.
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I'm posting this because in this conversation with Whorli, I am all too concerned by the way she does not feel the need to justify her vote. I know nothing, if she's blue and in on the alliance or something and thinks she therefore has immunity to caring about the game, but I take such ambiguity in conviction wolfish, It's absolutely classic, and never changes. Whorli takes my vote, and poses, in my eyes, the alternative that so many people are lazy to find, even if they no longer think voting me is the best option. I certainly hope that after my efforts, my justification has been understood.
I've started using time stamps because the speed of response makes all the difference in a conversation. NEIGH006 (11:07:51 PM): are you there? Auto response from WhorliChan (11:07:52 PM): i love my mishpucha WhorliChan (11:07:58 PM): sort of WhorliChan (11:08:00 PM): what's up? NEIGH006 (11:08:03 PM): Well NEIGH006 (11:08:13 PM): Other than Eva, you have the most contempt for me in TWG WhorliChan (11:08:21 PM): i have no contempt for you NEIGH006 (11:08:24 PM): and I want to ease your suspitions WhorliChan (11:08:27 PM): i just think you are very very suspicious NEIGH006 (11:08:30 PM): I used the wrong workd NEIGH006 (11:08:32 PM): *word NEIGH006 (11:08:48 PM): you have the most conviction against me then NEIGH006 (11:09:01 PM): Eva doesn't have anything but spite really WhorliChan (11:09:06 PM): ok, because i am at this point convinced that you are wolfenstein. NEIGH006 (11:09:19 PM): how come? WhorliChan (11:10:07 PM): fishy fishy! you and aperson seem to be so chummy (and i've seen your rebuttals to this, so don't start) and we know he was a wolf NEIGH006 (11:10:09 PM): sorry if I just invited you to a chat WhorliChan (11:10:22 PM): for 14? wtf, mate NEIGH006 (11:10:31 PM): yeah, I put the wrong one WhorliChan (11:10:47 PM): you're not acting like yourself, as you have seemed to act in other games WhorliChan (11:10:58 PM): i mean, what do you want me to say, really? call it a hansian gut instinct. NEIGH006 (11:11:12 PM): in other games I have been a wolf NEIGH006 (11:11:17 PM): how can you say I'm not acting like myself NEIGH006 (11:11:26 PM): and I can't deny that I seemed very close to ap WhorliChan (11:11:39 PM): so you're saying you're acting like yourself, which is a wolf? NEIGH006 (11:11:40 PM): I talked to him alot, because he required me to justify myself to him NEIGH006 (11:11:52 PM): I'm saying I'm acting like I used to act NEIGH006 (11:11:56 PM): when I was a human NEIGH006 (11:12:05 PM): I outlined my behaviour in this game NEIGH006 (11:12:08 PM): relative to past games NEIGH006 (11:13:40 PM): gut instincts are usually based on your subconscious picking up on cues that you can't consciously place. NEIGH006 (11:13:58 PM): but even your subconscious can misinterpret things NEIGH006 (11:14:13 PM): Hans is different, he get's feelings before the game even starts WhorliChan (11:16:07 PM): hans is speshul WhorliChan (11:16:15 PM): i'm not going to change my vote tonight WhorliChan (11:16:21 PM): and you're highly likely to get insta'd NEIGH006 (11:16:27 PM): yeah no kidding NEIGH006 (11:16:39 PM): and I don't want to die because people are to lazy to look for a better target WhorliChan (11:17:08 PM): i'm not lazy. i believe in my convictions WhorliChan (11:17:13 PM): and now it's family time again... WhorliChan (11:17:18 PM): good night NEIGH006 (11:17:26 PM): I would appreciate the chance to discuss your convictions NEIGH006 (11:17:31 PM): rather than your certainty of them NEIGH006 (11:17:35 PM): the reasons behind them WhorliChan (11:17:37 PM): ok. i should be back before midnight. WhorliChan (11:17:42 PM): pst, that is NEIGH006 (11:17:53 PM): I have to go in 45 minutes WhorliChan (11:17:59 PM): i have to go NOW NEIGH006 (11:18:07 PM): allright, don't worry about it Orli WhorliChan (11:18:11 PM): so, continue im'ing if you think you can convince me WhorliChan (11:18:16 PM): i'll read it when i get back NEIGH006 (11:18:36 PM): Everything I had to say in my defense is in the thread. NEIGH006 (11:18:41 PM): I've answer every question posed there NEIGH006 (11:18:52 PM): and it seems most of what you're still questioning is answered there NEIGH006 (11:19:03 PM): everything except who would be a better alternative. |
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Your vindictive posting is really starting to bother me, Jurs. Almost half the game (myself included) is already convinced Alain is a wolf, yet you continue to assault him over and over again with selective evidence.
