TWG CLXIX: TWGabout Revolution - GAME THREAD

[XelNya]

Let me do some wagonomics for the fuck of it.

[XelNya]

Well, my version of it.

Heh.

[flashflash account]

My wolf buddies privately told me I shouldn't be going after xel so I expertly switched reads on him

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by sanzath

Random shit that probably nobody else will bring up, but I noted down times people have gotten popcorn, which could either be nothing or it could be cute distancing



^in response to freezin vs sunfan



^in response to blind vs MML



^same thing, but lmao maki sheeping storn's popcorn is funny because of Lurker's earlier theory on them sheeping each other

btw in my work I'm doing I re-stumbled across this.

That would be absolutely priceless.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

My wolf buddies privately told me I shouldn't be going after xel so I expertly switched reads on him

Would you feel bad about this post if I said my work is leading me to think you're possibly a wolf?

[XelNya]

Side note for you I feel might being important:

Post count theory is bull shit

[XelNya]

Also why do you have three pages of posts to weed through

there's so much garbage in hereeeeeeeeeeee

even more than meeeeeeeeeeee

[Wayward Vagabond]

Hey xel if you were a wolf what kind of wolf would u be

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

I literally haven't read another post in this thread yet but hold up.

MAKILAZ IS A GIRL?

yes

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Hey xel if you were a wolf what kind of wolf would u be

You were expecting a wolf, but instead here have a gif of Toshinou Kyouko.



Also going to not answer this on the basis of encroaching self-meta.

Also gonna tldr this post:

Sunfam / Lurker / FFA have done some heavy distancing / bussing / and are being possibly active wolves in an attempt to get a deep wolf. Right now this feels like my personal best lynch pool for today.

Many spoilers to separate for purposes.

Votes On them

note .5's for self votes because they're stupid af

Sunfam: 4.5
Xel: 2
Freezin 1
Blind: 0
Lurker: 1.5
Sanzath: 0
FFA: 6
Haku: 3
Manti: 1
Lar: 4
Mellon: 0
Hatred: 0
InD: 1
Makil: 3
Xizu: 3
Wayward: 0
Storn: 2.5


Votes made:

Sunfam: 4
Xel: 3
Freezin 2
Blind: 3
Lurker: 4
Sanzath: 0
FFA: 6
Haku: 2
Manti: 1
Lar: 1
Mellon: 0
Hatred: 2
InD: 0
Makil: 2
Xizu: 3
Wayward: 0
Storn: 4


Here's what I take out of this.

There's two people from the top worth skimming around:

FFA: 6
Sunfam: 4.5

And the bottom two:

FFA: 6
Sunfam: 4 / Lurker: 4

Oh. That's a tad interesting, that these two players both have the highest votes placed, and the highest votes placed on them.

PS: they're worth noting due to the larger numbers... and:

Did they vote each other?

No.

Interesting. Interesting.

Maybe Lurker?

Oh interesting. Lurker has voted sunfam, and lurker has had a vote placed on him from FFA.

Wait what? Coincidence you say?

What are those? Can I eat them? Are they tasty?

Let's take a peek at some posts.

Originally Posted by lurker

i want flashflash to post full reads lists every six hours including on himself
if he ever fails to do this he is a prosecutor

Originally Posted by lurker

some people just want to watch the world burn
sunfan

Originally Posted by lurker

y'know what the funniest part is
i genuinely think he could be scum because he posted this far earlier than i'd expect

Early distancing?

Originally Posted by lurker

i see absolutely nothing about freezin trying to read you in this game

Very far apart.

I'm not gonna go through all the posts, and yes, I've left some out, shocker I know.

But you get the idea.

Let me add some later in the day posts as of right now, the argument is going to be "but xel them's all early game."

Originally Posted by lurker

i actually refuse to believe you actually refuse to believe this

Oh wait this is on FFA wut?

Originally Posted by lurker

i actually doubt he thinks sunfan is the SK but if he does i might lynch him for softing his read so lazily

Or for maybe a partner?

