jTWG XVII Chat Fallouts

[Lightknight924]

Originally Posted by gonzo4life44

rsr1234567890 (3:17:15 PM): light is changing his vote just to keep me in

Hey rsr, I've been voting out Tasuke since the beginning. I only voted dawg because I thought we should get rid of the inactives. Right now, I'm concerned with my gut feelings. Tasuke, is a disturbence in the force.

[FishFishRevolution]

Hey Chromer, you're playing textbook day 1 wolf, give it up. Here's my analysis:

First post states the obvious coupled with wolf analyzing (and a little bit of self boosting) by saying whoever the wolves are know what they're doing. That's what wolves do on their first posts, along with explaining the reasons for a kill.

Next post you start the suspicion train on rsr, but you don't vote (which is also wolfy, not being aggressive on day 1 until you know you've got support). This doesn't make ANY sense, because you said that the wolves know what they're doing. Then you turn around and vote someone because the didn't know what they were doing (rsr's slip up). =/

When I was a wolf, I did this exact same thing, and when I was reading through the thread, I said to myself "This is just like the time when I started the bandwagon on minineo, but then switched off to save him at the last minute." Next post I read, guess what it is? Chromer switching to dawg who's displaying even greater noob tendancies than rsr. Why do you keep voting the super new players when you said yourself that the wovles are probably smart?

You're playing a sloppy wolf's game Chromer, and it's stopping early.

[chickendude]

oh snap !
an intelligent post

I like what you're thinking there
I don't want to keep my vote on pumble, since I don't think he's the wolf

right now, I think that either Fish is on to something, or he's trying to bail out rsr for some reason. I'm not sure which, but I'm gonna try to find out.

[FishFishRevolution]

Also, I had a lengthy conversation with rsr on AIM, in which I tried to trick him into telling me who his human partner was.

You can read the full conversation if you want, here it is:

