TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

[Ruritsu]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Incidentally, I'd also like to vote for AC1speakerbox. Reasons: his rampant cluelessness (see my first post in this triple stack) rubbed me the wrong way, and his invitation to Fiction to open up about discussion on the clearly meaningless wolf kill felt off. It felt almost like the wolves purposely made a "nonsense" kill hoping it would get us talking about THAT rather than the wolves, then when Fiction brought up how strange of a kill it seemed, rather than letting it die, AC1speakerbox immediately responded with "Penny for your thoughts, thee who ist surprised by the newly deceased BDN?" And it might just be me but this jokey writing style also seems a bit out of character for him.

Actually, I spoke with people yesterday about that exact idea. That being that the kill was simply to incite bothersome discusion about it which in hand would cover their hides. Following that logic, I asked everyone I could what they had to say about the kill. Fic's post bothered me, but people who drew attention to Fic's post bothered me more. I'm not gonna jump gun, but those are people I'm looking at.

Also, I'll be on AIM momentarily, so IM me if I don't IM you.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

I don't know what non-standard rules you play by, but usually, a human seer gets results in human or wolf, green or red (these colors are also non-standard, cooked up here to simplify role notation and it entered the common vernacular). Special human roles NORMALLY return stating merely that the player is human, making it ambiguous whether the player is a normal townsperson, a guardian or psychic or something, or the master wolf.

Typically, if the host is having the seer get color results, the psychic will return blue. MW/humans green wolves red.

If the host is having the seer get human/nonhuman results, then MW, Psychic, Humans will all come back with human results, and wolves will come back with non human results.

Not a topic I want to go on and on about, but that's generally the way it goes. Hope that makes everything clear there.


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I don't like how afro's so adamantly against my plan. You don't have to have the psychic come out to the human, but it shrinks the player pool that the seer has to look at. it also gives the psychic and seer a way to pincer the MW if by some unlucky chance the MW is seered. (seer gets killed Psychic goes wait wtf and lynches the MW the following day.) If the seer does just come out to a seered green alone, we loose the seer without catching the MW in the process

The seer has to come out to someone at some point. he has a better chance coming out to a seered green (9% chance of wolf) then getting a nonseered person to come out for him (25% chance of wolf)

If anyone's on message me. I have additional thoughts I'd like to go over, but don't want to post in the thread yet.

[Viccica]

I like how in both games anyone who disagrees with afro gets labled a wolf.

You're very quick to jump to conclusions and it's pretty stupid I think. :3


Reserving my vote until later on.

[Bolth mannn]

i need a replacement...i think im over the whole of ffr as a whole. <--- that was wierd.

goodbye vote on afro

[FictionJunction]

I would have expressed my concerns in an entire post but I didn't want to seem to forward about it or express too much concern because it ultimately doesn't make a difference.

I expected someone to ask me what the hell I was talking about.

[FictionJunction]

also, protip: playing with arfo means you need to put up with his over-aggression. It's not personal. That's just arfo.

[AC1speakerbox]

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn

that was wierd.

very

[AC1speakerbox]

Also yeah, that's just how he plays.

Just let afro be afro and don't look too much into it because I still think he's a human.

[A2P]

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn

i need a replacement...i think im over the whole of ffr as a whole. <--- that was wierd.

goodbye vote on afro

Goodbye vote?????????????????????

Anyone else find this odd?

[DarkManticoreX2]

The fact that it's bolth_mann makes it less odd. So no not really.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Hey, make sure you vote guys, day ends tomorrow at noon. When most of you will probably be in school.

[Gun92]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

bolth_mann

This also, safety on Syhto. Nothing more then a safety until I get time to come on aim and talk with people.

[Makilaz]

Effective immediately, bolth mannn has been kicked out and replaced by tupacodaman.

Game continues as normal.

[AC1speakerbox]

bolth got maki-owned =D

[Makilaz]

Sully has also requested a replacement via AIM. Therefore...

Also effective immediately, Panda Express is replacing Sully.

[Panda Express]

Allow me to contain my enthusiam as I enter my first game ...

Hi people. Found out about my subbing in late at night, so really didn't get any good chats developed. Thanks to Clarinet for explaining safetys in full.

Just gonna say that Afro, you seemed to have made a whole lot of something out of a whole lot of nothing. I think AC1 was just attempting to be witty, which I'm pretty sure isn't a hangable offense, yet.

