TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Xiz]

MML and Blind interactions and fights seem town town

[tiloco217]

Originally Posted by Xiz

MML and Blind interactions and fights seem town town

Why do you get that impression?

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Roundbox only really gave out one wolf read in tiloco and two half wolf reads in mml trending down and tokzic playing a "deep wolf"

Tiloco killing roundbox seems dumb, but tokzic killing him to stop the read from progressing seems possible.

Anyone believe a tiloco and tokzix pair?

Their distancing seems like it would

[Xiz]

Tox voting dbp makes Dbp look gowny

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Magenta is flipped towns

Blue is myself

lightknight (4)- inDheart, Lar, Celirra, Manti
Lar (1)- blind
soundwave (1)- Xel
FreezinIce (1)- Xiz
DBP (2)- Tokzic, lightknight
Xel (2)- tiloco, DBP
tiloco (3)- roundbox, haku, FreezinIce
inDheart (1)- Soundwave

Not sure if people have talked about this more yet but I think this is really really important to look at actually

[Xiz]

If tokzix is a wolf then tiloco is a wolf. It would then make DBP towny more, which would mean that from the light wagon manti and cel would be suspicious. I don't see ind and lar being wolves just wrong from what I have seen so far today.

Tokzix/iloco/manti/cel?

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Anyone believe a tiloco and tokzix pair?

Their distancing seems like it would

I threw it out I think a page ago, or so as a bit off handed, but it's definitely in my mind.

Also agree on mml/blind as t/t. At the least, mml seemed genuine and blind is ok based off other points if not their interactions. If it came down to it i would but mml as more town than blind

[Xiz]

Wait freez is a pr?? Whoops I missed that was is he

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

I think town Xel pressures Soundwave.

I'm trying to think who I would expect to be doing the pressuring, and while Xel isn't at the top of my list, I'd account that more to the fact that people, myself included, need to do a collective stepping up of game.

Xel plays more when it's important. Not sure if he cares about the game yet or not

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

how would you even know what a town post from me would look like if this is my first game?

I don't need to have a meta to establish if I think your post has a tone of wanting town to win, or if you want town to lose. I can look for that in your posting and at least have something better than nothing.

Originally Posted by tiloco217

About Xel: I think that if anyone but Xel had made his big post I would have liked it. The thought process was clearly laid out and most things he said felt pretty natural. That said I can't shake the feeling that he was basically required to do an effort post like that. It could be confirmation bias but I'm not pulling him out of scumlean on that post alone.

@Xel about roundbox: Posting a mafia read on me and then immediately voting is random when he didn't vocally have that read before then. I also didn't like his reasoning behind it. It's not hard to make an argument for just about anyone to be mafia so not seeing the progression + not liking the reasoning was enough for me to be wary. The same logic applies to freezin. Saying <10 minutes before eod that light shouldn't be the lynch isn't hard to do as mafia but I don't think he has a reason to as mafia in this scenario.

@Cel about my mafia team statement at eod: It was individual reads with no reason to believe that any of you couldn't be partners. I think you are actually in the most worlds right now btw but that probably comes from you being around a shorter amount of time.

@WV: how much experience do you have with the game in general? Other forums, Live, irl, etc...

About Tokzic: I started writing this mostly about his scumlean on me but after iso'ing him he's looking VERY scummy all of a sudden. I didn't like his opening because it was just a couple reads with no reasoning and then gone for a day. He didn't have any other significant moments until the last 6 or so hours of day0 he came back with a bunch of relaxed posts spinning a world where the mafia are mostly in talkative people. I've already said that I think he could easily make relaxed posts as either alignment so that doesn't matter much. However I'm reading most of the talkative people towny so him spinning that world doesn't jive well with me. (Note he also made a list that he said had 2 mafia including Xiz, Xel, DBP, and Blind. I would not put it past him to make a swag play and put two partners in that. Very very light read and totally confirmation bias). His scumlean on me is weird too. His reasoning behind it is shaky and mostly consists of things he never said so it's hard to analyze well.

I probably want Tokzic dead more than I want Xel dead now. A reads list with in depth explanations on a few (asking for in depth on all is probably a bit much) would be really helpful.

@Soundwave: Not liking your latest contributions but I'm going to reserve judgement until after you get back. Again, reads list with in depth explanations on a few would help a lot.

@Xiz: Looking forward to your effort post

@MML: Every time you say Triloco I die a little inside

So what you're saying is you're valuing a meta read over anything my content tells you, even though you yourself have said I have "been playing wierd" which ought to be a hint to yourself your meta read might not be the strongest lean to go off of.

Because I don't see anything related to my content that leans me downward for you. All I see is "he's not posting how I expect / notes on roundbox section" and nothing about anything else I really said. I pretty much called out Lar harder than anyone and you're not even touching it.

Consider me kind of frustrated. I even like the majority of your post here. Do I need to start breaking a post like that in half?

Like, I don't get why regardless of the game if I wall post I tend to get scum read for it.

Originally Posted by Tokzic

how is nobody talking about dbp or xel after that eod

It's like you skipped a bunch of posts when reading the thread or something man.

Cel has touched on me, as has lar, I touched on dbp, like rly. If we all spent time dragging up the AFK's we're not gonna get the best lynch possible from the process, and you know that. Letting them fly is bad, we got you, but what information do we get out of flipping dbp that lar wouldn't give us better?

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

how would you even know what a town post from me would look like if this is my first game?

Actually this is a very very good observation

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Actually this is a very very good observation

No it's not

[XelNya]

Xiz senpai please don't make me fight you on that

you know as well as I do how little value that post actually has

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

Why do you get that impression?

When MML wolf fights he usually does it in a way where he just starts throwing out complete bullshit, and not actually making relevant posts that continue the game. Blind posts simply didn't read wolfy, especially how blind kept trying to show his point and willing to adapt instead of proving how right he thinks he is

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Xiz senpai please don't make me fight you on that

you know as well as I do how little value that post actually has

He's coming at the game from a fresh new perspective with no meta or anything which is valuable. I want to hear more and listen to him

[Xiz]

Caught up yay.

[Xiz]

tokzix

[tiloco217]

@Xel: I didn't really want to give that read because I knew it wouldn't help things but I couldn't just ignore it. I've been asking you to effort post and then you did and I still didn't like it even though I liked what you said. I definitely appreciate you doing more but my gut is just telling me mafia. I'm going to give it a little more time, let you get a few more good posts in, and then try to re-evaluate based on content alone. Keep content coming.

[tiloco217]

freezin did not say he was pr by the way. Was a misunderstanding from Xel

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Actually this is a very very good observation

Originally Posted by Xiz

He's coming at the game from a fresh new perspective with no meta or anything which is valuable. I want to hear more and listen to him

Nice change there. No one would argue the second post.

But that had little to do with the first.

Originally Posted by tiloco217

@Xel: I didn't really want to give that read because I knew it wouldn't help things but I couldn't just ignore it. I've been asking you to effort post and then you did and I still didn't like it even though I liked what you said. I definitely appreciate you doing more but my gut is just telling me mafia. I'm going to give it a little more time, let you get a few more good posts in, and then try to re-evaluate based on content alone. Keep content coming.

I guess I can go with this. Not happy about it, but that's the game I play I suppose.

Originally Posted by tiloco217

freezin did not say he was pr by the way. Was a misunderstanding from Xel

Very much a misunderstanding on my end.