TWG XV - #twgxv (Humans Win. Huzzah.)

[flypie743]

Originally Posted by Tass

Lastly, Alain has 6 votes... at least let him get home and make a post before we insta him. We have plenty of time (48+ hours still) to kill him. 2 more for an insta... so, DON'T vote for him until he gets a chance to post.

Originally Posted by Kilga

There are 16 of you left, so 9 votes is an instalynch.

If he has 6 votes then there needs to be 3 more for an insta. :P

[talisman]

Originally Posted by kilgamayan

there are 15 of you left, so 8 votes is now the instalynch mark instead of 9.

[Tasselfoot]

beat me to it Talisman.

[JurseyRider734]

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Flypie, Jurs... even Whorli... how about, Ladies of TWG... enough with the bickering. Jurs... wait until tomorrow before you start gloating about being first to peg Alain on the slipup. I don't disagree with you, but damn will you feel retarded if he comes back human. I'm not going around bragging about pegging ap... lets win the game, then be happy we won and survived and as a team killed the wolves.

Yes, but if he does show up wolf, I will feel special.

Hopefully he does

[flypie743]

Originally Posted by talisman

K, gotcha.

[alainbryden]

NEIGH006: Tass what the fuck are you doing
NEIGH006: I have nothing to do with aperson
TasselFoot: i gave you time to defend yourself.
NEIGH006: why the fuck are you associating him with me and getting me lynched?
NEIGH006: I JUST GOT BACK
NEIGH006: don't give me that bullshit
TasselFoot: exactly. you could have easily been lynched.
NEIGH006: you're about to make the same dumbass mistake you made with ld
TasselFoot: you've been "associated" with him because you two were up each others asses yesterday.
TasselFoot: i saw it clear as day then.
TasselFoot: i was the first to vote ld. y'all followed.
NEIGH006: you pushed me to it
NEIGH006: I told you straight up I didn't want to follow
TasselFoot: you didn't have to
NEIGH006: If I were a wolf I wouldn't have considered it at all
NEIGH006: because either way ld or someone else was going to die
NEIGH006: and I wouldn't care
TasselFoot: i didn't once tell you to vote ld.
NEIGH006: you didn't tell me to
NEIGH006: you told me I shouldnt vote mead
NEIGH006: don't give me your bullshit twist of words
NEIGH006: you pressured me to vote mead
TasselFoot: they aren't the same thing.
NEIGH006: *ld
NEIGH006: fuck
NEIGH006: give it up, you're an ass and you're doing exactly what I said
TasselFoot: all i said is that i thought mead was a bad choice, and why.
TasselFoot: that is it.
NEIGH006: you're killing every power player except yourself
NEIGH006: you said LD was a better choice
TasselFoot: that isn't my intention. just happens that they're who i've seen to be the best choices.
TasselFoot: probably... because i thought he was.
NEIGH006: well then you aren't even smart enough to see for yourself what you're doing.
TasselFoot: i see exactly what is happening.
TasselFoot: and if all 4 wolves are power players? if you're one of them? and you're whole goal is to get me to doubt that notion?
NEIGH006: oh fuck that shit
NEIGH006: go ahead
NEIGH006: vote off all the power players
NEIGH006: see how long you last
NEIGH006: you fail at statistics
NEIGH006: you fail at reasoning
NEIGH006: you fail at this game
TasselFoot: upset much?
NEIGH006: and yes I'm pissed

I have nothing to justify that I haven't already justified a million times.

Don't be idiots. mead1

[talisman]

You conveniently ignored the fact that ap, a wolf, was trying to save you.

[alainbryden]

FLYPIE I HAVE BEEN THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE PERSON IN THE THREAD.

I DID NOT VOTE OUT OF SELF PRESERVATION, TASS LED ME TO VOTE FOR LD.

I VOTED FOR LD BEFORE APERSON EVEN CONSIDERED IT.

I WAS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH APERSON.

All your points are bullshit.