5:27:35 PM rsr1234567890: Hey
5:27:40 PM rsr1234567890: welcome to the game
5:27:48 PM insanelikeafish: thanks bud
5:27:56 PM rsr1234567890: your welcome
5:28:04 PM rsr1234567890: at this rate this is the only time i can talk
5:28:04 PM rsr1234567890: lol
5:28:06 PM insanelikeafish: so it sounds a lot like you're going to be lynched today
5:28:10 PM rsr1234567890: o yea
5:28:11 PM rsr1234567890: lol
5:28:17 PM insanelikeafish: so are you a wolf?
5:28:41 PM rsr1234567890: your not allowed to say what you r silly
5:28:45 PM insanelikeafish: it's a simple question
5:28:47 PM insanelikeafish: yes you are
5:28:49 PM rsr1234567890: you can get in trouble and booted
5:28:50 PM insanelikeafish: you're supposed to say
5:28:55 PM insanelikeafish: you just can't show your PM
5:29:03 PM insanelikeafish: believe me
5:29:11 PM insanelikeafish: i play TWG
5:29:14 PM insanelikeafish: i know what i'm talking about
5:29:18 PM rsr1234567890: me 2
5:29:23 PM insanelikeafish: well
5:29:28 PM insanelikeafish: are you a wolf or not?
5:29:41 PM insanelikeafish: my vote depends on your answer
5:30:09 PM rsr1234567890: 1 sec im talking to my mom
5:30:13 PM rsr1234567890: she lives in florida
5:30:13 PM insanelikeafish: oka
5:30:15 PM insanelikeafish: y
5:30:20 PM rsr1234567890: trust me
5:31:02 PM insanelikeafish: on what?
5:31:09 PM insanelikeafish: well is there any reason you shoulnd't be lynched
5:31:22 PM rsr1234567890: well i made one mistake because im a noob
5:31:36 PM rsr1234567890: i dont think its a reason to boot me off
5:31:55 PM insanelikeafish: well if you're a human
5:31:59 PM insanelikeafish: then a wolf is your accuser
5:32:37 PM insanelikeafish: the point of my question is
5:32:43 PM insanelikeafish: if you're desparate enough
5:32:44 PM rsr1234567890: what makes you think im a wolf
5:32:46 PM insanelikeafish: nothing
5:32:53 PM insanelikeafish: besides the fact that you won't tell me you're human
5:33:13 PM insanelikeafish: now
5:33:19 PM insanelikeafish: here's how this is going to work
5:33:20 PM rsr1234567890: what makes you think im going to answer a question like that
5:33:27 PM insanelikeafish: we're going to exchange roles
5:33:31 PM insanelikeafish: I'm a human
5:33:35 PM insanelikeafish: regular old green
5:33:38 PM insanelikeafish: what are you?
5:33:57 PM insanelikeafish: the only reason you would have to hide your role is if you were a wolf or a blue
5:34:51 PM insanelikeafish: now
5:34:54 PM insanelikeafish: this is a simple question
5:35:13 PM insanelikeafish: the fact that you're hesitating to answer so much makes me really believe you are a wolf
5:35:15 PM rsr1234567890: I am human
5:35:22 PM rsr1234567890: im talking to my mom
5:35:23 PM rsr1234567890: im sorry
5:35:29 PM rsr1234567890: i havn't talk to her in a while
5:35:41 PM insanelikeafish: so you're not a blue role
5:35:54 PM rsr1234567890: no
5:35:58 PM rsr1234567890: plain green
5:36:03 PM insanelikeafish: i believe you
5:36:17 PM insanelikeafish: who's your partner
5:36:20 PM rsr1234567890: so r u going to vote 4 pumble?
5:36:50 PM rsr1234567890: ?
5:36:56 PM insanelikeafish: your partner
5:37:02 PM insanelikeafish: all regular greens get a partner name
5:37:05 PM insanelikeafish: who's yours?
5:37:10 PM rsr1234567890: ok now your going to far
5:37:35 PM insanelikeafish: alright
5:37:37 PM insanelikeafish: i'll tell you my partner
5:37:40 PM insanelikeafish: and then you tell me yours
5:37:41 PM rsr1234567890: don t
5:37:43 PM insanelikeafish: unless you don't have one
5:37:46 PM insanelikeafish: then you'd be a wolf of course
5:37:49 PM rsr1234567890: do not tell me
5:37:54 PM rsr1234567890: i dont want to know
5:38:02 PM insanelikeafish: i'm thinking you don't have a partner
5:38:31 PM insanelikeafish: now that would lead me to believe you are blue, since you don't want to k now my role
5:38:35 PM insanelikeafish: er, my partner
5:38:57 PM rsr1234567890: i answered your question answer mine
5:38:58 PM insanelikeafish: alright
5:39:02 PM insanelikeafish: okay
5:39:05 PM insanelikeafish: what's your question
5:39:12 PM rsr1234567890: Will you vote for pumble
5:39:23 PM insanelikeafish: i don't know who i'm voting yet
5:40:03 PM rsr1234567890: or tasuke
5:40:38 PM insanelikeafish: now how did you know i was suspicious of pumble
5:40:43 PM insanelikeafish: either lightknight is your partner
5:40:45 PM insanelikeafish: or your wolf buddy
5:40:51 PM insanelikeafish: because he's the only person i told
5:41:30 PM rsr1234567890: everybody is suspicious of pumble but after i posted one minor noobish mistake they changed their vote to me
5:41:40 PM insanelikeafish: i only see one vote to pumble
5:41:45 PM insanelikeafish: a vote on pumble wouldn't save you
5:41:52 PM rsr1234567890: yes it would
5:42:03 PM rsr1234567890: its right now 3-4
5:42:05 PM rsr1234567890: me 4
5:42:16 PM rsr1234567890: psycho said he will cahnge his vote
5:42:18 PM insanelikeafish: ah i ssee
5:42:19 PM rsr1234567890: to save me
5:42:23 PM insanelikeafish: nevermind then
5:42:30 PM rsr1234567890: then light said he will change as well
5:42:38 PM rsr1234567890: then it would be 5-4
5:42:47 PM insanelikeafish: well before i continue this wonderful conversation
5:42:51 PM insanelikeafish: i have to finish reading the thread
5:42:51 PM rsr1234567890: lol
5:42:54 PM insanelikeafish: excuse me one moment
5:42:58 PM rsr1234567890: ok
5:44:14 PM insanelikeafish: what was you noobish mistake?
5:44:24 PM rsr1234567890: read the first page
5:44:43 PM rsr1234567890: i didn't describe why i voted
5:44:54 PM insanelikeafish: ah
5:45:45 PM insanelikeafish: it's chromer
5:45:52 PM insanelikeafish: chromer is a wolf
5:45:58 PM insanelikeafish: i'm almost positive of it
5:46:09 PM rsr1234567890: thats what i think to and pumble
5:46:49 PM insanelikeafish: so you're partnered up with lightknight
5:46:54 PM insanelikeafish: because he defended you
5:47:01 PM insanelikeafish: so both of you are probably human
5:47:12 PM rsr1234567890: can you vote pumble right now
5:47:34 PM insanelikeafish: i won't vote to save you until you confirm that your partner is lightknight
5:47:43 PM insanelikeafish: is he? or am i wrong
5:49:18 PM insanelikeafish: rsr
5:49:30 PM rsr1234567890: sorry talking to torlock
5:49:53 PM rsr1234567890: you must be a special role
5:50:11 PM insanelikeafish: we can talk about me in a second
5:50:15 PM insanelikeafish: you're not on the chopping block
5:50:17 PM insanelikeafish: i'm not*
5:50:39 PM rsr1234567890: you dont get partners if you human silly unless you are blue or red
5:51:04 PM insanelikeafish: well done
5:51:13 PM insanelikeafish: i was trying to make you admit to your partner
5:51:18 PM insanelikeafish: because that's what a wolf would do
5:51:37 PM insanelikeafish: but you went to torlock to make sure i was crazy like you thought i was
5:51:51 PM insanelikeafish: now that would be a very smart thing to do for a careful player
5:52:01 PM insanelikeafish: makes me wonder if it helps or hurts your case
5:52:16 PM rsr1234567890: no torlock wanted me to talk to him because i haven't voted
5:52:46 PM insanelikeafish: i see
5:52:50 PM insanelikeafish: neverthe less
5:52:58 PM insanelikeafish: you didn't admit to having a partner you don't have
5:53:05 PM insanelikeafish: so that's human points in my book