Let's hit the one reads list he's given:

Originally Posted by lurker

oh is this a thing now
1. thesunfan- scum lean due to lack of commitment to the shitposting cause LOL not really
2. Xelnya- i guess town because of how he caught his own slip among other things, also he does far less as scum iirc
3. FreezinIce- towny but seriously wasting everyone's gaddam time and my patience is wearing out, expect me to reread him tomorrow if he does the same shit in a shorter day phase
4. blindreper1179- read unavailable at this time due to lack of information (should double check)
5. lurker- confirmed scum
6. sanzath- town, i like the amount of thinking he's doing given how new he is
7. flashflash account- effectively dumbtelling green
8. Hakulyte- town lean, i think he's putting in some good effort
9. DarkManticoreX2- who
10. MixMasterLar- scum lean for [redacted]
11. mellonxcollie- read unavailable at this time due to lack of information
12. Hateandhatred- pure null. memey and the whole "quebec crew would scumread me if i didn't insta" thing is bizarre but this is in line with what he would say irl
13. inDheart- confirmed town for commitment to the shitposting cause UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE AROUND HERE
14. Makilaz- hoo boy. this one's hard because i know from the undertale game that she can get legit fuckin angry as town but at the same time i have to consider that she is more than capable of faking that anger and use it to up the overall bitterness of the game. honestly scum lean based on that
15. Xiz- town, obviously going for a logic bomb approach since he can't be around all the time
16. Wayward Vagabond- read unavailable at this time due to lack of information
17. storn42- town lean, i'm backing off on the collusion thing

Sunfan one thing FFA the other? Yep. Check.

Does it line up with the narrative of votes as of right now???

Reducing list to: Lurker, Sunfam, and FFA references.

Originally Posted by roundbox

VOTE COUNT
thesunfan -> thesunfan
flashflash account -> Makilaz
Hateandhatred -> thesunfan
lurker -> thesunfan
thesunfan -> Hakulyte
Hakulyte -> flashflash acount
Makilaz -> flashflash account
storn42 -> flashflash account
Hateandhatred -> Unvote
flashflash account -> lurker
flashflash account -> Makilaz
thesunfan -> Unvote
storn42 -> flashflash account
Xiz -> flashflash account
flashflash account -> Xiz
Xiz -> Hakulyte
flashflash account -> MixMasterLar
flashflash account -> Xiz
thesunfan -> Xelnya
lurker -> lurker
lurker -> Unvote
lurker -> flashflash account

Sunfam hasn't voted FFA
Sunfam hasn't voted Lurker.

This makes sense for sunfam think it or not.

Lurker has voted sunfam, and has been voted by FFA.

And FFA has been voted by lurker back.

I found possible bussing guys look at this work I actually did holy shit fucks.

Let's peek at FFA to see if I can corroborate via posting.

Well, let's just start with his recent read's list.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

1. thesunfan-slight scum
2. Xelnya-town
3. FreezinIce-slight scum
4. blindreper1179-town
5. lurker-town
6. sanzath-slight scum
7. flashflash account-what shall we have for lunch
8. Hakulyte-lock town
9. DarkManticoreX2-we'll see
10. MixMasterLar-town
11. mellonxcollie-looks scum this page
12. Hateandhatred-slight town essentially null
13. inDheart-slight scum
14. Makilaz-scum
15. Xiz-scum
16. Wayward Vagabond-town
17. storn42-town

As you can see I more or less have seven people in my scum pile but the good news is a red flip on any of them cascades into more red flips

I won't lynch anyone outside of them today except maybe storn

Raeko is not a d0 lynch nor is Sun fan or freezin

We see two important things that don't work here.

1. Why would you have sunfam as slight scum, but not in the lynch pile. I agree with the notion sunfam isn't usually a good d0 but if he's scum leaned, why not have him as a canidate?
2. Lurker Probably shouldn't be a town read for you.

Especially when he gets asked for a d0 list and he gives you this fucking nonsense:

Originally Posted by lurker

The Fifth Amendment (Amendment V) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights and protects individuals from being compelled to be witnesses against themselves in criminal cases. "Pleading the Fifth" is a colloquial term for invoking the right that allows witnesses to decline to answer questions where the answers might incriminate them, and generally without having to suffer a penalty for asserting the right. Defendants cannot be compelled to become witnesses at their own trials. If, however, they choose to testify, they are not entitled to the right during cross-examination, where questions are relevant to their testimony on direct examination.[1] The Amendment requires that felonies be tried only upon indictment by a grand jury. Federal grand juries can force people to take the witness stand, but defendants in those proceedings have Fifth Amendment privileges until they choose to answer any question. To claim the privilege for failure to answer when being interviewed by police, the interviewee must have explicitly invoked the constitutional right when declining to answer questions.

The Amendment's Double Jeopardy Clause provides the right to be tried only once in federal court for the same offense. The Amendment also has a Due Process Clause (similar to the one in the 14th Amendment) as well as an implied equal protection requirement (Bolling v. Sharpe). Finally, the Amendment requires that the power of eminent domain be coupled with "just compensation" for those whose property is taken.

Lurker is a player who can disrupt the game as scum, and is very good at leading the game as town. He pretty much told you to go fuck yourself.

Something a town shouldn't be doing, when as the rest of your post history leads me to think you're possibly town. And why you accept this, even during a shit posting filled day, is beyond me.

