Goodbye Framers! - Page 6

**jimerax** · 01-28-2008, 07:39 PM

Removing av-miss obviously raises the quality of the game, but I'd say keep old av-miss version of 2nd sytle with the new one since it has historical worthiness.

**TS_SonicMaster** · 01-28-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GamerShadow

There should be no hesitation with this. Seriously, everybody who said no is simply too lazy to re-do their scores again. For shame people, just kill the glitch and play the damn songs w/o framers and enjoy.

That's what everyone should do, just enjoy the game. With the new FMO/FGO files in progress, they won't be easy to AAA obviously. Those with jacks will be tough, since jacks will still be hard to PA, and fast jumpstream/double jumpstream is tough.

**Ryusei_** · 01-28-2008, 08:08 PM

I see no reason to EVER delay in fixing a bug in ANY game. Delaying this fix for 3rd style (which for all we know if month, even years away) is just stupid IMO....This needed to be fixed 5 years ago.

**awein999** · 01-28-2008, 08:10 PM

maybe they can have high-scores with framers in addition to high-scores with no framers for the songs already released so the people that did the best with framers will still get credit.

Av-miss glitch gone, wow I haven't played for nearly a month and I will probably have to re-start up once this is taken into effect. Apparently everyone else is thinking along the same lines as me cause there are more than 5,000 people online on a Monday Night.

Roi Siveran · 01-28-2008, 08:23 PM

AV misses = historical worthiness? XD
But yeah, they should keep them somewhere so people CAN still try to AAA and FC old framer songs. Maybe copy over Crowdpleaser, and throw a party for the first person to FC it with framers.

I'm okay with the change. It means making everything in FFR a lot easier, but means that harder songs can be made without public outcries of WTF. Just because people had to work forever to FC the old songs, doesn't mean that there won't be extremely hard songs later on that are just as hard to FC (and not as annoying).

**foilman8805** · 01-28-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Roi Siveran

Maybe copy over Crowdpleaser, and throw a party for the first person to FC it with framers.

Don't worry, it will never be FC'd as long as there are avmisses around.

Also, I see Synthlight is in favor of removing avmisses - Synth, what do you think about the historical significance of avmisses, and how should we deal with them, well, how are you going to deal with it? Are you going to implement the fix now, or wait until 3rd style? I know you talk closely with the subscribers, but we're part of this community too, so I want to know your thoughts about this situation.

-Yukari- · 01-28-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

Let's keep a dumb glitch because it somehow has some meaning.

You make me sad jimerax :(

But seriously, I think Synth will say what he thinks about it on the main page, when the time comes. At least I hope :)

Roi Siveran · 01-28-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by foilman8805

Don't worry, it will never be FC'd as long as there are avmisses around.

Does it have 0-framers, or are you just saying it's inhuman to manage an accelerating trill with 1-framers?

**foilman8805** · 01-28-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Roi Siveran

Does it have 0-framers, or are you just saying it's inhuman to manage an accelerating trill with 1-framers?

As far as I know, it has 1-framers. There are no 0-framers in that song, and I've actually seen the step breakdown of the trill - there's actually a jump in there.

But to address your question, it's inhuman to manage the accelerating trill coupled with a 1-frame jack because you end up skipping the entire first note's timing window.

EDIT: I imagine with the Beta release there will be a few people able to do it. Even without avmisses, comboing that trill would be impressive.

1 frame = 1/30th of a second. Hitting two keys (the one before the actual 1-frame jack and then the jack itself) in 1/15th of a second is ridiculous.

RoastedNoob · 01-28-2008, 09:52 PM

If Synth is willing to keep bluenote songs, it seems stupid not to be willing to keep avmiss. One is just as much as a bug as the other imo.

thunderstrike687 · 01-28-2008, 09:54 PM

stop crying about it being removed. keeping any glitch because you are upset your scores are going to be annihilated is absolutely retarded. this is the reason why i came back to play again. i couldnt play with avmisses because i get a horrid amount on my PC. this is 100% a good thing.

You wouldn't not fix something if it was broken. If your car had a flat tire, you wouldnt leave it flat.

Any arguement against avmisses is for purely selfish reasons. get over yourselves.

**foilman8805** · 01-28-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderstrike687

You wouldn't not fix something if it was broken.

Double negative threw me off...

But I understand where you're coming from...though it has become a score limiting feature in this game, it is in its true essence, a glitch. I agree it needs to be removed.

But there's still the whole concept of the affect on scores, and no code sifting on Xelius' part will solve what to do with them.

-Yukari- · 01-28-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RoastedNoob

If Synth is willing to keep bluenote songs, it seems stupid not to be willing to keep avmiss. One is just as much as a bug as the other imo.

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Originally Posted by -Yukari-

I think the difference between fixing avmisses and "fixing" everything else (like blue noteskins, files out of sync, annoying videos, etc) is that the "everything else" category is full of things that technically function correctly. Sure, they may be cheesy, but they're not malicious to the game's functionality.

The avmiss glitch is. FFR never intended jacks (or even streams and chains, in faster BPMs) to do this. It's a part of the game the doesn't work and wasn't intended to be that way. Offbeat files may be offbeat, but Synth "intended" for them to be that way - that is, when he created them, that's what he could come up with at the time, and they still work correctly. You can still AAA them. You can still play the levels with videos. But not really levels with avmisses =/

Bad sync is not a bug.