Basically I was like "so who's your partner" and he kept avoiding it because he didn't have one and he thought I was just being weird. His responses make me think that he's a human because a new wolf would have just been like "oh yeah, he's my partner"

PS I don't think Pumble is a wolf either, like I did when I was about 1 page into the thread. The toss up right now is between rsr and Pumble, and I don't think either of them are wolves AT ALL.

[chickendude]

wow, ok now I'm buying this
nice job fish
chromer

[Necamus]

Fish got me convinced over AIM.

Chromer

Also, I don't know how much longer I'll be on tonight, so best to get a vote out.

[dawg4321]

I've made my decision.

Chromer

[Torlock]

Day 1 Voting Guide
rsr2-4(Neonatrias,Pumble,mattc16,gonzo4life44)
Chromer-4(FishFishRevolution,Chickendude,Necamus,dawg4321)
Pumble-2(whiteflame,rsr2)
Dawg4321-2(xObserveRx,Chromer)
gonzo4life44-1(PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR)
Tasuke-1(Lightknight924)

Yet to vote:Tasuke

[FishFishRevolution]

Also, psychic, if tomorrow you get the report that there's only 2 wolves, it might be in your and the general public's best interest to come out. If not come out, then PM me anonymously (or just come to me on AIM, it's up to you) and let me know that there are in fact two wolves left.

This of course only applies if Chromer ends up getting the axe. (coming to me that is)

[Chromer]

Wow, I love how my reasoning to avoid fsck-ups later on in the game with having inexperienced noobs garnered the reasoning (From "Fish" nonetheless) for me being a wolf. Honestly, Fish, you think trying to pressure a noob into saying I'm a wolf is really intelligent? Also let me break down some of your reasoning:

1. You say by me saying the wolves know what they are doing is giving away my wolfiness. Ok, but can I point something out? Observer, Pumble, and others all pointed out that the wolves knew Iggy was a vet. Yet, I say the same and I automatically look wolfish? Bad analysis on your part my friend.

2. You say I post the suspicious train on Rsr2. Ok, I'll admit I wasn't really suspicious of him. I wanted to see how he would react IF I said I was suspicious of him. It seemed to work as everyone started to take notice. Yet, that is a human strategy. Think about it. from what i've seen in the Pro TWG, if one person has just a slight suspicion about someone else, most of the time it's brought up in the forums. I guess you could say that was a sloppy strategy on my part. yet there was nothing remotely wolfy about that either.

3. This is probably the most inane reason you came up with. Yous aid that you bandwagoned Mini to save him. Good for you. But I jumped on dawg to save rsr2/ No. in this game so far, I have yet displayed "wolf-sympathy" for rsr2. It was this post that made me forgive rsr2 for being a noob in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well then if he's inactive, we can get rid of him. No point in inactive players even being in the game. It gives us more possible wolf targets later in the game if we let the inactives live, and also eliminates the possibility of a wolf being inactive all game and flying under the radar.

