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We need to balance growing and retention, yes. But the way to doing that is action, and from a user's perspective on the site currently there is little action. So when you say "a majority of these problems can fix themselves from the general inspiration", I have to ask where the inspiration is to come from? As the user base we can definitely promote that inspiration, but when a lot of us (or maybe it is just AJ and I) feel like there is little happening in this community currently to keep us engaged and involved how can we be expected to foster inspiration and be fired up? It boils down to, in my opinion, a direction that should be established and pursued first and foremost by the staff. If the staff aren't excited about the site, how can the users be?
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The people who are active are in no danger of losing their positions, and it will give everyone a chance to redefine what they're willing to do, what their skills are, and what the needs of the site are. For this to happen, we need someone (or several people) who is considered "in charge," which is something we all already agree is a main issue.
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08-22-2015, 07:51 PM | #143 | |
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#1 priority, fix the legal side of the site. Turn all existing permissions to "legacy permissions" Songs are in the game, contact me if you want them removed kind of deal. What Osu does. Then rework the permission system to explicitly include the possibility of advertisements and microtransactions in order to pay server and development costs. Future permissions are gained with this particular stipulation in mind. Then, keep the game completely free to play. But advertise, and charge for things that don't impact gameplay at all, like skins*. This is the 2010s video game business model, and it would work for FFR too. *Anyone remember the characters that used to appear on your scorecard? Anyone realize how easy it would be to sell noteskins? Think a little.
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08-22-2015, 07:53 PM | #144 |
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I laid out an entire business plan to OWA last night on Skype. What I just put above would be only the beginning.
It's clear FFR needs to change. There's plenty of opportunities and methods to keep the site alive. Don't let it die just "because volunteers!!!"
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If nothing is happening, there's two things that should take place. The first, be open on that to the community. If we know there's nothing going on, then at least there is transparency. Second thing would be to establish why there is nothing happening, and act accordingly. If it is because your lead devs are swamped with a heavy course load at Uni for a semester, evaluate the staff expectations and see if there needs to be a change. If that's not the issue, then go another route to facilitate the start of something. Have a suggestion board or something again like Zageron did a while back. Are most of the suggestions going to be jokes or impractical? Sure, but maybe there will be some good ones. Who knows?
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"nothing's going on, what do I tell the users?" how about you tell them that nothing's going on so that, you know... the users can tell you what you can do to improve their experience? uh, tell users what's planned in the future? like -- ... really? you're acting as if users SHOULD be satisfied if your team is doing nothing. get real. Quote:
even the dev's were being productive with their monthly releases. so no, your point is completely invalid. EDIT: hi19, I know that you talked to me privately about your particular interests but: the site operated quite well without this and it doesn't need money infused into it to get people going because there were people who were interested in doing things without payment that got rejected or turned away for various reasons - so please, stop trying to talk about things that are in your own interests Last edited by TC_Halogen; 08-22-2015 at 07:57 PM.. |
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I'm going to say this about FFR and my own involvement/desire for FFR.
I was attracted to the game before the community, and thus was naturally more involved with the game aspects than Events or anything else pertaining community (such as Simfiles, Developing, etc). That desire has never wavered, and neither has my own resolve to help FFR in any way shape or form that I am capable of. I was added into the Event Staff team back last year around this time, but at that time I was incapable of not only producing content for the team, but I was rather inactive during our chats (and this lead to the accident in which I caused and was terminated for plus my inactivity). Honestly, and Psychoangel can attest to this, I tried very hard to get back on the team despite the discharge because there was a point in time that I was dedicated solely to events. I still host user-based events of my own and I'm still very much learning how to effectively be a better host/content creator when it came to events. As of right now, I hit the skill peak of my own goals and now there is no major concern for improving at the game, however I as a person need something to fill the now-void with. I am currently working on something that I hope goes smoothly and if not then I can take it as a learning experience, but I have all of the time in the world (I literally have no real life ties to anything of importance) in which I can dedicate myself to FFR's growth and learn more about different aspects of FFR as a whole; or even rhythm gaming for that matter. I was told by a staffed member that I most likely would never be able to be a part of staff here on FFR due to my "dishonorable discharge" from the Event Staff, but that still does not deter me from helping in any way due to my ambition to see FFR prosper because it was a major part in my life. Sorry if this /rant displeases anyone, but we do have quite a collection of helpful, bright, and ambitious people here on FFR that would probably love to get their moment in helping FFR grow, however as it currently stands it is something that isn't high up on importance.
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You don't need to tell them that nothing is going on or that things will go on in the future. You just need to involve them. "Hey, we want your input." and then build off of that.
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08-22-2015, 08:04 PM | #151 | |
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I don't think I or any other users need to keep mentioning the lack of communication and that's beating a dead horse at this point. It's time to take steps in the direction of repairing these issues. EDIT: synth you're breaking forum rules stop triple posting you're going too fast aaaaaaaaaa Last edited by TC_Halogen; 08-22-2015 at 08:04 PM.. |
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08-22-2015, 08:06 PM | #152 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
I don't know who said this but that's not really true. There's been plenty of staff that have made mistakes, no one's perfect. Just a matter of proving yourself moreso.
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08-22-2015, 08:08 PM | #153 | |
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Just because we could have done a lot better with a volunteer system doesn't change the fact that, with purely volunteers, the site has never been even a tenth as busy as it reached when there was money involved.
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08-22-2015, 08:08 PM | #154 |
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The Event Staff was hosting a Scavenger Hunt (For Halloween iirc) and due to my inactivity within the chat, I never saw the confirmation that the images were distributed within the site and I had caught one and mentioned it in Profile Chat with Zageron there.
It was entirely my own fault. My level of inactivity was growing too sadly which never helps in a staff position.
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08-22-2015, 08:09 PM | #155 | |
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justin_ator can vouch for this since he was the target for reasons that I cannot remember other than the fact that I was a part of a toxic Skype group and did things I shouldn't have, but I got an initial one year ban (turned into 10 days to my surprise) for being completely ridiculous. I think Dossar also got banned for that same thing, haha. If you can prove yourself to be a useful asset and are generally responsible, stupidity like that can generally be overlooked. I definitely regret being that immature, but I mean... I certainly redeemed myself afterward with everything else. Last edited by TC_Halogen; 08-22-2015 at 08:09 PM.. |
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08-22-2015, 08:11 PM | #157 |
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He was brought on to the team on a trial basis. Prior to joining the team I let people know what the expectations are. During the time on the team he was not active in our group where we communicate and wasn't actively engaging in doing anything with the team. Then he disclosed a location for a hunt we were doing during Halloween last year.
That's the quick version. Edit: I also removed another member who became inactive due to life things and added on a new person. The person removed knows that they're welcome back if things change.
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(read all the responses regarding this situation) Yeah, people get stupid sometimes. It happens to me also. I passed on a very militant like style of protection here at the site that was leftover from the commercial days. It's good in general to "protect the brand" but maybe the sentences are a little harsh? (maybe I am ignorant?). We now have a much better method for backups than we have had in the past, which means we can always roll back if needed. I would feel differently if 10-15 salaries depended on the success of the site.
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But there aren't. Am I really the only person who sees the massive disconnect here?
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