TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

Freezin I don't think you've evaluated any of my play recently. Any opinions? Currently I don't even have anything to discuss with you because the only thing you're really pushing on at this point is that only town voted on me (from your perspective). Is there anyone that you think would have voted on me if they were mafia?

From my perspective? Only town voted for you period. If you think I'm a wolf stop shading me and come after me bro.

And yes, the wagon being town only significantly increases the odds of you being a wolf.

Do you honestly think that all the wolves sat in the sidelines and didn't push either the wagon or counterwagon? I think light had 1-2 wolves on his wagon and you have none because you were about to die and none of the wolves wanted to risk killing you. Manti actually had to vote light last second to save you from kitb, and rest assured I will be going after his ass after your gone.

We are almost past the point of talking and entering the territory of your being mechanically the best lynch today as far as odds of hitting a wolf go. Excuse me if I'm not hanging on your every word.

[tiloco217]

Taking a break to recompose is fine. When you get back I'd like to know which reads you particularly didn't like. You've brought up some issues but I feel like I've explained every question you've asked me. Also the only read I feel like you can call lazy is the Blind read and maybe MML but I've explained those ones too.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I think that you three were the only ones that really had the option to vote on me and not look VERY suspicious today. Why would they put suspicion on themselves if regardless of which wagon got killed a town was dying?

What the shit is this. Why would anyone look suspicious if they voted you. You were counter wagon it was in the air that light wagon was probably not a hit.

If anything like mml said, people who didn't switch off looked terrible

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

since i'm not to keen on this game please tell my why raeko gave you the ickys

I'll explain this when I'm home on a computer and can multiquote

[tiloco217]

To clarify I actually have you leaning town freezin. What I'm saying is there is no reason for mafia to have voted on me regardless of my alignment.

Take a minute to enter the world where I am town.

From your perspective no mafia voted for me but if I'm town why wouldn't they?

The reason is because nobody else could change their vote to me with <10 minutes in the day and not come out with a lot of scum when I flipped town.

Some mafia could have been ok with this if they were going to save a mafia from being lynched by killing me but that's not the case. Assuming I'm town then a town was going to die either way on that day.

So if I'm town mafia have no reason to vote on me. It's still true that if I'm mafia then mafia have no reason to vote on me but the votes really can't tell you my alignment. You need to be reading me based on my play

[tiloco217]

If I died instead because a mafia put a vote on me then it would just look like a world of light plus whatever mafia put their vote on me

[tiloco217]

now they are in a mafia circle that they didn't have to be in

[tiloco217]

the reason why you aren't mafia for going on me is because you already believed I was mafia before the vote. The progression of the read was already there. Because of that you could have placed the vote as either alignment so it's not alignment indicative. It's the same logic

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

If I died instead because a mafia put a vote on me then it would just look like a world of light plus whatever mafia put their vote on me

Except not because the wagon wouldn't be confirmed town only

[FreezinIce]

Listen, I'll give it the college try and rethink things from perspective of you being town and see if I come up with anything.

[tiloco217]

roundbox and haku were already very town read before the vote and you were fairly town read (with some notable exceptions). It also makes a big deal that they would have been the one to hammer the vote. And nobody else in the thread had a reason to vote on me.

That last point is probably the most important one and you keep glossing over it.

You three were the only active players that had not taken me off the table at the time. The lurkers could have thrown a vote on me but they would have all taken a lot of pressure from the vote and a lurker mafia definitely doesn't want that

[FreezinIce]

While I'm doing this, I think you need to consider selling out one of your partners to live another phase.

[FreezinIce]

Seriously though. Your saying your not a wolf. dead peeps arnt wolves. I'm not a wolf, and most likely indheart and mml arnt wolves. So where are the wolves and why did they vote the way they did at eod.

If you want to live time to get your hands dirty and show me something I haven't seen from you yet: aggression

[FreezinIce]

Rereading your recent stuff all I can think is lukewarm. Where's the conviction? The drive to win the game for town?

[tiloco217]

The mafia are probably within: Xiz, Tokzic, Xel, Soundwave, Cel, MML

That's in order of most likely to least likely

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I understand everything you put in this post but I would like some more reasoning behind it. I partially understand how you got to these points from your read-along posts but I would like it clearly laid out so I can see where your head's at

3) inDheart
4) MixMasterLar
5) Celirra
6) XelNya
9) Tokzic
10) tiloco217
11) DarkManticoreX2
12) blindreper1179
13) Wayward Vagabond
14) DaBackPack
16) Soundwave-
17) FreezinIce


I don't really think I need to give more reasoning behind what I already said. I feel like I am in a good mindset for this game.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Magenta is flipped towns

Blue is myself

lightknight (4)- inDheart, Lar, Celirra, Manti
Lar (1)- blind
soundwave (1)- Xel
FreezinIce (1)- Xiz
DBP (2)- Tokzic, lightknight
Xel (2)- tiloco, DBP
tiloco (3)- roundbox, haku, FreezinIce
inDheart (1)- Soundwave

Tokzic and Tiloco seem like a potential pair from distancing, and more importantly the votes at the end of D0. The Tokzic + DBP interactions seem more W/T then not. Doubt it's T/T and I really really don't see a W/W between them. I'm putting DBP into green due to his d1 EOD and I like where his vote was at the end of D1, understanding it from what DBP seemed to have been thinking (felt mor ereal then not)

I like freez now, and I was probably wrong about him being a wolf. His vote on tiloco looks really good, and it's interesting to note the tiloco wagon being RB and Haku. I doubt that tiloco would have killed RB or Haku but if Tokzic is a wolf then I could absolutly see that combo.

For light's wagon, Indheart, MML, Cel and Manti.

I like where MML is currently, and his mindset. We did some mindmelding and I like where MML is currently headed and think he is showing his strong town game now. Before during D1 I didnt think so but then again I really wasn't that active d1 so lolz.

Indheart simply is town. His work and read changes show his town game and I see no reason why he should be on the table today.

Also, for MML and Ind judging how the end of D1 went, the two first people on this wagon seem more human then not.

For Cel, it's kinda just who is left. I have nothing on cel and his posts have been okay but haven't stood out to me.

Manti I've swapped on, I thought he was playing really towny but the EOD sucks. However i'm only swapping him to wolf just because of the vote at EOD. I need to thgink about him more but my gut still says town. Votes apparently say more then reads when it comes to situations like this so who knows.

Not looking at WV today.

Soundwave hasn't really been on my radar in comparison to everyone else so I'll keep evaluating.

Xel could be a wolf solely because of the WV post but I don't think my time is best spent at xel today compared to tok or tiloco.

If we lynch in my red pool I think we are good. I really think flipping tokzic will give us most info.

[FreezinIce]

Intresting. No Manti? Why xiz?

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Intresting. No Manti? Why xiz?

? huh

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Xiz

? huh

oh not directed at me nvm

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Can we please kill tiloco today and look for connections from there

Rather tokzic over Tiloco currently if it was between the two.