Most people in TWG try to examine both sides of every issue and throw out possibilities for consideration, but you're zealously fighting this like it's the only plausible scenario. I'm waiting for tonight's psychic report. If Alain comes back human, I am casting my vote for you, Jurs, come day 3. Mark my words. |
05-9-2005, 08:08 PM | #168 |
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I have no proof alain is a wolf, chardish, but Tass and I both are pretty sure he is one. So because Tass is persuing Alain so much as well, are you going to vote for him too, even though he's the vigilante? If alain comes back human, he is just as guilty as me. Hopefully my instincts and observations are correct and alain comes back wolf, have fun with that one, chardish. You seem to be having hard feelings on me from taking a joke so seriously, even though I said I was kidding after hitting enter a few times. The only reason i'm attacking alain is because he's attacking me. I went to all of the TWGs and posted what he said in response to his votes he had, and now he's telling me i'm being selective about what I posted, when I remember not seeing anything else of him arguing about his votes. You say you're looking at both sides of the story, chardish, but you seem to be going against your own advice in this situation.
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No eva you didn't. You did exactly what I said you did. You took something I said, and you put it out of context to twist it into your own screwed up meaning.
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Alain and Jurs both..... stfu. You're confusing everyone more than helping. And Jurs... I'm not nearly as convinced as you. I'm going to go so far as to change my vote, do make sure Alain isn't insta'd before I can do some serious research tomorrow.
blah, purely to get it off Alain. He's back to 5, 3 away from insta. Frankly, I'm seeing Alain act differently... but, Alain is the one guy whose "normal" is wolf. And, actually... in TWG12, Alain was pretty close to being lynched (I believe) on day 2 or so. He was later wolfed by me, but I'm pretty sure he went ballistic like he's doing now... Again, research will come tomorrow. For now, let us rest folks... or those who are remaining MORE than quiet.... perhaps you could post a little? Blah, Kefit, Matt, nForcer, TPS, Mead, Neon... even Flypie, Guido, Chardish, and Whorli. Damn. That is SAD... that 4 of the players are doing ALL of the talking.... If the opinions of Alain, Jurs, Tass, and Talisman are the only ones being heard... we're in deep shit.
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05-9-2005, 09:00 PM | #172 |
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Alain--Jurs isn't the only one who's being vindictive. You just want me to vote for anyone other than you, when I've already made it clear why I think you are a wolf. I told you in the convo that you posted that I wouldn't change my vote tonight, and you posting the convo is not going to make a difference. In fact, since I didn't see anything in there that would be of any help to anyone, much less be a reason to vote for me, I think you're making it worse for yourself.
This is the SECOND time you're voting for me out of spite, btw. Last time was last game we played together. Why are you so against me?