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Originally Posted by thunderstrike687

stop crying about it being removed. keeping any glitch because you are upset your scores are going to be annihilated is absolutely retarded. this is the reason why i came back to play again. i couldnt play with avmisses because i get a horrid amount on my PC. this is 100% a good thing.

You wouldn't not fix something if it was broken. If your car had a flat tire, you wouldnt leave it flat.

Any arguement against avmisses is for purely selfish reasons. get over yourselves.

<3 <3 <3

Also, foil, I'm pretty sure Thundestrike typed that correctly. You wouldn't NOT fix it if it was broken. Meaning, you wouldn't neglect to fix it :)

RoastedNoob · 01-28-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderstrike687

stop crying about it being removed. keeping any glitch because you are upset your scores are going to be annihilated is absolutely retarded. this is the reason why i came back to play again. i couldnt play with avmisses because i get a horrid amount on my PC. this is 100% a good thing.

You wouldn't not fix something if it was broken. If your car had a flat tire, you wouldnt leave it flat.

Any arguement against avmisses is for purely selfish reasons. get over yourselves.

What're you talking about? This has nothing to do with scores. Avmisses have become a part of FFR. It's what makes this unique from SM. Sadly, it also stops FFR from doing a lot of other things. In the end it's obviously better to see it go, but it's a huge goodbye to have. Had you taken the time to learn avmisses and get through them, you might feel the same way. Instead of crying about how many you get.

-Yukari- · 01-28-2008, 10:10 PM

I've learned to hit them and I don't feel the same way....

thunderstrike687 · 01-28-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -Yukari-

Also, foil, I'm pretty sure Thundestrike typed that correctly. You wouldn't NOT fix it if it was broken. Meaning, you wouldn't neglect to fix it

Yeah, what I typed was correct. I dont know if that was a misread, or if that was some play at some witty sarcasm.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 01-28-2008, 10:11 PM

Have you noticed mainly the amazing players are complaining?
I wonder why...

**foilman8805** · 01-28-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderstrike687

Yeah, what I typed was correct. I dont know if that was a misread, or if that was some play at some witty sarcasm.

Yeah, sorry, it was a misinterpretation on my part. Fixed my earlier post.

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Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Have you noticed mainly the amazing players are complaining?
I wonder why...

There are quite a few good players in the poll that have voted they like the idea of avmisses being removed. You're not exactly making a point there.

**dore** · 01-28-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderstrike687

Any arguement against avmisses is for purely selfish reasons. get over yourselves.

It's not about my scores, as I would be happy to replay any song to take advantage of an easier scoring system. It's because the history of 2nd Style is going to be preserved when 3rd Style is released, so why demolish the history of 2nd Style by making it incredibly easy to obtain previously unattainable score, when the problem is going to be fixed eventually anyways, and the history is going to be separately preserved?

**EAGAMES** · 01-28-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Have you noticed mainly the amazing players are complaining?
I wonder why...

I'm not amazing.

Like the only godly is Sprite.

*edit*
Forgot about dore, sowy.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about the fix for the avmiss glitch?
I think it is a good idea	157	80.51%
I think we should keep avmisses	38	19.49%
Voters: 195. You may not vote on this poll

01-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#101
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Goodbye Framers! Removing av-miss obviously raises the quality of the game, but I'd say keep old av-miss version of 2nd sytle with the new one since it has historical worthiness.

01-28-2008, 08:08 PM	#103
Ryusei_ God Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Not here Posts: 1,084	Re: Goodbye Framers! I see no reason to EVER delay in fixing a bug in ANY game. Delaying this fix for 3rd style (which for all we know if month, even years away) is just stupid IMO....This needed to be fixed 5 years ago. __________________

01-28-2008, 08:10 PM	#104
awein999 (ಠ⌣ಠ) Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,642	Re: Goodbye Framers! maybe they can have high-scores with framers in addition to high-scores with no framers for the songs already released so the people that did the best with framers will still get credit. Av-miss glitch gone, wow I haven't played for nearly a month and I will probably have to re-start up once this is taken into effect. Apparently everyone else is thinking along the same lines as me cause there are more than 5,000 people online on a Monday Night. Last edited by awein999; 01-28-2008 at 08:14 PM..

01-28-2008, 08:23 PM	#105
Roi Siveran FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Thirty Miles and South, New Mexico Age: 32 Posts: 118	Re: Goodbye Framers! AV misses = historical worthiness? XD But yeah, they should keep them somewhere so people CAN still try to AAA and FC old framer songs. Maybe copy over Crowdpleaser, and throw a party for the first person to FC it with framers. I'm okay with the change. It means making everything in FFR a lot easier, but means that harder songs can be made without public outcries of WTF. Just because people had to work forever to FC the old songs, doesn't mean that there won't be extremely hard songs later on that are just as hard to FC (and not as annoying). __________________ I fail to AAA.

01-28-2008, 09:52 PM	#110
RoastedNoob FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 620	Re: Goodbye Framers! If Synth is willing to keep bluenote songs, it seems stupid not to be willing to keep avmiss. One is just as much as a bug as the other imo. __________________ - FFR's First and Only CCC -

01-28-2008, 10:11 PM	#117
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: Goodbye Framers! Have you noticed mainly the amazing players are complaining? I wonder why...

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