Even Aperson gave me the same idiocy about my suggestion the rest of you did:

NEIGH006: sup
Phonem Recursive: hey
NEIGH006: tell me
Phonem Recursive: tell what?
NEIGH006: why are people reading into my idea like idiots?
Phonem Recursive: Because it's TWG and half the people that play are idiots.
Phonem Recursive: If you post a good idea that could be misconstrued, you've pretty much fucked yourself
NEIGH006: of having a group meeting to vote
NEIGH006: does that make you one?
NEIGH006: you didn't read into it right
NEIGH006: that's for sure
NEIGH006: "Group voting disguises motives because it lumps all the votes together and removes the 1 or 2 vote outliers that become important when you look at voting records in later stages of the game. I figured Alain would be smarter than to recommend something like this."
NEIGH006: no duh it lets wolves slip in votes
NEIGH006: it let's wolves push for a bandwagon
Phonem Recursive: so then how do you prod the wolves out
NEIGH006: NEIGH006: no duh it lets wolves slip in votes
NEIGH006: it let's wolves push for a bandwagon
Phonem Recursive: Oh so you let them get aggressive then catch them in the process
NEIGH006: I didn't plan on letting them get away with it
NEIGH006: obviously
NEIGH006: you read what they do
NEIGH006: you convict
Phonem Recursive: Right
NEIGH006: how else do you find the wolves?
NEIGH006: but no
NEIGH006: I'm a wolf
NEIGH006: for suggesting it
Phonem Recursive: you need to make the reason obvious then
NEIGH006: you have to look past your noses
NEIGH006: this is something that wolves should miss
Phonem Recursive: yeah
NEIGH006: but humans should get
Phonem Recursive: what are you implying there?
NEIGH006: that everyone but me is a wolf :/
Phonem Recursive: heh
NEIGH006: I guess I didn't hint at my purpose enough
NEIGH006: anyways, there's still time to have one
NEIGH006: I'll try to sort one out
Phonem Recursive: True, we need to get this shit under way
NEIGH006: talk to some people
Phonem Recursive: yeah but what if we make the idea too clear to a wolf?
NEIGH006: what if you're a wolf?
Phonem Recursive: We gotta make sure they fall for the trap or it's worthless
NEIGH006: yeah well
Phonem Recursive: Then you go back to the shitty voting order we have right now and you, me, or spheroid are probably under the chopping block
NEIGH006: I'll take my chances letting you and guido in on it
Phonem Recursive: k
Phonem Recursive: I'll tell you now though, I'm not a wolf
NEIGH006: I told guido my intention too
Phonem Recursive: I'm nothing special, but I'm definitely not a wolf
Phonem Recursive: ahh good
NEIGH006: yeah well, I didn't figure
NEIGH006: plus you're active enough you might get this and try to get it going
Phonem Recursive: I figured I'd look suspicious since I'm dead in the middle of the MW pool
NEIGH006: yeah well, every power player now looks suspicious
NEIGH006: except tass
NEIGH006: by some miracle
Phonem Recursive: yeah
NEIGH006: what else is new
Phonem Recursive: of course

[flypie743]

Alain, please tell me why aperson (a confirmed wolf) would try to save you? Especially you, being a strong player in this game. It's is highly unlikely. If a wolf can get a power player lynched on the 1st day, then they will.

[alainbryden]

And in case you wanted more smoke cleared from your ass Tass, I defended 8 people yesterday, and yes, aperson was one of them.

[alainbryden]

Originally Posted by Jursey

him desperately trying to come up with explainations why he's not a wolf all point to him being guilty.

What kind a bullshit excuse for a misleading statement is that crap. I wasn't struggling desperately for anything. I was telling the truth and you were stubbornly and stupidly ignoring everything I said, everytime I said it. I said the same thing every time. I was thinking of the last game when you said that, it's clear to anyone who's actually read the conversation, and you've been stretching that one piece of bullshit further than it's humanly possible to take it. Give up on the idiot theory.

[alainbryden]

Originally Posted by whorlichan

Chardish and I have previously posted more in-depth analyses of why we think he's a wolf.

And I've allready argued your points countless times in chat, and in the thread, and you still act as if their integrity is unchanged without so much as responding to my defence.

[alainbryden]

Originally Posted by Flypie

Alain, please tell me why aperson (a confirmed wolf) would try to save you? Especially you, being a strong player in this game. It's is highly unlikely. If a wolf can get a power player lynched on the 1st day, then they will.

to build credibility.

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or to take me down in the event he was figured out? It's not that hard to understand it in more than just the ways that makes me appear to be a wolf allison.