Safety on Ruritsu for the time being. Don't mind me Rur, just grabbing your name cuz its at the top.

[clarinet89]

I'm gonna have to go with a safety on a2p. I'd like to look a little closer at AC1 before we lynch him.

[sc979]

safety on tupacodaman

yeah, I have known ac1 to play defensively, so I don't think his reaction necessarily makes him a wolf, but who knows.

[DarkManticoreX2]

I'm going to vote on AC1. And i'm actually surprising myself by doing so.

Originally i was gunning for afro, and I talked to a bunch of people about it, even shared my suspicions with Ac1 to get his thoughts on it and the entire conversation felt weird as ****.

ac1colossus (12:09:51 AM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (12:10:10 AM): did you get my prevoius stuff
ac1colossus (12:10:20 AM): what previous stuff?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:10:38 AM): ugh i hate you i dont want to retype it all
ATTENTION (12:10:54 AM): Direct IM session initiated. What is this?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:11:14 AM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (10:40:03 PM): okay so it's bugging me

DarkManticoreX2 (10:40:32 PM): fiction posted this right?

DarkManticoreX2 (10:40:33 PM): But now that arfo set the precedent for possible non-vet/poor player n1 wolf kills by mentioning the obvious, it bothers me that BDN was killed over them.

DarkManticoreX2 (10:40:53 PM): it made me think

DarkManticoreX2 (10:41:09 PM): why wouldnt me/fiction/afro get targeted

DarkManticoreX2 (10:41:28 PM): afro said something night 1 about leaving high position players alive

DarkManticoreX2 (10:41:44 PM): and it feels weird that none of u were attacke

DarkManticoreX2 (10:42:16 PM): feels like he's trying to hide amoung similar weeds

DarkManticoreX2 (10:42:26 PM): if you know what i mean

DarkManticoreX2 (10:42:45 PM): cause it would look balls weird if fiction and afro died and i was still alive

DarkManticoreX2 (10:42:51 PM): as well as vice versa
ac1colossus (12:11:49 AM): readin
DarkManticoreX2 (12:11:59 AM): k
ac1colossus (12:12:55 AM): ok
ac1colossus (12:12:57 AM): i gotcha
DarkManticoreX2 (12:13:18 AM): which im not sure is enough to look at someone right now
DarkManticoreX2 (12:13:27 AM): but i also am bugged by this
DarkManticoreX2 (12:13:46 AM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (10:44:41 PM): i also find it weird he's so against my seer plan