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Sorry I haven't been posting all that much, SOL time here, and homework and study guides abound. On this whole matter of Jurs/Alain I see Jurs as the most suspicious. I am a bit afraid to express my opinions on this matter more thoroughly, as he might end up a wolf and everyone would be like "liek mead defended hem!lol!!11", but I honestly think that alain is human. I just got done reading all of this, and it just seems a little ridiculous. All of this seemed to stem from a convo Jurs posted where Alain made an obvious mistake in his words. He has already explained why he did that, and any one of us could have done the same. As to ap defending him, ap is smart. I mean, I am sure he could see that as a wolf, alain would be one heck of an ally. Them defencing each other is a nice coincidence, but it doesn't really equate to damnable evidence. I feel far more suspicious of Jurs for piling on layer after layer of poorly put together evidence. If I was going to vote alain, I would do so based on defense of ap, not the almost entirely irrelevant "evidence" you posted.
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I will also read some past TWGs and see what I come across. But, right now it's off to school.
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Orli, I'm sorry, it's not you in particular, ask Tass, if anyone does anything in the game I dissagree with I seem very spiteful. Therefore he gets alot of spite from me. I mean nothing by it.
I know that it's not enough for me to defend myself, and people want me to also find a reasonable alternative for their vote, but it's not that simple to do. I still don't consider it a vote out of spite. My reasons for voting you are very wrote. You had a vote, and seemed, to me, very unconcerned as to whether or not it remained justifiable, you were just at ease that you'd made one. Tass, if you have the logs from chat that night, I would appreaciate if you sent them to me. I would like to publicly sort out where I feel I was influenced by you to switch over to LD. We have very different opinions of this. |
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Alright, I think there might be something rotten in the state of Denmark. Tonight when I get home I'm going to take a close look at the game from the perspective that alain is human and see if anything adds up. The connection between him and ap has been made alot more tenuous by that convo he posted, assuming he didn't fake it.
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neigh006: I said it wasn't sweeping in TasselFoot: oh neigh006: and I didn't know he voted TasselFoot: i'm not pushing it, am i? neigh006: no neigh006: not in the forums TasselFoot: ld, alain, ap... any of you 3, don't care that much if you get lynched. you all have some level of suspicion in my book greater than anyone else Phonem Recursive: why ld? neigh006: well gee neigh006: Tass I have to go to bed like now neigh006: tell me what you think is wrong TasselFoot: night. TasselFoot: i just see mead being mead. TasselFoot: so him being himself isn't suspicious neigh006: I see mead being mead as a wolf TasselFoot: no way. because if i were a wolf with him and he comes to me "should i bandwagon onto spheroid?" TasselFoot: i'd be like "fuck no. why would we want to kill a weak ass human"? TasselFoot: IF alain or ap are human, why would a wolf bandwagon onto an idiot hunam instead of a smart one. TasselFoot: makes no sense Phonem Recursive: I agree with Tass Phonem Recursive: mead should have jumped onto me or alain Phonem Recursive: not spheroid neigh006: maybe the other wolves have allready bandwagonned on me neigh006: they don't want to look together TasselFoot: then he should have random voted TasselFoot: which he does alot also neigh006: he never does neigh006: he always bandwagons neigh006: when he can TasselFoot: that situation... absolutely no reason whatsoever to bandwagon onto spheroid TasselFoot: assuming he is a wolf and spheroid is human TasselFoot: as a wolf, he makes no decision himself, so whichever smart wolf gave him the go ahead.... it just makes no sense. neigh006: so you're saying as a wolf he should be expected to be smarter