jTWG LXXIV: apparently it's sunguy - GAME THREAD

[Funnygurl555]

jeez rb

[Red Blaster]

<3
if its any consolation that usually indicates you're a green so I'm lock clearing you as of now.

[Charles Claythorne]

Anyway, here are some general points on playing this game. I'm going to try to keep this short so it's easier to read.

I would recommend people take a look at the 3x3 form of the game. Basically, one row or column is chosen to determine 3 Roles in the setup, while the other 6 Roles are a normal Wolf and 5 Humans. This is important because if there's, say, a Cop in the setup, it disproves that a Town Backup or Town Jailkeeper is in the setup.



Normal Humans -

Also known as the best Role in the game, your goal is to, evidently, find the Wolves. Something noteworthy that you should also be doing is trying to determine the Specials in the setup; however, your conclusions should be kept to yourself. The reason this is important is so that you can make a more informed decision regarding whether a Wolf is counterclaiming. It's not unusual to lynch an uncounterclaimed Role in this setup.

It's possible to pretend to act like a Special in this setup, but I wouldn't recommend it. In my opinion, it's best for everyone in this setup to try to behave as a normal Human. You don't want to accidentally mislead a Special into thinking you're a Cop when a Cop isn't in the game, for example (that might lead them to think you're a Wolf planning to false claim, for example).

Aside from the uniqueness of the game, it's just like any other TWG. Find the Wolves and get them lynched. Given that there are two Wolves in the game, bussing is unlikely (still possible, however), so definitely pay attention to Player interactions.



Specials in General -

As you know more information about the setup (it's one of two for you, rather than one of six) than normal Humans, it is especially important for you to try to figure out the setup. This is because it is very likely that at least one of the Wolves will false claim. But the issue for Humans with false claiming in this game is that it's possible to false claim without being counterclaimed!


Jailkeeper -
In most setups, it's dangerous to use your power on anyone that's Human, but given that the only unique Humans that can be present in this setup are a Vanilla Townie (not unique lol) and a Backup (who only gets his/her power on your death), you can really feel free to just guard whomever you feel is Human.
Noteworthy; assuming one Wolf is down, if you use your power on a Player and there is no Night kill, he/she was either the wolf target or the Wolf sending the kill; use your best judgement to determine which, as it could end the game or give you a confirmed Human. Conversely with the same assumption, if you use your power on a Player and a wolfing goes through, the Player you used your power on is a confirmed Human.


Town Cop -
The pinnacle Special Role, your job is to seer Wolves and Humans and get the Town to know without outing yourself. Since there's no Godfather or Miller or anything similar in the game, all Green/Innocent/Town results are legitimate, as are Red/Guilty/Mafia results.

It's especially important for you to give out your reads because, if you're killed, the Town is going to look back at them trying to discern whom you seered. Try not to be obvious about your results (e.g. if you're suspicious of someone Day 2 and suddenly drop it Day 3, it starts to become conspicuous that you seered him/her). Instead, if you've made a seering, corroborate your results by looking through the topic and finding reasons for viewing a Player as suspicious or Townie. It's easy to take the lazy route of not explaining in depth since you have extra knowledge (the seer result), but if you want to play the Role well, you need to do some work.


Tracker -
In this setup, your Role is basically a watered down Seer (the only results you'll ever get are "Followed no one" or "Followed [wolfed Player]"). If you target the Wolf sending in the Wolf kill, that Player is a confirmed Wolf. However, if you target the Wolf that didn't send in the kill or a Human Player, you'll get no results.

So basically, if your target followed a Player, he/she's a Wolf and if your target didn't follow a Player, your results don't really tell you anything.

And like the Cop, if you catch a Wolf, don't be obvious about it, but instead make your claim in the topic using evidence, so that it isn't obvious that the primary reason you suspect the Player is through power usage.


Odd Night Bulletproof -
Try to get wolfed during odd Nights idk
I'm being lazy now, sorry.
I suppose this would be a good situation to pretend to be a Special, but I think it could lead to some potential confusion still.



Wolves -

One great thing about this setup is that you can false claim a Role and not be counterclaimed. The only time you will be counterclaimed is if you false claim Role that an actual Special/Power Role knows can't be in the setup.

