TWG CXXX: Hi-Roller's C9++ GAME THREAD

[Toxophilis]

nvm i can see james claimed something too smh im lost again

[Toxophilis]

Whoever is what, one mislynch and we are screwed cause its 4v4

[James May]

All I'm just going to say that if you lynch either Kayla or I you guys are the biggest idiots.

Also, I find it funny that the lynch pair that I said that we should look at today are still alive :U And fuck you J-rodd.

[psychoangel691]

I still want to kill Funny

I had no intentions on staying on Red, I just wanted to push to see reaction since he was trying to implicate James still even though he had been cleared by two people. When I saw Yoshl add another vote and put RB one away from insta I was going to drop my vote but it was already too late. I still don't know why you went and did that RB, there was still 24 hours in the damn phase.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by Toxophilis

Whoever is what, one mislynch and we are screwed cause its 4v4

ok cold kitten might need to clarify on this because the gametype wiki says wolves win "when the wolves equal or outnumber the town, or are in a position where this is unavoidable"

Now this is TWG Old Man logic talking, but fuck that wincon. Traditionally in games with non-wolf killing roles, wolves equalling town is not enough to call a wolf victory. Specifically because of that second bit - in a game with non-red killing roles, just equalling town isn't enough for wolf victory to be inevitable.

Let's pretend we mislynch today and the game has 3 wolves, SK, and 3 town left going into N3. It's vague whether SK is counted in "town" - the wiki does not say they belong to town but "answer only to themself" - but that's not even the point I'm getting at. So let's also pretend 1 more town gets modkilled for posting his role PM.

3 wolves, 2 town, SK alive at the start of night phase. EQUAL!! GAME OVER WOLVES WIN!!

No. Fuck that, ending the game there is stupid. Because if the game were to continue, and the SK were to kill a wolf in the night, D4 would be 2 wolves, 1 town, SK. SK can claim, town knows they're town, lynch goes to KitB. If a wolf dies in the KitB, SK kills the last wolf in the night... and wolves don't win the game.

[Funnygurl555]

psychoangel why me again

[James May]

Originally Posted by choof

if manti was indeed I or kamikaze

If Manti was indeed Kamikaze then that would fall underline with Riot going after Manti and RB's Vigi stacking with Riot's death.

And with J-rodd and Tokzic both being blues that would bring the game to 11 letters. I do personally feel that the J-rodd kill is an attempt to frame me on it based on last night. Just like how the Blind kill was made to frame either Xel or Red.

If anything, it would make sense for Riotpolice to be killed by both Kamikaze and vigi'd for the sole purpose that the kills would stack against him. Riot targets Manti, Manti's Kamikaze effect would go off thus killing Riot, and Red shooting Riot.

So far, we could really say that we have these letters:

IIIIMMKKKRR (going by if Manti was indeed Kamikaze, J-rodd is the tracker, and Tokzic being Morph, which I am willing to bet that this is the scenario)

With that said, IF all claims are true, We are dealing with this wolf pair:

Master Wolf, Wolf Seer, Wolf Roleblocker, Wolf Kidnapper

I am growing doubt on the possibility that Choof could have been a Wolf Seer after thinking it through, but I do think that Riot could have been a Master Wolf since I would highly doubt that they would send any other wolves to stack on their role and their kill choice for that matter.

And if we look at the letters again, that would mean that all the claims are true so far. Now, my question is: Why J-rodd and not Tokzic, Yoshl or even Choof for that matter? Tokzic hard-claimed on Day 2 that he had a blue role, Choof came out as a Seer and Yoshl came out as 1-shot. I'm even more curious to as why not even Kayla or I myself. Wolves had 5 claimed blues to choose from to kill.

Anyhow, I think that we need to focus everything on Funny, Tox, and Xel for today like I said last Phase.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Toxophilis

Whoever is what, one mislynch and we are screwed cause its 4v4

oh really now...

[Funnygurl555]

if you're saying that all three wolves/sk ate contained in that group due to poe then sorry guys but there's fake claims

[James May]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

if you're saying that all three wolves/sk ate contained in that group due to poe then sorry guys but there's fake claims

Is there something that you would like to share to the class then?

[Tokzic]

tl;dr game is not necessarily over if we don't strike red today

[James May]

I mean, if you have the answers to everything Funny then by all means dish it out~

[Funnygurl555]

It's not that I have the answers to everything it's just that I'd know that there's fake claims then rofl

[James May]

Originally Posted by James May

If Manti was indeed Kamikaze then that would fall underline with Riot going after Manti and RB's Vigi stacking with Riot's death.

And with J-rodd and Tokzic both being blues that would bring the game to 11 letters. I do personally feel that the J-rodd kill is an attempt to frame me on it based on last night. Just like how the Blind kill was made to frame either Xel or Red.

If anything, it would make sense for Riotpolice to be killed by both Kamikaze and vigi'd for the sole purpose that the kills would stack against him. Riot targets Manti, Manti's Kamikaze effect would go off thus killing Riot, and Red shooting Riot.