than as a human? Phonem Recursive: You know though, LD is seeming very off to me neigh006: so as soon as he starts playing well he's a wolf/ TasselFoot: yes alain, as he has others helping him neigh006: umm neigh006: blah just posted TasselFoot: i know Phonem Recursive: holy shits. TasselFoot: i forced him to post TasselFoot: yelled at him on AIM TasselFoot: so ap and spheroid are left to vote Phonem Recursive: I'm thinking right now Phonem Recursive: Alain or LD TasselFoot: what is the voting at? neigh006: and the vote from one to the other is a tactic that he's used before... neigh006: wtf is that? neigh006: it makes no sence neigh006: I have no clue what tactic he's talking about, and whatever it is, I don't see anything that resembles it here TasselFoot: i have no idea. blah is completely stressed out. neigh006: by does everyone smoke bullshit neigh006: yeah, okay TasselFoot: give him til tomorrow, he'll be better. neigh006: understandable TasselFoot: alain... whats the votes at? TasselFoot: or kilga neigh006: ld, aperson, alainbryden, aperson, Spheroid all tied with 2 votes neigh006: oh and mead neigh006: oh and flypie Phonem Recursive: I'm tied with myself Phonem Recursive: zany neigh006: yeah well neigh006: so, 6 people tied neigh006: exactly what we wanted right? Phonem Recursive: I'll change that with my vote Phonem Recursive: I'm just thinking neigh006: aperson, is the wolf that gets to decide who dies Phonem Recursive: yeah, right neigh006: weak TasselFoot: well alain... if ap votes you, you can change your vote to knife in the box neigh006: oh umm neigh006: I love you aperson Phonem Recursive: I know neigh006: actually Phonem Recursive: I kind of want to vote for alain neigh006: I don't want to be a hardass Phonem Recursive: but I know that I risk my death by doing this neigh006: and tass has a really good point with ld Phonem Recursive: I know Phonem Recursive: You're convincing me you wolfy fucker neigh006: haha neigh006: no I mean neigh006: I think I'm changing my vote Phonem Recursive: It's you or LD neigh006: how about you vote for yourself you ass neigh006: you don't even have a reason for voting me neigh006: I'm changing my vote to ap Phonem Recursive: This is just fantastic Phonem Recursive: day 1 orgy of votes TasselFoot: heh TasselFoot: this is amusing to watch Phonem Recursive: LD gets my vote, I won't put myself in a knife in the box situation TasselFoot: alain could though neigh006: umm neigh006: (Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...=399230#399230) Phonem Recursive: He didn't Phonem Recursive: LD is the overwhelming favorite it seems Phonem Recursive: Glad to know you still have a little bit of sense left Tass Phonem Recursive: Alain* TasselFoot: unless i'm a douche myself and you two are both wolves playing me. Phonem Recursive: whatever Phonem Recursive: You're not just a douche, you're a giant douche TasselFoot: mmmm neigh006: king douche *** spheroiddice has joined the chat. neigh006: yes neigh006: about time neigh006: spheroid, 30 minutes to not have a phantom TasselFoot: you better vote... neigh006: go spheroiddice: I'm just unsure of who to vote for Phonem Recursive: wtf Phonem Recursive: I just logged out for no reason spheroiddice: alain, you said in your post that Tass does have a point with ld? neigh006: yes Phonem Recursive: He does neigh006: in that he hasn't done his usual random voting neigh006: and random picking fights Phonem Recursive: no, it's not the rand voting neigh006: interjections Phonem Recursive: that doesn't mean much neigh006: he's done nothing Phonem Recursive: LD is acting entirely different and purposely avoding TWG, something that I haven't seen him do when I played with him neigh006: how many games has he been a wolf? neigh006: man that looks really really bad TasselFoot: 2 neigh006: all of us picking up on ld after what tass said Phonem Recursive: I know, but still TasselFoot: 2/9... the first he got kicked out and banned, he 2nd was the 2-team game neigh006: yeah Phonem Recursive: I was talking to him all the time in the 2 man game Phonem Recursive: I was a wolf on the other team neigh006: you're an ass ap neigh006: you didn't say why you're even suspicious of me Phonem Recursive: Alright