BUT That's not the only post:

I think it's because rsr is new Chromer. He's not sure what to go with. So I'm going with Tasuke for now. I'm going to keep a closer eye on rsr as the game goes on.

So, in my line of thinking, "Ok know that rsr2 is a noob but at least he is trying to make sense of this. However, dawg has screwed himself over royally but not giving real evidence and saying whatever comes to mind. An inactive noob is worse than a noob who tries. heh, I would SO LOVE to see you pull anything wolfy from that thought.

Yet, you continued by posting a large page stretching convo of your so called "interrogation" of the noob in question. I'm suprised that rsr2 didn't find your questioning blantant and minutely disgusting at how forcefully you were asking. And you said it yourself!

i was trying to make you admit to your partner
because that's what a wolf would do

tell me Fish or ANY OF THOSE WHO VOTED ME, whose my partner? Where's my irefutable wolf proof? What? Don't have any? Aww. That sucks then huh? Fish, obviously from your expertise, you brought up good points about my pseudo-wolf posts, but I hate to break it to you that you're way of course on this one friend. Also your post brings up a rather interesting concept:

3. Players are not allowed to reveal their PMs to anyone else, show screenshots of their PMs to anyone, nor use information within their PMs as a method of confirming humanity. Players are not allowed to reveal conversations relating to the game with the game's host to any other player. Players may not post screenshots of conversations they have with other players.

Now I might be wrong but isn't posting an AIM conversation the SAME as revealing a conversation? Seems like it to me.

[Necamus]

The only problem is, a wolf could all too easily come and say that there are only two left, just to throw you off.

[Tasuke]

Due t otoday being the first day and i have no real suspicions to go on other than one and i don't really want to say it now. So I'm just gonna vote LightKnight
'cuz he's all relentless in voting me although he has no real reason.

[Chromer]

Originally Posted by Chromer

Wow, I love how my reasoning to avoid fsck-ups later on in the game with having inexperienced noobs garnered the reasoning (From "Fish" nonetheless) for me being a wolf. Honestly, Fish, you think trying to pressure a noob into saying I'm a wolf is really intelligent? Also let me break down some of your reasoning:

1. You say by me saying the wolves know what they are doing is giving away my wolfiness. Ok, but can I point something out? Observer, Pumble, and others all pointed out that the wolves knew Iggy was a vet. Yet, I say the same and I automatically look wolfish? Bad analysis on your part my friend.

2. You say I post the suspicious train on Rsr2. Ok, I'll admit I wasn't really suspicious of him. I wanted to see how he would react IF I said I was suspicious of him. It seemed to work as everyone started to take notice. Yet, that is a human strategy. Think about it. from what i've seen in the Pro TWG, if one person has just a slight suspicion about someone else, most of the time it's brought up in the forums. I guess you could say that was a sloppy strategy on my part. yet there was nothing remotely wolfy about that either.

3. This is probably the most inane reason you came up with. Yous aid that you bandwagoned Mini to save him. Good for you. But I jumped on dawg to save rsr2/ No. in this game so far, I have yet displayed "wolf-sympathy" for rsr2. It was this post that made me forgive rsr2 for being a noob in the wrong place at the wrong time.



BUT That's not the only post:



So, in my line of thinking, "Ok know that rsr2 is a noob but at least he is trying to make sense of this. However, dawg has screwed himself over royally but not giving real evidence and saying whatever comes to mind. An inactive noob is worse than a noob who tries. heh, I would SO LOVE to see you pull anything wolfy from that thought.

Yet, you continued by posting a large page stretching convo of your so called "interrogation" of the noob in question. I'm suprised that rsr2 didn't find your questioning blantant and minutely disgusting at how forcefully you were asking. And you said it yourself!

i was trying to make you admit to your partner
because that's what a wolf would do

tell me Fish or ANY OF THOSE WHO VOTED ME, whose my partner? Where's my irefutable wolf proof? What? Don't have any? Aww. That sucks then huh? Fish, obviously from your expertise, you brought up good points about my pseudo-wolf posts, but I hate to break it to you that you're way of course on this one friend. Also your post brings up a rather interesting concept:



Now I might be wrong but isn't posting an AIM conversation the SAME as revealing a conversation? Seems like it to me.