So far, we could really say that we have these letters:

IIIIMMKKKRR (going by if Manti was indeed Kamikaze, J-rodd is the tracker, and Tokzic being Morph, which I am willing to bet that this is the scenario)

With that said, IF all claims are true, We are dealing with this wolf pair:

Master Wolf, Wolf Seer, Wolf Roleblocker, Wolf Kidnapper

I am growing doubt on the possibility that Choof could have been a Wolf Seer after thinking it through, but I do think that Riot could have been a Master Wolf since I would highly doubt that they would send any other wolves to stack on their role and their kill choice for that matter.

And if we look at the letters again, that would mean that all the claims are true so far. Now, my question is: Why J-rodd and not Tokzic, Yoshl or even Choof for that matter? Tokzic hard-claimed on Day 2 that he had a blue role, Choof came out as a Seer and Yoshl came out as 1-shot. I'm even more curious to as why not even Kayla or I myself. Wolves had 5 claimed blues to choose from to kill.

Anyhow, I think that we need to focus everything on Funny, Tox, and Xel for today like I said last Phase.

meant to say WOLVES and SK. My mind is in a rush today >_>

[Tokzic]

james may it is very adorable how you want to trust all the claims but even with your assumptions, it is still impossible for all the claims to be real

tokzic - morph
james may - mason
psycho - mason
choof - seer
yoshl - one shot seer
funny - ?
xel - ?
toxophilis - ?

that is 5 human role claims in a game with 4 humans in it

[Tokzic]

james may it is very adorable how you want to trust all the claims but even with your assumptions, it is still impossible for all the claims to be real

tokzic - morph
james may - mason
psycho - mason
choof - seer
yoshl - one shot seer
funny - ?
xel - ?
toxophilis - ?

that is 5 human role claims in a game with 4 humans in it

[psychoangel691]

Process of elimination Funny. While yes there's a fake claim somewhere there's 3 of you with no claim.
I know obviously it's not James because we're masons together.
I think Choof's claim is legit.
I'm on the fence with Yoshl's claim but being that there's likely 4 bad guys left I'm not worried about chasing him today.
tokzic I haven't looked back at yet fully so I really have no feeling either way towards this claim right now.

So our best bet is somewhere between you, xel and tox right now to me. The way you've been playing just makes me feel even more like you're a wolf. You haven't really been engaging with much of anything.

[Tokzic]

I think the most important question we need to ask ourselves right now is how many fakeclaimers are there?

If it's only one, we can safely lynch from the Xel-Funny-Toxo pool.

If it's more than one, we need to lynch the claim we believe least.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

It's not that I have the answers to everything it's just that I'd know that there's fake claims then rofl

Funny...for fuck's sake, if you're a blue then come out already. Hell, a 1-shot role even. We just need all this to be clear and concise right?


1. James May - Mason (M)
2. blindreper1179 - Thought he was 1-shot Vigi, now leaning towards VT
3. lurker - Green, could be either VT, 1-shot something (except for Vigi), or Inventor
4. choof - Claimed Seer (I)
5. funnygurl555 - ????
6. Red Blaster - Vigi
7. psychoangel691 - Mason (M)
8.Riotpolice - Wolf
9. _Zenith_ - Green, could be either VT, 1-shot something or Inventor. Doubting either Saint or Good Neighbor
10. XelNya - ????
11. DarkManticoreX2 - Might be the Kamikaze (K)
12. Tokzic - Morph (R)
13. j-rodd123 - Might be the tracker (I)
14. Toxophilis - Claimed VT
15. YoshL - claimed 1-shot seer (I)

I really do think that between Funny, Xel and Tox that there's a wolf in that pile.

james may it is very adorable how you want to trust all the claims but even with your assumptions, it is still impossible for all the claims to be real

Well excuse me >_>

Anyhow, assuming that Yoshl's claim is fake, Manti being Kamikaze, and J-rodd being Tracker (with Lurker, Zenith and Blind being VT's), we have this lettering:

IIIMMKKKRR - 10 letters

If Choof's claim is fake (using the same scenario):

IIMMKKKRR - 9 letters

If Choof's claim is true, Manti being Kamikaze, there being no tracker, J-rodd being anything other than a I, K and R AND Blind, Lurker, and Zenith are Vanilla Townie:

IIMMBBKKKRR - 11 letters
IIDDMMKKKRR - 11 letters
IIMMKKKRRJJ - 11 letters

Going by all this, these are the possible scenarios if either Choof or Yoshl lied about their claims

We know one thing for sure: J-rodd isn't a K unless the SK shot him and lived via Omnibane (and this does make sense because of the Night 1 killings involving 3 people, this would be much trickier if it had been only two deaths on Night 1).

The thing is though Tokzic, you were the first person to jump on board with my post about the possibility that Red's Claim could be bullshit. BUT, I do believe your claim of being a Morph, and I know exactly why you're refusing to reveal what role Manti was.

The claims that I'm on the fence with are Choof and Yoshl. I'm really leaning towards the face that Choof's claim is fake but I want to hold off on that for now. I'm completely unsure about the whole thing.

[Toxophilis]

Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not going through every page while the site is working at the speed of a potato, but didn't choof seer rb as blue and then rb confirmed blue when he died, meanwhile yoshl seered you(?) And all we have is both your words? If I'm wrong forgive me but I would definitely look at you (and by extension Kayla) and yoshl over choof