neigh006: your vote looks alot like a bandwagon Phonem Recursive: jurs has a point dude neigh006: no she doesn't Phonem Recursive: Oh you'd rather me switch to you neigh006: I explained a million time neigh006: shy it makes no sense neigh006: *why Phonem Recursive: I almost blurted my role to someone in a previous game cause I didn't know they were in Phonem Recursive: Unless I'm not getting the full story I see it as a possibility neigh006: Yeah well I'm not a douche neigh006: spheroid neigh006: are you posting or should I post my chart? spheroiddice: I'll post soon neigh006: Tass neigh006: this looks like a repeast of last game neigh006: don't you think we're jumping ld neigh006: without giving him a chance to counter? TasselFoot: you mean like qreepy? Phonem Recursive: Don't ask Tass that, ask me that Phonem Recursive: Would you rather me switch to you Alain? neigh006: yes TasselFoot: well alain.... its either ld, alain, or ap. neigh006: ap then neigh006: his reasons are lame TasselFoot: frankly, if you want me to switch of ld... ask me. neigh006: voting eva neigh006: *voting because of eva Phonem Recursive: I'm doing this because I still have faith that Alain is human neigh006: She had a misunderstanding neigh006: that sounds like the wolfiest thing ever Phonem Recursive: No, it sounds like a survivalist TasselFoot: my penis is a wolf. Phonem Recursive: I like pips almost as much as Tass neigh006: -_- TasselFoot: yet you have none. Phonem Recursive: Yeah I always get dicked Phonem Recursive: I killed you in the two team game bitch TasselFoot: yup neigh006: well we all know who does the most dicking here neigh006: mr 12 inch TasselFoot: 12 foot neigh006: I've killed tass about 5 times now TasselFoot: bah. neigh006: aperson's going for the encore TasselFoot: i was human and so were you one of those games neigh006: what ever happened to eyespew? neigh006: one of them yeah TasselFoot: well, you've been a wolf like 6/9 games neigh006: I know TasselFoot: so, you're always a fucking wolf Phonem Recursive: I'm going to use reverse reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology tonight and determine that Tass won't be guarded so I can wolf him TasselFoot: i think alain should always be killed day 1, since he's a wolf 66% of the time neigh006: stfu Phonem Recursive: yes, it's a very +EV move neigh006: statistics mean shit Phonem Recursive: switching vote... TasselFoot: then again, he's been known to kill himself night 2... Phonem Recursive: lmfao neigh006: you know what neigh006: I hate you neigh006: all neigh006: it was a risk Phonem Recursive: BUT IT WAS BRILLIANT HE WAS GONNA BE GUARDED Phonem Recursive: lololol neigh006: it would have gone down in history TasselFoot: its ok. you try the crazy shit. neigh006: if I hate made it TasselFoot: i don't try the crazy shit. TasselFoot: people think i do though neigh006: I don't neigh006: I know you're methodical as shit neigh006: you take few risks, and when you do, you make it seem like you're certain neigh006: just to save your face TasselFoot: gotta do what gots to be done neigh006: SPHEROID 15 minutes spheroiddice: I think I'm just going to place a vote on Kefit to avoid a phantom TasselFoot: i thought you had to go to bed neigh006: yeah well neigh006: ugh bull TasselFoot: 2nd'd neigh006: I was supposed to neigh006: but I want to post a full voting chart neigh006: Tass TasselFoot: that is hella weak spheroid neigh006: are you sure about ld? TasselFoot: no neigh006: I know he's acting different neigh006: but you are jumping him TasselFoot: he was also bugging me on AIM. TasselFoot: dude.... you jumped on him. Phonem Recursive: How did he come off on AIM? TasselFoot: i STARTED it. Phonem Recursive: I know that fucker as a wolf on AIM up and down TasselFoot: inquisitive. Phonem Recursive: Always asking stuff? neigh006: at least he's a bad enough wolf that he would reveal himself tomorrow if we convicted him and we were right, TasselFoot: randomly brought up TWG to me.... wanted to talk about it. neigh006: so let's hold off. neigh006: does he usually message you? spheroiddice: quickly then, how different is ld acting? Phonem Recursive: He avoided talking to me about TWG neigh006: remember, I change my strategy all