Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[SKG_Scintill]

At least I have chicken

[Silvuh]

I'm sorry, I should have made a "There's still no official word on which files have been queued from the Stepcon" post whenever it was brought up. Responding would have been common courtesy, and I didn't do that. Now I'll remember that no news is still news.

I don't really know who would make the call now on whether or not the Stepcon auto-queue rewards are still valid. ... But, yeah, if that reward interferes with others' batch submissions, those steppers should be notified and given the option to keep their file in the batch or replace it, with a grace period. (Given the points Nathan made, giving the steppers the choice sounds the most fair.)

Aside:

Originally Posted by Xiz

@Dossar / Silvuh, what if there was a google doc that whenever someone submits a file over the two month period, you find it then put it in the google doc for all to see? (And update it accordingly, whenever you are free)

Really, the problem is that the majority of submissions come at the very end of the period, so there wouldn't be much to keep up with.

There was one Sept-October submission email in September, ten emails in the first 26 days of October, then twelve emails on the last two days and fifteen in the first three days of November.

[hi19hi19]

There shouldn't even be a grace period for normal batches if everything is normal.
As far as I know there were no unforeseen issues with this past batch, so why are people sending shit in for Sept-Oct in the first 3 days of November?
If you forget, too fucking bad, you had 2 months to do it.
This thread's been stickied in the exact same place for that whole time, it's not like anyone is hiding the due dates from you or anything.

The fewer stupid grace periods and allowances that are given to people for just being forgetful, the easier the bookkeeping will be.
And clearly, the bookkeeping needs to be easier.
(obviously still give grace periods if something unforeseen happens i.e. this stepcon issue)


p.s. I'll just point out this is somewhat ironic coming from a guy who took 1 month to finish giving prizes for his custom tournament, but that's the point.
Jae (back then it was Jae) shouldn't have put up with my bullshit, and now, Silvuh shouldn't be doing so either with regards to the batch.
Lay down the law, get things moving again.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Silvuh

Really, the problem is that the majority of submissions come at the very end of the period, so there wouldn't be much to keep up with.

Now I'll remember that no news is still news.

2char

[Silvuh]

Originally Posted by choof

2char

*headdesks* Yeah, you got me there. Going to start keeping a batch log in the OP, so I hope it will be helpful.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

The fewer stupid grace periods and allowances that are given to people for just being forgetful, the easier the bookkeeping will be.

Well, I didn't have trouble keeping track of the grace period I just allowed for the September-October batch submissions ... But uh. Yeah, you are right that we don't need to be babied with grace periods when we're forgetful.

I did confer with bmah about allowing that three-day grace period (because he was the one who responded when I asked in Judge Chat). It felt odd to have such a small batch, but ... yeah, that doesn't justify letting more submissions in. I don't know. "It felt right at the time" is all I guess I can say.

This has been a bit of a transitional period in terms of who's doing what here, so ... Hm. Yeah, no excuses. I'll be more strict with deadlines, but I'll also try to give more notices in the thread about the batch in general and through PMs for files getting any privilege.

[Wayward Vagabond]

lol

[Wayward Vagabond]

i'll be hosting the next step con get hype guys its going to be good

[hi19hi19]

really tho knowing u it probably would be

[t-rogdor]

Originally Posted by choof

i would legit not be surprised if rog hasn't selected a file to queue yet rofl

i picked unpause the heat because that was the only 2 of my charts that could be salvaged into something playable. i've got a lot of fixes to do before it's ready to be put in-game, and also, more important things to do than worry about stepmania. it might take another month or so.

[s1rnight]

lift the simfile slot limits imo

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by t-rogdor

i picked unpause the heat

good to know, ty

Good luck with your other shit in your life, hope it works out.

Originally Posted by s1rnight

lift the simfile slot limits imo

If you mean the bimonthly SAP cap...

...do you even know how many files people like me and ilikexd have saved up?
(hint: it's like 20+ each)

[Wayward Vagabond]

[rCaliberGX]

Just woke up an hour ago bleh

Sent conditional queue fixes to ffrsubmissions@gmail.com:
For UltraPlayers

Hope I'm not too late, I thought the wording in Silvuh's post meant "end of November" heh

[TC_Halogen]

submitting my This Will Be The Day (James Landino Remix) chart from Step Con as a normal batch submission, since I (rightfully) missed the chance to have it queue'd as a prize from that contest

if anyone has a problem with it, I really don't care

[hi19hi19]

Nah thats pretty chill.
Also that chart was very good if I remember correctly. Im glad to hear its been submitted.