Just bumping in case you missed it.

[Necamus]

Nope, didn't miss it..

And about the AIM convo, from what I remember, you can also fake AIM chats, so you are simply restricted from posting a screen shot of it, because that would prove it. Or something weird like that. But I don't think he broke any rules.

[Torlock]

**RULE CLARIFICATION**

Originally Posted by Chromer

Players are not allowed to reveal their PMs to anyone else, show screenshots of their PMs to anyone, nor use information within their PMs as a method of confirming humanity. Players are not allowed to reveal conversations relating to the game with the game's host to any other player. Players may not post screenshots of conversations they have with other players.

You are allowed to post AIM conversations between you and other players. You can't reveal part of your conversation with the host to any other player. You also can't post screenshots of conversations with other players. You can post logs of conversations with other players.

[FishFishRevolution]

1. You say by me saying the wolves know what they are doing is giving away my wolfiness. Ok, but can I point something out? Observer, Pumble, and others all pointed out that the wolves knew Iggy was a vet. Yet, I say the same and I automatically look wolfish? Bad analysis on your part my friend.

Yes, the point is you stated it AFTER it had already been stated multiple times. I was also using it to compare who you went fore vs who you thought wolfed iggy.

2. You say I post the suspicious train on Rsr2. Ok, I'll admit I wasn't really suspicious of him. I wanted to see how he would react IF I said I was suspicious of him. It seemed to work as everyone started to take notice. Yet, that is a human strategy. Think about it. from what i've seen in the Pro TWG, if one person has just a slight suspicion about someone else, most of the time it's brought up in the forums. I guess you could say that was a sloppy strategy on my part. yet there was nothing remotely wolfy about that either.

You're right, voting to incite a reaction is a very good strategy, I use it more often as a human than I do as a wolf.

3. This is probably the most inane reason you came up with. Yous aid that you bandwagoned Mini to save him. Good for you. But I jumped on dawg to save rsr2/ No. in this game so far, I have yet displayed "wolf-sympathy" for rsr2. It was this post that made me forgive rsr2 for being a noob in the wrong place at the wrong time.

BUT That's not the only post:

So, in my line of thinking, "Ok know that rsr2 is a noob but at least he is trying to make sense of this. However, dawg has screwed himself over royally but not giving real evidence and saying whatever comes to mind. An inactive noob is worse than a noob who tries. heh, I would SO LOVE to see you pull anything wolfy from that thought.

Either way, you're not wolf-hunting, you're picking the greater noob, which is not helpful, and is also characteristically wolf behavior.

Yet, you continued by posting a large page stretching convo of your so called "interrogation" of the noob in question. I'm suprised that rsr2 didn't find your questioning blantant and minutely disgusting at how forcefully you were asking. And you said it yourself!

i was trying to make you admit to your partner
because that's what a wolf would do

Yeah, asking forcefully of his role was the entire point of the conversation, to get him to answer quickly.

tell me Fish or ANY OF THOSE WHO VOTED ME, whose my partner? Where's my irefutable wolf proof? What? Don't have any? Aww. That sucks then huh? Fish, obviously from your expertise, you brought up good points about my pseudo-wolf posts, but I hate to break it to you that you're way of course on this one friend.

Now hold on a minute, this just plain doesn't make sense. I was interrogating rsr because I knew he was new, and if he was a new wolf, he would try to act like he knew that humans got partners when they didn't. That was the basis of the lie there. It has nothing to do with anyone really having partners.

Now I might be wrong but isn't posting an AIM conversation the SAME as revealing a conversation? Seems like it to me.

Uh, people post AIM conversations all the time. It's posting AIM logs with the host that's a problem

[FishFishRevolution]

Hey seer, seer me tonight please. ; ) <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

EDIT: also guard, so says the jtwg chat.

[Necamus]

Can we get a list of votes?

I'm lazy...

[Torlock]

Day 1 Voting Guide
rsr2-4(Neonatrias,Pumble,mattc16,gonzo4life44)
Chromer-4(FishFishRevolution,Chickendude,Necamus,dawg4321)
Pumble-2(whiteflame,rsr2)
Dawg4321-2(xObserveRx,Chromer)
gonzo4life44-1(PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR)
Tasuke-1(Lightknight924)
Lightknight924-1(Tasuke)

[Chromer]

Psssh. If this ends up being a knife in the box situation, it's gonna suck.