the time. Phonem Recursive: even though he's been talking to me about FFR a lot neigh006: What's to say other's cant? TasselFoot: he brought up TWG to me, like blah was trying to do last game TasselFoot: wanted to know about the blues neigh006: ... neigh006: was he joking? TasselFoot: no Phonem Recursive: That's strange, wonder why he didn't talk to me about TWG TasselFoot: wanted to know if they contacted me neigh006: he just wanted you to tell him all the blues? neigh006: oh neigh006: well TasselFoot: that was it. TasselFoot: "can we talk TWG?" Phonem Recursive: Sigh TasselFoot: "have the blues contacted you?" TasselFoot: i wouldn't answer.... TasselFoot: "ok. i'll assume at least 1 did." Phonem Recursive: Alright my vote stands on LD Phonem Recursive: If any of you switch to me I'm switching to Alain for knife in the box neigh006: why, you have 2 votes neigh006: he has 3 neigh006: and you still have no reason to vote for me neigh006: SPHEROID neigh006: dammit spheroiddice: I'm almost done with my post neigh006: okay Phonem Recursive: thank christ Phonem Recursive: Last thing we need is phantoms TasselFoot: i moved all my pillows home.... my neck is killing me. no place to lie down on my bed. neigh006: so push your bed clear Phonem Recursive: Alright I'm gone to sleep Phonem Recursive: I just hope this was a good decision Phonem Recursive: g'night spheroiddice: k, posted neigh006: umm spheroiddice: damn, I forgot a few things in it so it doesn't really sound that great neigh006: not a good ign neigh006: *sign bjstrattonim: Crap, I owe you guys a story in 25 minutes or so, don't I? neigh006: Microsoft Paint. Just crashed bjstrattonim: I better get writing. neigh006: 8 minutes bjstrattonim: Wow o_O neigh006: actually bjstrattonim: You sure? bjstrattonim: I thought I had until 1:15 neigh006: 1:00 to close the thread neigh006: you can post the story whenever you want neigh006: obviously *** spheroiddice has left the chat. neigh006: okay, bed time for me neigh006: I'll post the chart neigh006: goodnight TasselFoot: k TasselFoot: wolf neigh006: -_- *** neigh006 has left the chat.
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Sorry I haven't been saying much. School's been kind of hectic.
I can't say I think very heavily that Alain is a wolf. His manner of defense is...Well, violent to say the least. And there's still a very good chance he might be saved. I haven't seen anyone backing him up as a wolf buddy, either, so I doubt that he is one. On the matter of Jurs, as Chardish said, she's really trying to knock Alain off. It bothers me a little bit, but again, she's the only one that's pushing quite so hard. Neither she nor Alain has the full backing of another person. In addition, we need to start looking for some other things, I think. We're getting nowhere with what we have now.
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fairly clear from that convo that alain wasn't pressured by tass to vote ld, but he was pressured to switch off mead, as tass had claimed.
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I'm sorry you didn't remember that I had some matters to deal with, Tass, which is why I haven't been as active as I have been in past games. But, things today went better than expected concerning the stuff going on (considering the circumstance), and I'll most likely be able to carry a normal game from here on.
You kind of remind me of myself from some past games, Jursey. I used to go nuts on somebody, without looking at anything else. You're getting ridiculous, stop it. You're constant badgering of Alain, even though he is very close to being lynched, is really damn suspicious and uncalled for. If you really wanted him lynched this bad, you've made a bad move. Whether you realize it or not, you're only helping him by trying to dig a deeper grave. Unfortunately, since this whole Alain vs. Jursey situation has taken control of the thread as of late, apparently, I have nothing more to analyze and/or discuss. Hopefully we can look at other possibilities, such as who would kill Spheroid and why. I'll have to look back at what Spheroid said and think about it a bit before I can narrow some things down.
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