DarkManticoreX2 (10:44:47 PM): i mean the seer has to come out to someone

DarkManticoreX2 (10:44:51 PM): sometime

DarkManticoreX2 (10:44:56 PM): to get his info into the thread
DarkManticoreX2 (12:14:24 AM): and the chances of coming out to a seered green later actually increase the chance of coming out to the mw
ac1colossus (12:14:56 AM): He just doesn't want to view any opinion other than his original, I think =/
DarkManticoreX2 (12:15:14 AM): what was his original idea
ac1colossus (12:15:41 AM): that this should be viewed as a situation of risk vs reward
ac1colossus (12:15:54 AM): and that thre risk far outwieghed the reward
DarkManticoreX2 (12:16:12 AM): thats totally untrue though
ac1colossus (12:16:15 AM): i know
ac1colossus (12:16:20 AM): that's what he thinks
DarkManticoreX2 (12:16:28 AM): if the seer holds off in going to a human
ac1colossus (12:16:31 AM): I've been flipflopping on this all day though lol
DarkManticoreX2 (12:16:40 AM): the chances of coming out to the mw get bigger
ac1colossus (12:16:43 AM): i think I've ended up on the side of haveing an alliance though
ac1colossus (12:16:49 AM): *having
DarkManticoreX2 (12:17:08 AM): being against having an alliance really makes me suspicious of him
DarkManticoreX2 (12:17:19 AM): because without an alliance nobody knows anything
ac1colossus (12:17:42 AM): maybe, but I don't really get any bad vibes from him so far. If he was a wolf, I'd think he'd be far less quick to accuse me
DarkManticoreX2 (12:18:10 AM): you cant know that
ac1colossus (12:18:16 AM): i suppose not
DarkManticoreX2 (12:18:20 AM): you've never played a game with him
ac1colossus (12:18:45 AM): but he did springboard himself into the wolfing picture without any other cause
ac1colossus (12:18:58 AM): but you know more about him than I do so kay
ac1colossus (12:19:16 AM): *lynching picture
DarkManticoreX2 (12:19:35 AM): how? by putting you up for a lynching?
ac1colossus (12:19:39 AM): yup
ac1colossus (12:19:47 AM): fingerpointing and whatnot
ac1colossus (12:19:57 AM): vic too
ATTENTION (12:20:20 AM): Direct IM session disconnected. What is this?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:20:42 AM): i dont know about vic, but afro's got more then one thing against him
ac1colossus (12:21:18 AM): I'm not sure where he gets off though. Why the hell would Vic come to rescue me if we were wolves together.
ac1colossus (12:21:25 AM): He's smarter than that
DarkManticoreX2 (12:21:44 AM): what?
ac1colossus (12:22:02 AM): some post said me and vic were wolves or something
DarkManticoreX2 (12:22:06 AM): not me
DarkManticoreX2 (12:22:16 AM): lets get this stright first
DarkManticoreX2 (12:22:37 AM): i think that afro is a wolf or at least a good wolf candidate
ac1colossus (12:22:40 AM): http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3258128&postcount=78
ac1colossus (12:22:42 AM): that one
DarkManticoreX2 (12:22:45 AM): not you or vic
ac1colossus (12:22:49 AM): ok
ac1colossus (12:23:11 AM): that was him manipulating vics post btw, lol
DarkManticoreX2 (12:23:57 AM): eh afro can think what he wants to think
DarkManticoreX2 (12:24:19 AM): i dont see enough there to get that
ac1colossus (12:24:50 AM): enough in mine and vic's posts to get afro's conclusion? (just clarifying)
DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:09 AM): i see vic's post as a joke
DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:23 AM): and i don't really see your posts a wolfy
DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:27 AM): more like
DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:43 AM): "omg i havent played twg in a month and im totally pumped"
DarkManticoreX2 (12:26:21 AM): I feel like afro's jumping on posts that aren't really posts
ac1colossus is offline (12:26:36 AM)
hates random disconnecting =(

Your IM will be delivered when the buddy goes online.
DarkManticoreX2 (12:26:42 AM): in addition to what i said above
DarkManticoreX2 (12:27:04 AM): did i mention i hate you
ac1colossus is available (12:32:11 AM)
hates random disconnecting =(
ac1colossus (12:32:16 AM): lol
ac1colossus (12:32:30 AM): i didn't get the above
DarkManticoreX2 (12:32:48 AM): what was the last line you got before "in addition to what i said above"
ac1colossus (12:33:03 AM): i see vic's post
DarkManticoreX2 (12:33:12 AM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:23 AM): and i don't really see your posts a wolfy

DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:27 AM): more like

DarkManticoreX2 (12:25:43 AM): "omg i havent played twg in a month and im totally pumped"

