TWG CLXII - Lucidity (Game)

[storn42]

Originally Posted by inDheart

i'll share in time but i really do wanna see if anything at all happens

i see host hovering

alright.

[inDheart]

oh and i can guarantee my dream succeeded at least in part, because i had twg demon post the start of day as an observable side effect. i encouraged the use of the word "bitch"

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by storn42

i didn't get a pm either so nothing happened to you.

That's again, interesting

because that means someone nulled my dream, or I had a restless night I was not told about last night

[storn42]

Originally Posted by XelNya

That's again, interesting

because that means someone nulled my dream, or I had a restless night I was not told about last night

If your dream involved me it didn't go off because I commuted.

[inDheart]

so if things are going to stabilize at 4/1, we get two lynches (unless xel goes first) and i think xel>roundbox (if he's alive somehow) wins us the game every time

storn is clear from nailing us a nightmare and mml is pretty clear from lurker spew plus their interactions

if xel is not scum, then trying to lynch him is always in scum's favor because it takes out two bodies (and clearly that did not happen) as per his n0 dream

Originally Posted by XelNya

Let me explain my dream in a bit more detail from day 0.

Roundbox gets a fake red check on me, that he is not supposed to know is fake. This is why I suspect Storn has my dream, because it says in my dream it's a fake check from me myself. I can't pass a fake check if I'm actually that role. But this is also tied to this: If I am lynched at any point during the rest of the game, roundbox dies with me. This is why I was implying targeting me ends very poorly.

I am genuinely curious why roundbox was acting like he didn't have that check at all. That's where I was going with that EoD. The issue is I am trash and did it in the worst way possible.

however, this does not necessarily reconcile with his n1 dream, because lynch != night/daykill

Originally Posted by XelNya

Fun fact after my gross misplay my dream was all actions that target me got redirected at random.

both of his dreams have a paper trail: n0 roundbox received a fake peek and n1 i received an extra cookie

there is a world in which xel lives as a townie thanks to his n1 action, and that is the one where the nightkill gets redirected to freezinice. the reason scum would kill him here is he's a peeked townie

as far as i remember, no one has copped to sending the "beware of lurker and xelnya" note, and fmpov it could very well be xel himself. his n0 dream shows conviction to confuse/test roundbox which means he's thinking about peeks. there's one post i can't find now but i remember him emphasizing that what he sent was a fake peek and so no one else should be red reading him but that's counteracted by godfathering himself (or having lurker do it), which is totally in range given the rest of the dream

the case on roundbox is weaker and i just figure he's the least clean of the three remaining town that aren't me

[storn42]

Alright, so here's the problem with xel being a nightmare: If you actually truly sent me a seer of xel, then xel is either a dreamer or dreamed to seer a dreamer. we already know that lurker used his n0 for PPAP and xel sent round a "fake" seer on him. That's 3 actions with our lynch two dreams. While it's plausible that xel is a nightmare I find it highly unlikely.

[storn42]

Honestly I feel like this most likely is round or InD as the last nightmare.

[inDheart]

well we do know that multi pronged dreams are a thing

[storn42]

Originally Posted by inDheart

well we do know that multi pronged dreams are a thing

Yea, but I still find it unlikely. Especially since they are two separate things and not two things connected in some way.

[inDheart]

all right then i'll tell you the rest of what i did because there's a good chance i'm tunneled

i roleblocked xel and that's why his dream did nothing

[storn42]

Honestly it's probably roundbox. First off, remember his item usage eod #1 he used it claiming that he was on mobile but didn't have a wagon on him. Afterwards he managed to hoplay on the arnt wagon right after lurker (a proven wolf) did. and they were close together too.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by storn42

Honestly it's probably roundbox. First off, remember his item usage eod #1 he used it claiming that he was on mobile but didn't have a wagon on him. Afterwards he managed to hoplay on the arnt wagon right after lurker (a proven wolf) did. and they were close together too.

and the reason he votes lurker yesterday is?

like his hand would have been forced to get at lurker today most likely if we flipped you yesterday, but he'd be at more of a numbers advantage and still have the towncred

[inDheart]

his arnt vote could also be self pres

[storn42]

Originally Posted by inDheart

and the reason he votes lurker yesterday is?

like his hand would have been forced to get at lurker today most likely if we flipped you yesterday, but he'd be at more of a numbers advantage and still have the towncred

Obvious bus. At that point lurker was the only one going down and it makes a lot of sense to bus at that point.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by inDheart

his arnt vote could also be self pres

Ithat's could be but he literally had like no pressure on him and I do think think even a single vote.

