TWG CXXII - Welcome to Disboard~

[Viccica]

You can't prove or disprove anything twg. It's all a crapshoot.

[Viccica]

Except my case against you it's totes foolproof.

[James May]

For some reason...I'm really uncomfortable with a Manti lynch...should we really lynch him just because he led the plopadop wagon? I mean looking back the reason why plop was lynched primarily because he was trying to employ a town game since he had only rolled wolf (from my knowledge, haven't played tgb twg so I really don't know if he had rolled town there). The people I am looking at for lynch are Fiction and Viccica (though now I'm leaning towards Fic for some reason...). Vic is mainly due to meta and tunneling on Day 0 and Fic I guess because of inactivity? I haven't played enough with Fic to fully formulate a read but I feel that a flip on either of the two would provide some sort of information (Primarily on the V kill since I'm still puzzled by it).

People I don't want to lynch today are: Charu, sunfan, dance (primarily for info and to fully read him after today), Manti and RB

Anyhow, I think if we fully look through the interactions from Day 0 then we can MOST likely find a wolf within the kitb that was between plop and I. I do have a feeling that at least one wolf was in either of the wagons.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by James May

People I don't want to lynch today are: Charu, sunfan, dance (primarily for info and to fully read him after today), Manti and RB

I'd like to know why I'm in this pool.
If I'm in there, it'd make just as much, and in some cases even more sense for DBP to be in there as well.
He cleared me as green with his seer, if you don't buy it I'm just curious as to why he isn't in your pool since you obviously wouldn't be buying his claim.

Care to explain?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

if you don't buy it I'm just curious as to why he isn't in your pool since you obviously wouldn't be buying his claim

Lol I meant to put believing his claim.

[DarkManticoreX2]

A wolf can just straight up lie about a seering. Getting/giving a green read is the equivalent to saying I found water in a lake.

I still think it's weird the wolves decided to go for V over the self proclaimed seer.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

A wolf can just straight up lie about a seering. Getting/giving a green read is the equivalent to saying I found water in a lake.

I still think it's weird the wolves decided to go for V over the self proclaimed seer.

That's my point.
If James doesn't believe DBP's claim on me, why isn't DBP in that list of people James want's to lynch?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by James May

People I don't want to lynch today are: Charu, sunfan, dance (primarily for info and to fully read him after today), Manti and RB

My bad James, I completely misread you.
Disregard my last few comments.

[DarkManticoreX2]

it says "don't want to lynch."

[DarkManticoreX2]

yep there you go.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

I'd like to know why I'm in this pool.
If I'm in there, it'd make just as much, and in some cases even more sense for DBP to be in there as well.
He cleared me as green with his seer, if you don't buy it I'm just curious as to why he isn't in your pool since you obviously wouldn't be buying his claim.

Care to explain?

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

A wolf can just straight up lie about a seering. Getting/giving a green read is the equivalent to saying I found water in a lake.

I still think it's weird the wolves decided to go for V over the self proclaimed seer.

^

Anyhow, despite that I don't buy his claim, I do believe that you are green. I think that we shouod veer the focus from the DBP claim and hover over to the Day 0 kitb and the night kill. If we can figure out exactly who 1) would have killed V and 2) go into detail on the kitb and analyze everyone's votes. Now, I think that the wolf kill wouod have to come from a player that lacked experience. Not you, but someone that would not be able to discern themselves the difference between a vanilla player and a power role.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

My bad James, I completely misread you.
Disregard my last few comments.

welp. Its cool though haha.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Viccica

Except my case against you it's totes foolproof.

Exactly how is it foolproof?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by James May

I think that we shouod veer the focus from the DBP claim and hover over to the Day 0 kitb and the night kill. If we can figure out exactly who 1) would have killed V and 2) go into detail on the kitb and analyze everyone's votes. Now, I think that the wolf kill wouod have to come from a player that lacked experience. Not you, but someone that would not be able to discern themselves the difference between a vanilla player and a power role.

I was going to ask if there was anyone in this game besides myself that hasn't ever wolfed previously?

[James May]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

I was going to ask if there was anyone in this game besides myself that hasn't ever wolfed previously?

I wouldn't know. Most of us on here has wolf'd previously. But I wouldn't go as far as that to be honest. But maybe what the wolves did was cause us to veer off in the focus from the claim and onto who killed V? Maybe the wolves did intend for us to lynch Fic this phase but right now the kill is just confusing for me...

@ Yoshl: Can the mafia traitor kill as well or is the role treated as a vanilla role and can't do anything at night?

Anyhow, onto the topic of the kill: There are two that I would believe that they would make a kill on V. Those would be Fiction and Viccica. I am completely unsure if Charu would kill V.

We should primarily keep our focus on the wagon and worry about DBP on Day 2.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by James May

Anyhow, onto the topic of the kill: There are two that I would believe that they would make a kill on V. Those would be Fiction and Viccica. I am completely unsure if Charu would kill V.

What are you basing this off of? You haven't played with Vic IIRC except for one game where she was inactive.

The V kill doesn't look like a Fic kill at all. Fiction would have killed DBP. Killing a blue > killing a loud green.

V either died because the wolves were aware that he's a good veteran player and he can push through a lynch, or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

I don't know which side of that fence I'm on yet. I'd like DBP to start speaking up.

[James May]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

What are you basing this off of? You haven't played with Vic IIRC except for one game where she was inactive.

The V kill doesn't look like a Fic kill at all. Fiction would have killed DBP. Killing a blue > killing a loud green.

V either died because the wolves were aware that he's a good veteran player and he can push through a lynch, or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

I don't know which side of that fence I'm on yet. I'd like DBP to start speaking up.

Well, through POE. And I played with Vic on that one jtwig that was the revive of twig, a few others including the arson game and that ine C9++ game that she voted for me out of spite.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

This is what I was thinking.
Killing V was extremely logical.The wolfs no longer have to worry about being under his microscope at all times, while we sit here and spin our wheels on DBP's claim. Also add the fact that he could actually be cop and they just left him alive due to there only being a 30% chance he hits on a wolf opposed to the 70% of him hitting human.

I wouldn't be opposed to letting him live one more night, but after that if he's alive it's gotta be 100% lynch next day. In the same breath, I also wouldn't mind him being lynched. Out of all the potential wolf candidates, he picks me (who had been listed on a few peoples, James, V, Jrodd and Fic, town list at that point) to investigate? That seems like a wasted opportunity to me.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

well the last part isn't true, but if alive he almost certainly has to die. having a claimed seer (uncc'd) in a game where they aren't even confirmed alive at must lynch is a nightmare, believe me, especially since they claimed day 1

Originally Posted by Viccica

Basically if the seer lives again we're forced to lynch him. There's just no ways wolves would let it happen, cause it grows the human pool the more chances he gets to reveal results. Tomorrow would move it largely towards our favor assuming manti is a wolf(i do) if he gets to reveal another human.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

no, we're not killing him unless he survives. you missed the point of my post.

Originally Posted by James May

Alright. But only if he doesn't die.

unvote

That said, I'll look through to see who else should be looked at...

I just skimmed through the thread and pulled out some quotes from D0 and D1

I'm thinking this mindset is why I'm still alive, especially since they suspected that I would seer James May and thus not have any useful information (assuming he's green, which I am for the moment)

like think of it this way, if the wolves only have control of one kill per day. I feel like they tried to force a lynch on me by keeping me alive in order to gain control of a second kill (the lynch phase) if they were at "no risk" since they thought I'd seer James.

obviously this is just speculation but it's really the only reason I can think of of why competent wolves would do that

[DaBackpack]

and I'm assuming the wolves are competent for obvious reasons