TWG XVI: A Dark And Stormy Night (End of Day 6, wolves win)

[stretchypanda]

Actually, Tass it would help.

Basically, someone was talking about AP, LD, and Omega, and asked a question, and I just offered the idea that all three were wolves. It wasn't anything serious, and no discussion followed the suggestion.

[Omeganitros]

And I should like to think that eyeslit.gif is reason enough to revenge vote, but I guess I'm branded as "suspicious" for the rest of the game.

[stretchypanda]

mastr414: that was my bigger problem with omega though
mastr414: he just spring into "action" so quickly
TasselFoot: well, that is the only thing that jumped at me.
mastr414: what, talisman?
TasselFoot: yea. well, the MAIN thing that wasn't obvious.
TasselFoot: like LD and Omega and aperson... those things are obvious
mastr414: yea but
mastr414: what i don't understand is
mastr414: why AP would choose shox over ld
iikearitz: Maybe AP and LD are both wolves.
iikearitz: o.o


That was actually the end of TWG talk. Some random girl found her way into the chat room, which Blah had named "meh," so we effed around with her for a little while, and then everything sorta died.

[nforcer06164]

I'm unaware of this whole ap, LD, and Omega triangle. Am I not reading into things enough? Am I missing something? I'd like somebody to briefly explain this so I can make a solid vote before the end of the day.

I see the eb kill as a possible tactic to cast suspicion on me. Remember that eb voted for me, although random with no reason. I don't know if that could mean anything, but I know that I haven't been as active and contributing in this game in comparison to others. I did switch off ap and ensuring djshox's death, which may seem opportunist to some. If that was the wolves' intention, nobody picked up on it. I just wanted to make you all aware in case something else comes up in relation to eb's death.

I also want everyone to remember, because this may make a difference in all fairness, I was going to vote for ap before Snapps did. Not sure HOW it could make a difference, but it might be something to remember if anyone wants to analyze ap's strategy and see if there's a connection to eb's death. I don't see a connection myself, though.

[User6773]

I want to see this 'iron triangle' log, because it's a bullshit theory. Omega and LD maybe, but those 2 wankers are high up on my suspicion list right now.

I gave you a forum warning once for offensive posting during your tirade, and told you if you did it again you would be removed from the game.

I see this post as an example of such, but it was only a small infraction, I'm going to be a bit more concrete this time:

Break the swear filter again and you're gone from the game.

Or, since your profanities are most colorful, use a word that you wouldn't find in a PG movie again and you're gone from the game. I mean it when I say I hold TWG players to a higher standard of maturity.

P.S., this post has nothing to do with whether you're a wolf or a human. It has to do with you conducting yourself in a civilized manner.

[Kilgamayan]

Glad to see I was such a help.

[talisman]

Tass I think you kind of misinterpreted some of my posts, or else I just wasn't terribly clear in the first place. Whatever.

Trying to throw my name around as a possible wolf with less than zero evidence (taking things I say in the PREGAME is retarded).

I mentioned you under my list of things that worried me, not things that seemed wolfish to me. But I did bring up the (in my opinion fair) possibility that you could be a wolf and then discussed how the ramifications of your new "style" would fall into play. In no way was I trying to suggest that you definitiely were a wolf simply because you had a new style, or because if you were having a new style would help you, etc. The reason I mentioned you in the first place is that, especially on day one, everyone relies on largely behavioral observations and since you already had a pre-stated change in behavior, it would obviously be much more difficult for me or anyone else to "read" you, so to speak. It was a fair concern, I thought, and I posted it.

His 1st post is SOOO wolfish it isn't even funny. I looked back a few games, and it is always a wolf who makes the "oh, that makes sense as a kill" comment at the start of day 1.

I definitely don't recall saying that the hans kill "made sense" or anything like that... I think I just posted my first impression (in the form of a query, no less) about why he was killed. If guess you thought I implied this "oh that makes sense as a kill" comment somehow? Kind of a stretch... I think what I posted was more of a "is this maybe why the wolves killed him?" comment. But whatever, that's really nitpicky stuff anyway.

Also, his attempt to start a chat is just like eb did in TWGX. He was a wolf, and started the chat in the hopes of making himself blend it.

eb also started the chat in eleven (or at least he invited me into it), and was human then. But that's kind of besides the point. I tried to get the chat going because I thought it had become a sort of standard thing, and I always like sitting in it and watching people talk, seeing how they react on the spot, etc. I KNOW in the past at some point you messaged me, and asked me who I had talked to in that particular game, and I said something like "no one really" and you couldn't believe it. Then I went on to explain that I usually just sit in the chat and observe there, as far as my aim activity went, and you criticized me for limiting my information gathering capacity. The point is, I thought having a chat around, especially with so little work with day one, would be a good idea.

Now, I'm not going to go back and quote his day 1/2 posts from TWG15, but needless to say... They are much more helpful and informative. What I see from Talisman in his day 1 posts is the overwhelming desire to COME ACROSS as just one of the guys.

