02-23-2020, 04:08 AM | #961 | |
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Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
Ok I see the storn vote that's good stuff.
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If he wants to convince me that he's working pro-town without the claim he's free to try but he's forfeited his right to do so under a no-to-mild pressure environment as far as I'm concerned. I think he saw pressure and knew he could fake claim for a free phrase, because otherwise he should be dropping hints on what he's actually accomplished right now And I know he said something absurd about maybe Bolth was random killed and wolves where blocked but it read as not serious and the way he's walking shit back that don't count unless he states it plainly. I don't need a full claim, I need someting. |
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02-23-2020, 04:08 AM | #962 |
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Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
Speaking of reads: DBP I want your takes.on people, mentioned earlier but I don't want it to be missed and lost
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02-23-2020, 04:13 AM | #963 | |
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02-23-2020, 04:13 AM | #964 | |
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This means that the wolves deliberately avoided shooting Haku, which is suspicious but not damning--- he still needs to be solved and the biggest cloud hanging over his head is the "claim" situation I asked MML what he thinks the best way to resolve Haku is, because in this situation I can only really imagine forcing Haku to claim, or lynching him, or both, is the way to resolve him at this moment I think the best course of action is to just have Haku claim so that we don't spend forever wasting time debating about "how likely is he to fake a PR soft" where we go from there depends on what happens but I'm guessing that at least having the claim gives us the mental bandwidth to investigate other players |
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02-23-2020, 04:14 AM | #965 |
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Haku makes me fucking paranoid and I can't figure him out at all. I think I want to leave him.alone for now
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02-23-2020, 04:14 AM | #966 |
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Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
Don't waste time on me; I haven't hidden stuff in the thread.
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02-23-2020, 04:15 AM | #967 | |
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Like I said on pregame I have shit to do and I was never planning to post this much anyway. I'm going to bed and then tomorrow I'm getting other things done. I think I've got enough content and questions out that no one has the right to bitch if I just plan on not being here for like 20-24 hours in any sense of the word. When I come back I promise to have mediated all the angst out of my system and just read what people accomplished in that time first and foremost without getting hung up that they haven't atoned for past sins or whatever. But I don't want to see you in here for 20 hours afraid to make pushes. If you don't want to risk a tunnel then give me reads and give me wagon theories and give me some juicy tinfoil instead. |
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02-23-2020, 04:17 AM | #968 | |
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Theres also.another possibility here: wolves killed bolthe and IF we have a vigi they chose not to fire... it's just something I ran over my head quick and I want to know if anyone agrees on this |
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02-23-2020, 04:18 AM | #969 |
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Frankly i think Storn and Raeko can wait and you guys should vote Haku with me. If Haku does full claim you can switch off and I'll follow suit when I get back.
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02-23-2020, 04:21 AM | #970 | |
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We have to have Haku's mystery role, a vigi, and a jailer/doctor/whatever and I feel like that's maybe too many roles for what's meant to be a simple VT heavy mystery game. |
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02-23-2020, 04:21 AM | #971 |
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I'll have to think about this more when I'm more awake but if we're going to have Haku confirm that he softed a PR yesterday, isn't it better to just get a full claim at that point? He's dead or roleblocked anyway--- we might as well get him to say his full role so that someone can counterclaim if he's lying, and don't forget that flips are partial this game, so if he is truly blue his flip won't even tell us what role he is--- giving wolves more room to hide behind in case they need to fake a PR claim themselves.
the downside is that depending on what PR Haku claims the wolf night actions might be different--- the difference between roleblocking or nightkilling I guess. Which gives them more room to PR hunt if they just stunlock Haku atm I think if we are gonna force him to claim then it should just be a full claim so we don't get fucked down the line when we realize we don't actually know what Haku was, or what he did, and that information might have been enough to push us closer to solving the game. Given that forcing him to claim that he's some kind of PR isn't safer than him just outright stating his role |
02-23-2020, 04:22 AM | #972 |
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Counterclaiming in a closed setup.
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02-23-2020, 04:23 AM | #973 | |
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It's just 5AM right now and I don't have the alertness to sit down and give exhaustive reads stay tuned |
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02-23-2020, 04:26 AM | #974 |
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Counterclaims in a closed setup aren't bad, at the end of the day you get one guaranteed wolf in two day phases
Fakeclaiming/fakesofting in a closed setup is a serious danger because we have no way of independently validating your role if you just hide behind the moniker of "blue" |
02-23-2020, 04:26 AM | #975 | |
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02-23-2020, 04:28 AM | #976 |
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I'm passing out guys... I'll catch up when I wake up.
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02-23-2020, 04:28 AM | #977 |
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I think pragmatically it's better to confirm Haku as cop/doctor/whatever and have him get NK'd instead of letting him flip blue and leaving the wolves able to fakeclaim cop/doctor/whatever
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02-23-2020, 04:28 AM | #978 |
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Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
Are you saying that this setup cannot have 2 of the same role ?
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02-23-2020, 04:30 AM | #979 |
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It's a Simple SunFan Game, so no I don't believe that
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02-23-2020, 04:31 AM | #980 |
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Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread
How about 2 masons ?
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