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You're right though, that is a terrible example. It's funny how you complained about argument by analogy and then you use argument by analogy.
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Can we lock this thread before I change my mind?
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Is this just fantasy?
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Rubix, stay strong. I know you can do it.
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lol that this is even like........... a debate
what is there to even teach creationism......... chapter 1: god did it chapter 2: .......
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FSM did it.
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06-22-2014, 12:18 AM | #92 |
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Reuben, i think you didn't make yourself clear in your posts. I'll try to reply without going into religious details. If your argument is that thinking a creator lies behind all things is a natural argument because it comes from observation, i'd argue that is only true if you consider a superficial, primitive observation. The same kind of observation which makes us feel the earth is flat and the sun revolves around us. That's why the concept of deity was bound to happen in the human history, and that's also why, as a general rule, as time progresses it's being left behind. There is nothing much else to add. All the evidence we have, the things we discovered about the inner workings of universe, energy and matter do not count as observation?
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Exactly, even though they are superficial and primitive observations, they are observations nonetheless. Thus, the general idea of a creator is not something that was arbitrarily made up. Thus, you can't compare it to the FSM because the FSM is something that is arbitrarily made up. Now, this is no way, proves creationism, but it does serve as a rebuttal to the FSM argument.
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I don't see where exactly it refutes the FSM argument. Every culture created their own deities based on their observations, on their background, on the difficulties they had to face, on the unanswered questions they had, et cetera. FSM was only created to make it more obvious that every imaginary being you can think of shares the same possibility of existing.
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HOW DOES IT REFUTE THE FSM?! Ok ok.. replace the flying spaghetti monster with another name like Allah. How does it refute Allah? or Zeus, how does it refute Zeus? You are not explaining WHY it refutes the flying spaghetti monster. You're only saying "fsm is arbitrary because I say it is arbitrary but creationism isn't arbitrary because I say it isn't arbitrary therefore fsm is refuted". You are making NO argument at all.
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I'm not even pissed off or anything but it just baffles me he's making the same leap of logic again and somehow thinks that refutes anything even though he has been told already that his argument doesn't hold. He's just repeating the same shit again.
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Alright, I can't help it anymore.
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Seeing complexity in nature is an observation. You use experimentation to test hypotheses to see if you can make theoretical frameworks that can retroactively explain as well as predict such observations. To date, we have tested these theories and found that we do not need intelligent design to explain complexity. It is strange to posit a creative God as somehow being in control of something that did not need him to begin with. I present to you, the creative God: Furthermore, from http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm Quote:
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If you wish to boil it down to probability, though? I'll even concede the point to you: Sure, it could be a touch above totally arbitrary. But something that is insanely close to 0 probability is still not really worth considering. Usually people mis-estimate probability when they have an incomplete understanding of the "numerator in question," here. You naturally understand, intuitively, the numerator for the dragon case. Even fewer people understand it for the complexity of the universe. Tying this back to the FSM, here, the point here is the problem of unfalsifiability. If you have no good evidence that something exists, then it's just as good as any other such explanation that fills the gap. If you with to refute one such possibility, you have to refute them all -- otherwise you are making the claim that you have a compelling reason for saying otherwise (which you do not have, here). If you wish to say that something exists, the onus (the burden of truth) is on the one making the claim -- otherwise we run into logically-inconsistent territory when it comes to establishing the truth value of a claim. Also I don't understand your prime number analogy because P(odd prime) = 1 as primes go to infinity (purely selecting primes). Last edited by Reincarnate; 06-22-2014 at 11:47 AM.. |
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