DarkManticoreX2 (12:26:21 AM): I feel like afro's jumping on posts that aren't really posts
ac1colossus (12:33:28 AM): lol!
ac1colossus (12:33:35 AM): pretty much'
DarkManticoreX2 (12:34:07 AM): so tell me
DarkManticoreX2 (12:34:14 AM): if you dont like my afro vote
ac1colossus (12:34:21 AM): I can go with it
DarkManticoreX2 (12:34:25 AM): and i assume you dont want me to put it on you
DarkManticoreX2 (12:34:34 AM): what better option do you present
ac1colossus (12:34:47 AM): I just don't want it to seem like a revenge vote, but I can go with that
DarkManticoreX2 (12:34:57 AM): no i want to know
DarkManticoreX2 (12:35:04 AM): you think afro i human
DarkManticoreX2 (12:35:10 AM): fine i can go with that for a while
DarkManticoreX2 (12:35:18 AM): whos a better choice
DarkManticoreX2 (12:35:51 AM): and why
ac1colossus (12:36:17 AM): I'm really starting yo have second thoughts about him though. For the most part, I just saw that as him being himself. I guess if we had to have a second choice, I'd still say gun for the reasons in...
ac1colossus (12:36:50 AM): http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3258106&postcount=71
ac1colossus (12:37:33 AM): Do you remember that one game where I called gun rule on his ass and he flipped out?
ac1colossus (12:37:36 AM): and he was a wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (12:37:48 AM): okay, did you do that this game?
ac1colossus (12:38:08 AM): kinda, but not really. It just seemed like he got mad at a clear joke
DarkManticoreX2 (12:38:13 AM): log?
ac1colossus (12:38:21 AM): thread
ac1colossus (12:38:27 AM): it wasn't a good joke either
ac1colossus (12:38:30 AM): =/
ac1colossus (12:38:33 AM): it was dumbn
DarkManticoreX2 (12:38:49 AM): you mean his post on the bottom of p2 or 3
ac1colossus (12:39:11 AM): yeah. he wasn't really gitting mad, but i kind of interpreted it that way
ac1colossus (12:39:14 AM): http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3256984&postcount=38
ac1colossus (12:39:29 AM): plus, he's active which is very uncharacteristic of him
DarkManticoreX2 (12:39:45 AM): active is not a charachteristic of his wolf game
DarkManticoreX2 (12:39:46 AM): =/
ac1colossus (12:40:20 AM): I guess you're right but he could be trying to switch it up?
Like I said, I've got nothing better than Afro
DarkManticoreX2 (12:40:36 AM): you make me feel uneasy
ac1colossus (12:40:39 AM): ?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:40:45 AM): you dont want to vote afro
DarkManticoreX2 (12:40:52 AM): but you'll do it anyway
ac1colossus (12:41:00 AM): no I think he's the best choice at this point
DarkManticoreX2 (12:41:07 AM): why
ac1colossus (12:41:14 AM): cause there isn't anyone better
DarkManticoreX2 (12:41:14 AM): because you want to get out of a lynch
ac1colossus (12:41:20 AM): lol
ac1colossus (12:41:23 AM): that
DarkManticoreX2 (12:41:25 AM): or because you actually think hes a good choice
ac1colossus (12:42:33 AM): because i think he's being needlessly .. what's the word I'm looking for?... he doesn't want the alliance for no good reason
DarkManticoreX2 (12:43:23 AM): overprotective is probably the word
ac1colossus (12:43:27 AM): i guess
DarkManticoreX2 (12:44:02 AM): originally i was going to go with afro, now i'm not so sure
ac1colossus (12:44:22 AM): I don't see anyone better
ac1colossus (12:44:49 AM): I honestly don't know what I was thinking with the whole gun thing
DarkManticoreX2 (12:45:03 AM): you neglect to consider yourself
DarkManticoreX2 (12:45:16 AM): you made yourself look really really bed in that convo
ac1colossus (12:45:19 AM): i know
ac1colossus (12:46:00 AM): not one of my better choices
ac1colossus (12:46:21 AM): I keep saying that I need to work on my being overly defensive, but I never get any better =(
DarkManticoreX2 (12:46:42 AM): the fact that you're willing to stick up for afro in the thread, and then willing to vote for him to save your hide irks me
DarkManticoreX2 (12:46:53 AM): and it irks me a lot
ac1colossus (12:47:24 AM): oh come on that's not what it's like.
my hide was "saved" long before I started considering afro
DarkManticoreX2 (12:48:48 AM): considering you have two votes on you
DarkManticoreX2 (12:49:01 AM): and nobody else has more then one no i dont think so
ac1colossus (12:49:06 AM): i guess you're right.
i didn't think about that

Long story short:

Manti: heres several good reasons to vote for afro
Ac1: I think afro is human
Manti: You know you'll probably die if you don't vote for afro
Ac1: Ok lets vote for Afro!
Manti: Yeah that's not suspicious AT ALL

Double spaced stuff was copied over from a previous convo i had with someone, and is my base reasoning for being suspicious of afro. However, unless Afro and Ac1 are trying to manipulate relationships really early, I don't think they can both be wolves.

[A2P]

ac1

Awesome Lamer (12:24:55 AM):	and one point
Awesome Lamer (12:25:01 AM):	is that whenever you suspect someone is lying
Awesome Lamer (12:25:14 AM):	quickly change the subject
Awesome Lamer (12:25:19 AM):	or drift attention away from them
Awesome Lamer (12:25:24 AM):	if they follow with you
Awesome Lamer (12:25:26 AM):	they're lying