[inDheart]

you know, if this is a world where xel is not scum, then scum have let a peeked townie into a 4 town/1 wolf scenario

not exactly optimal

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by storn42

Ithat's could be but he literally had like no pressure on him and I do think think even a single vote.

he didn't have the votes but he had the push

i took my vote off him with 20 min to go, xel at least declared intent to vote him but ended up on no lynch, then you voted him

he wasn't going to vote xel because he was townreading xel so arnt's the obvious vote there fmpov

if i read it correctly arnt also only had a single vote before box voted so he broke a 3 way kitb

[MixMasterLar]

Haven't sat down yet to play because I was up til 8 AM watching Wayne's World and listening to people bitch about Village Inn after wanting to go to village in like a hack

But will respond to some stuff

Originally Posted by XelNya

I mean, MML are you really silly enough to risk killing me?

I already told you that lynching me means someone else dies

and I can't say we exactly have room to fuck around as town here dude

If you're the last wolf then you die and we win before another death goes off.

Granted that doesn't matter if you're town but the idea that I need to tiptoe around you because you're holding people hostage like a fucktwad is absurd.

Originally Posted by XelNya

And I don't make promises. Ever.

Not that you'd know that.

I guess I don't

Originally Posted by storn42

So what you're saying is that me claiming to have given a nightmare hated and a letter, followed by someone claiming to have a letter and then getting insta-ed at L-1 and flipping nightmare makes it likely that I'm the last nightmare.

You're d0 factors into my feeling about you buuuuuuuuuuuuuut

You have a point. Even if you're about that you wouldn't do it to your partner

Originally Posted by inDheart

one thing i wanna figure out is did /anybody/ have /anything/ unusual at all happen to them

when i made that post last night i seriously mean nothing happened to me that i can tell, i have no PMs about today

I just made myself bulletproof again. I thought about checking but honestly messages where getting fucked left and right so I figured it was a worthless dream

I got no PMS regarding it

Originally Posted by storn42

no im not. you're misunderstanding me.

i commuted, therefore nobody can target me, therefore nothing happened to me. i received no PM

You received no PM therefore nothing happened to you.

Damn I actually should have done that. Much better then bulletproof lol

Originally Posted by storn42

Honestly I feel like this most likely is round or InD as the last nightmare.

I don't know InD has been putting in some effort from my point of view. I don't recall his wolf game though

But man, I seriously doubt it's InD from a gut feeling-standpoint

Originally Posted by storn42

Yea, but I still find it unlikely. Especially since they are two separate things and not two things connected in some way.

Agree

Originally Posted by storn42

Ithat's could be but he literally had like no pressure on him and I do think think even a single vote.

This is, admittedly, true. But I'm not sold it's a good indication of his alignment on it's own

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by inDheart

you know, if this is a world where xel is not scum, then scum have let a peeked townie into a 4 town/1 wolf scenario

not exactly optimal

Not at all, but with people openly trying to redirect/go defensive dreaming about killing in the night would be worthless.

We've already seen two traps and I bet all the attempts are along those lines.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Not at all, but with people openly trying to redirect/go defensive dreaming about killing in the night would be worthless.

We've already seen two traps and I bet all the attempts are along those lines.

well, recall that i roleblocked him and he's claimed to have nothing happen/gotten no results so that checks out

you and storn have both claimed defensive actions

if xel is supposed to be the kill then it would have just gone through. i effectively removed his defenses unless he did something earlier in action resolution and the only thing that comes to mind for that is commuting or bus driving yourself