[alainbryden]

Look, I'm analysing myself, and I notice things that make you all look completely ignorant. You can't even suggest I've been acting like a wolf. The past 3 games or 4 or 5 I have no clue, I have been a wolf.
-I have been quiet.
-I have been inactive.
-I have been short in defending people.
-I have been manipulative.
-I have been avoiding conversations with people.
-I have been skipping chat meetings.
-I have been voting people with shifty evidence and making half-assed attempts to justify it.
When I am a wolf, I play like shit, and it gets noticed.

-When was the last time I posted a summary of all the people I had opinions of in the game, like I did this one? When I was human.
-When was the last time I kept a TWG voting guide, so that I could analyse the voting and posting patterns of people? When I was human.
-When was the last time I haven't givin up when I was so close to death? When I was human.
-I have been the second most active person in the game, in spite of the fact that I probably get less internet time then any of you.
-I have been posting the guide.
-I have been making multiple person analyses.
-I have been striving to vote only when I felt it was fully justified.
-I've been having countless aim conversations with Eva, Tasselfoot, aperson, Talisman TWG Chat, talking with whorlichan, spheroid, matt, anyone who I could to read into them and also to explain myself clearly.

How can you all be so ignorant to the facts and only do what is obviously so simple: killing all the players that you are afraid are better than you.

[Tasselfoot]

Guys... would someone mind doing research for me? TWG6, 8, and 12 are games in which Alain was human/blue and lost. TWG 5, 10, 13, 14 are games in which Alain was a wolf and lost.

Could someone please compare how he reacted when lynched in those games?

Lynched on day 3 in TWG6. Only human game where he has been lynched.
Lynched day 3 in TWG5... this was the game he was a fake seer to me/ld. He gave up, but vowed never to do that again.
TWG10... devil, lost at the end of the game after playing well all game. Wasn't lynched.
TWG13... he killed himself on night 2.
TWG14... he was toast because of my PMs, but I can't remember how he reacted, as I was already dead.

[alainbryden]

Since I'm the one fighting for my life, I assume I'm the only one that will do it. I suggest you all do as well so that you don't assume my recount is bias.

[JurseyRider734]

If you are a wolf, and you're trying to save your ass, you'll leave shit out so that you'll make yourself look human. Better let someone else do it.

[talisman]

This is interesting, actually. That convo with ap would have to be well-faked if they are indeed connected. It still leaves me to wonder why ap defended you and why he didn't vote for you. It could be possible that he didn't want to vote for you in order to not to look wolfy, as in looking like "the guy who put the experienced player back up on the chopping block." I need to think about this some more.

editted for grammar

[nforcer06164]

Alain, I would defend you if I thought think the whole ap/Alain defense thing was not suspicious, but to put it bluntly, it is. I have learned from the past, however, that such fierce defenses don't always mean an association of some sorts. Yet, I'm not going to say that that is definitely the case this time, or any time, for that matter. The conversation you had with ap would be your only saving grace at this point (I don't think anyone really took time to read it), but I wouldn't completely rule out the fact that the conversation was staged or conjured. Because I have mixed feelings on the whole thing, I'm holding off a vote on you. You are my top choice at the moment, though.

On a side note: tomorrow is the climax of this issue I've been going through. Whether I will have an opportunity to post, or if I will even feel like it, all depends on exactly what happens. I'll put my best effort into trying to make a vote before the day ends, though.

[JurseyRider734]

TWG 6: Alain's responses to his bandwagon of votes:

Honestly, look back at what I've done and said. There's no way I could have said any of those things if I were a wolf. No one in hell would risk it. We all saw where the fake seer bit got me last came. Also, there's nothing in tps' post to make me think he's human, He still ahs that strange, circular reasoning, and weak point against his post.

Shi!, well, as of right now, Omegantros is the best choice because he has made 0 posts since the last game, has way too much evidence riding against him, and after the way this game has been played so far, a wolf probably figures the best way to win is to say nothing at all and be overlooked. We can't affort to risk letting people sit on the sidelines, but I'm coming back for you tps.

Quite calm, not overracting or cursing off anyone. Is a human this game.

As in TWG 5, he was lynched on Day 3 as well:

I lose

Obvious response, he was caught faking seer. Nothing to argue about.


There's not really much to go on, considering all the times that alain lost he was wolfed or was lynched with a rather calm argument. He hasn't been a wolf and had to argue about it. He could be act either way and his role probably wouldn't be able to be told on how he reacted to his votes.