As an example, let's say that we have setup A, with a Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie, and Vanilla Mafia/Wolf. If the Mafia false claim as the Town Backup, it isn't possible for the Jailkeeper to be completely certain that the Mafia is falseclaiming without a lynch on him/her. You should use this uncertainty to your advantage if possible. This isn't always possible (for example, in setup 1, you can't false claim anything without being counterclaimed or 'proven wrong' based on a past cardflip), but it's something to keep in mind.

That all said, you know that the setup is one of two (as do the Specials), so use this to your advantage in trying to determine what Special(s) is (are) in the game.


Mafia Role Cop -
A very important Role, because you want to eliminate Specials as soon as possible. You might want to try your best to find the Cop (probably the easiest Role in the two setups to slip up) since the Jailkeeper, Town Backup, and Odd-Night Bulletproof don't really have much to slip up on compared to the Cop.

Generally, you're going to want to wolf and seer people you suspect are Specials. Doing so will ensure that you won't need to counterclaim near endgame if you dislike doing so, but it isn't the end of the world if one of the Specials lives to endgame. You might not even need to counterclaim even, but be prepared to do so in a worst case scenario (or if you're just a bold person and like doing so).

[storn42]

well. mashi talks..... and gives us a dictionary

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

<3
if its any consolation that usually indicates you're a green so I'm lock clearing you as of now.

i'm legitimately making an effort to be here i'd appreciate being read based on the posts that i make once actual content is in the thread

hi mashi

[Charles Claythorne]

Feeling unwell today, but I hopefully didn't make any mistakes while making the post.

But anyway, I have some impressions from skimming the thread, but I'll try to post them tomorrow morning since I'm a bit tired now.

[choof]

well now that mashi gave the wolves a good idea to play around with in regards to claiming, we probably can't trust any claims made in the game

thanks

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by choof

well now that mashi gave the wolves a good idea to play around with in regards to claiming, we probably can't trust any claims made in the game

thanks

Lmao

[storn42]

Originally Posted by choof

well now that mashi gave the wolves a good idea to play around with in regards to claiming, we probably can't trust any claims made in the game

thanks

yea, i feel like that post should be in the OP or something, you know, not in the middle of the thread. but who am i to judge? oh? im storn to judge? thats cool.

[storn42]

wait.....mashi just wants the wolves to win and is therefore a wolf!! totally not because this is a jTWG or anything. NOPE!

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by storn42

well. mashi talks..... and gives us a dictionary

[Charles Claythorne]

i'm the wolf please

i will not wolf anyone who types my shakespeare essay and gets me an a

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Charles Claythorne

new sig pl0x

[Red Blaster]

Probably reading too far into it, buuuuuuuut, in the interest of discussion: did mashi end up with a newb wolf partner and that post is his method of daytalking/coaching?

Regardless of what he rolls I know mashi always makes these posts, but idk..data points an shiet.

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by storn42

new sig pl0x

[storn42]

so, i had a thought. what if there was this GIANT TWG, and by giant. i mean like 100+ players. so what if we took these players and put them into like 10 different mini twg games of essentially the same set up (perhaps each is a randomly selected matrix set-up) and when one team had won in one of the games, they were randomly dispersed amongst the remaining twgs, without their roles being known (like a new player is added with his/her own role).

just a random interesting though in the mind of storn. thank you for visiting. please buy a "storn's mind" T-shirt in the gift shop on your way out!

[storn42]

Originally Posted by storn42

so, i had a thought. what if there was this GIANT TWG, and by giant. i mean like 100+ players. so what if we took these players and put them into like 10 different mini twg games of essentially the same set up (perhaps each is a randomly selected matrix set-up) and when one team had won in one of the games, they were randomly dispersed amongst the remaining twgs, without their roles being known (like a new player is added with his/her own role).

just a random interesting though in the mind of storn. thank you for visiting. please buy a "storn's mind" T-shirt in the gift shop on your way out!

i forgot to add that only one team would win when the other team was completely eliminated.

[Red Blaster]

Keyword: Relevance

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Keyword: Relevance

its relevant. its TWG related :P other than that im just bored. got nothing to do and had i thought i just needed to share.

[storn42]

nobody else is posting shit anyways.