[Silvuh]

Got some more supplemental judgments in last night. Only files still needing some will most likely not be getting SAP, so I can update the spreadsheet now with these numbers. Note that conditionally queued files that did not have fixes sent in have now become resubmissions.



I don't even know if PrawnSkunk ever saw that his file got conditionally queued ... So because of my own lack of communication, I'll still let his file into the queue if he sends it in again soon and doesn't want it to go through the batch again.

[VisD]

Point of clarification: why does being CQ'ed not award SAP? I would think that if the file is fixed within the given CQ window to a satisfactory standard, then SAP should be awarded. Honestly it's all kinda academic since SAP matters about as much as credits, but it's kinda strange.

For instance, if I submit a file that's worth an 8 average (like pisscord in this case), that does not preclude my file from having some obvious objective errors that I might have overlooked (due to tunneling in on the way I think a file should be stepped when there's an obviously better way or whatever). Certainly these objective errors justify some kind of penalty, but that penalty is already levied on the score a judge gives to my file.

[Silvuh]

Originally Posted by VisD

Point of clarification: why does being CQ'ed not award SAP? I would think that if the file is fixed within the given CQ window to a satisfactory standard, then SAP should be awarded. Honestly it's all kinda academic since SAP matters about as much as credits, but it's kinda strange.

That's because these files were not fixed within the CQ window. The CQ files that were fixed (For UltraPlayers, Sanctuary of pantheon, Highway Highway DESTINY, Hello, and Palace of Destruction) all received SAP.

If PISSCORD does get judged again and only gets in the 6.7-7.5 range the next time, I will consider giving it the two SAP it would have received the first time. It would be the nice thing to do, but I'm not sure if that's actually fair. Maybe I'll take the average of the two final ratings and see where that puts it. Four ratings isn't necessarily a representative sample of the whole team, but we don't really have the power to do much more in a timely manner.

[VisD]

Aite that makes a lot more sense thanks for clarify

[XelNya]

Are there any updates with the files mentioned here:

Originally Posted by XelNya

These files:

[Resubmission] They Kiddnapped The Princess
La Tristesse Durera Toujours
Nightfall (Original Mix)

Where skipped or something along that line somehwhere. I've carefully checked the batch review thread like 3 times on at least 3 occasions to be absolutely sure, so something happened to these somewhere.

I can't find the sent e-mail (as lol it deletes itself.) but I am 100% sure I sent it because I sent in the monstercat song (Nightfall) during the time where the credit event was going on. If someone could figure this out if it was never sent or whatever I'd appreciate it.

Trying to figure it out now because they're sitting in my "in batch" folder which I place them there so I know what's been sent recently. I just wanna know if I need to send them another time.

Originally Posted by Silvuh

Ohh my gosh, wow, I'm sorry, I don't know how I missed it! Yeah, you sent an e-mail to regularffrsubmissions on June 1st with Nightfall and They Kidnapped the Princess. Soon after getting access to the e-mail, I went through and labeled everything for the two latest batches, and I totally missed this one somehow, probably because the e-mail contained files that weren't in the batch, and I didn't stop to think, "Oh wait, maybe they should be!"

I'm going to start keeping a record of all the dates for when the e-mails are open for different things, and that should help in keeping things like this from happening.

However, I'm not seeing an e-mail with La Tristesse Durera Toujours in it; the next e-mail from you I see was sent on September 4th. If maybe you sent it to the wrong address or something, you can forward that sent e-mail to here. If it was originally sent during the right time period, I can let it be judged with this batch. But for now, I will make sure that your other two files get to the judges.


Sorry I still haven't posted ratings. When going through the notes for accepted files, I keep getting stuck on my own files, feeling like I need to make all the fixes then and there. It's been more difficult than usual this time, and I shouldn't have let myself get sidetracked like that. (Also, I've been working on a number of other things and need to get back to doing this, sorry.)

I mean the La Triste sent e-mail I never found so I'm cool sending that in another batch, it's more the other two I'm curious about. Thanks