Also, there's not really anything super strong from lurker to lean him either way for me. In ltwg, if he's town he will grab command of a game when he hits something, but doesn't shy away from dropping things and ideas, which he's not doing here.

I have no reason to town read lurker.
I have a reason to townread you, but there's some flaws in your reads if you asked me that keep me from it.
There's no reason for you to have sunfam as slight scum with no reasoning since the first reads post you gave in the game.
I feel there's one to two wolves in the three of you. There's zero chance you're all t / t / t in this context. There's so much distancing it's obvious there's at least one. And there's no reason to distance hard.
Bussing is a thing I feel you three coulld do safely, with no communication. However, there's certainly pregame communication given the setup pregame phase. This would be [i]lightwork[i] for you all.

You've all acted with each other, and distanced. Something I do with my partners to a fault. I see a trend I would do, and I'm curious how many wolves are in the three of you.

I strongly advocate a lynch within the three, and strangely enough, I think I want it to be sunfam. And my reasoning is the tact he used with Xiz.

It's not Xiz he's doing it with. The execution is drastically different, to a point where I am torn on wanting to town read him.

I don't think if I push him it will lead anywhere because some stupid fuck is gonna claim i'm omgusing, which is some shit.

So I'm left between Lurker and you.

And I think we need to lynch you. You're acting a lot like I do, with a lot more antagonising tones to your posts, and that you have a wider array of skill than I do.

PS:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Well not sure there's much to be said if you're still scum leaning me after all this.

Let me give you a peak behind the curtain.

I've played with ffa. What he's doing is well within expected values for him.

Other players who have played with him have said the same thing and are townleaning him

At some point you have to acknowledge that you're not in possession of all the relevant information.

You've already seemed to done that (which is good)

Now you have to stop clinging to your read on him and look elsewhere because that is a road to nowhere. I don't see it ever gaining traction today, it's wrong, and it's apparently coloring your read on me negatively.

I'm giving ffa wide liberties not because I'm his partner and I'm somehow petrified of implicating him, but because I understand his playstyle and he's brought up salient points that while unpopular have resonated with me.

If one of them is sunfan / too tired to check after this so far / I think it may be worth being a bit more skeptical.

Or rather, do you know what he plays like when he's wolf?

or more specifically, would wolf FFA act the weay he has with lurker and sunfam?

PPS:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

1. thesunfan-slight scum
2. Xelnya-town
3. FreezinIce-town trending towny
4. blindreper1179-town
5. lurker-slight scum
6. sanzath-null
7. flashflash account-lock town
8. Hakulyte-lock town (see above)
9. DarkManticoreX2-idk man ask him
10. MixMasterLar-slight town
11. mellonxcollie-not high again
12. Hateandhatred-town
13. inDheart-slight scum
14. Makilaz-big scum
15. Xiz-bagel
16. Wayward Vagabond-wayward vigi
17. storn42-slight town

Originally Posted by flashflash account

1. thesunfan-scum
2. Xelnya-town
3. FreezinIce-town
4. blindreper1179-town
5. lurker-slight scum
6. sanzath-scum
7. flashflash account-hi
8. Hakulyte-town
9. DarkManticoreX2-manti rule
10. MixMasterLar-town
11. mellonxcollie-devaluing my reads on her, seems to be "Unexpectedly Absent"
12. Hateandhatred-slight scum
13. inDheart-scum
14. Makilaz-definitely scum with sanz
15. Xiz-town
16. Wayward Vagabond-slight scum
17. storn42-least scummy out of all the scum reads but still scummy

Other read's lists from FFA for the sake of thought. I dunno what Lurker did to earn a town read from you.

Care to elaborate in detail?

flashflash account

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

yes

All Tsun, no dere.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

You'll find out coming to a D1 near you.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I'm not claiming shit. I'm NOT a wolf, but he's dead.

this is super gross and i can't figure out why a town would do this

would you like to explain this at any point or are you just going to keep repeating "he's dead" over and over again

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by XelNya

so many words

god damn this is a hell of a good post

[Wayward Vagabond]

Xel might be town omg

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

this is super gross and i can't figure out why a town would do this

would you like to explain this at any point or are you just going to keep repeating "he's dead" over and over again

He's dead, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

He's dead, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead

awesome, thanks for solidifying my wolf read

[Makilaz]

wolf or sk, either way really

[Hakulyte]

If FFA is a wolf, he's working really hard on making sure he doesn't survive D0.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Maybe that's his meta ? ?

[FreezinIce]

Xel makes a great post and all I can do is giggle stupidly su how he made a pun

"Wagons the gathering"

Heh