You're comparing posts between games where on day one we had virtually nothing but a bitchy aperson to work with (I wasn't even around to get any thoughts in when he "sprung" his trap) and a game where we had one confirmed human in you, a sure alliance started, and, most importantly, a master wolf that was chosen and the psychology of the wolves could be analyzed. What I'm trying to say is that I'm more informative when there's more information... and there hasn't been as much this game (though there is a bit now... I need to think on the recent "triangle" speculations and whatnot).

As for your stuff about me seeming like I'm doing such and such... whatever. If you read it that way then you read it that way. I honestly haven't made any conscious changes to how I post, so I'm not sure what you mean.

Hope that clarifies things some.

[blahblah18]

wow, actually a coherent post... I don't know if that makes me more or less suspicious though... gotta think on it...

Also, to clarify, in NO WAY do I feel that all 3 of AP/LD/omega are wolves, it woudl defeat the purpose of the whole conept i'm bringing forth.

The idea was this
A) Most people will feel pretty confident in ap's humanity, or at least in himn being outspoken this game (I personally have mild doubts, but only because I know he is capable of it)
B) a wolf would then try to appear like an AP croney, and make it as blatantly obvious as possible, thus aligning the 2 together.

So of the people that seemed to do this, Omega by far seemed the most animated and enthusiastic in merely just setting himself in the AP camp. That was all I meant in anything I said

[Omeganitros]

Oh.

Well, not much I can do about that. Once aperson showed that he was actually using his brain and caring, I decided he wasn't worth losing. And I was worried nobody else would change their vote.

[Snapps]

Oh.

Someone IM'd me on AIM. I forgot who but they said they saved me on night 1 or so.

Then I was like OMG I FORGOT I WAS PLAYING so I posted and such.

I'm sorry i'm not a lot of help its just no one wants to discuss anything over AIM at all. Makes playing not really fun.

[lightdarkness]

Oh.

Someone IM'd me on AIM. I forgot who but they said they saved me on night 1 or so.

Then I was like OMG I FORGOT I WAS PLAYING so I posted and such.

I'm sorry i'm not a lot of help its just no one wants to discuss anything over AIM at all. Makes playing not really fun.

A) Someone doesn't come to you... saying they guard'd you when there was no sucessful guard.

B) What?

[flypie743]

Maybe they meant "saved him night 1" as in reminded him he was in the game? If not, maybe the guardian contacted Snapps say they are guarding him...which would be kind of dumb because unless Snapps was seered there was no way the guardian could've known that Snapps was human.

[talisman]

I'm starting to hate these six o clock day endings... I have to work today from 1-7, which basically means I have to be absent AGAIN for the time when the real "action" happens and the voting starts to shake out.

In any event, I really don't feel prepared to vote right now. Omega seems very wolfish to me if I consider him to be a devious and quick-witted player and very human if I consider him more of a casual, nonchalant player. His reputation outside the game leads me to believe that it's more the casual style that he adopts rather than the cunning, but I could easily be wrong. The one game we played together (where his blue-ness was announced early) he didn't really post that much, usually just to put down a vote, so I'm not really sure how to read him. In any event, I don't know enough about him or suspect him enough to give him a second vote.

Right now I'm kind of worrying about the people who are flying way under the radar: flypie, snapps, kilga, and mead. Flypie and mead always seem like this to me, so they don't worry me as much. Kilga normally doesn't contribute that much (although perhaps he's been contributing less this game than in past ones). That leaves snapps, who I honestly believe is probably just posting his random "oh I'm playing" stuff probably due to noobiness, but I don't want to take a chance. Combine this with his random "I got saved night one" comment (impossible... the seer would have to know the guardian and have seered him and why the hell would the wolves attack snapps in the first place?) and he has just enough suspicion to justify my (albeit phantom-avoidance) vote.

[stretchypanda]

ARRRRGH! I had this whole thing typed out, and it wasn't anything great, but I was signed out for being idle and lost it! Boo!

Okay, so. I have to be getting on the road soon to go to my parents' new house, so I will again be away from a computer when voting ends.

I'm voting aperson. I'm still really unsettled by his behavior during Day 1. The fact that he gave absolutely no logic as to why people should take their votes off him and vote otherwise (or did I miss something?) just bothers me. And saying that now gets me wondering if I should be worried about AP or about the people who bandwagoned with him without question. Whatever. Vote stands because I doubt highly that it will affect anything.

@Snapps: Weren't you banned for being a tool?

@everyone else: Ask Guido how drunk I was last night.

[mead1]

I'm sorry I haven't posted much guys. I just haven't had anything to say.

Anyway, my vote (subject to change) is for aperson. I know, I did vote Snapps because of him being on his list Day 1, but the more I look back, the fishier it looks. The problem with ap is that he is smart, really smart. So I don't know wether to take his ploy as a trap for the wolves, or an excellent ploy to seem human. As of now, I will go for the latter.