Songs of the Week (May 11, 2013)

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by 0

let's remove every piano file because there's only one instrument playing

+1 LMAO

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by 0

let's remove every piano file because there's only one instrument playing

missing the point lol

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

missing the point lol

We're gonna remove the legacy charts for being poor audio quality too right? It'd only be fair?

Oh and Shanghai Girl of Meiji 17 right?

Point is even ripping on Jake for the quality of his song, especially being a first try, isn't really something we can really do, especially since the above listed charts still exist in game. Unless you make music yourself, you probably wouldn't even notice the "production of quality" or w/e. I myself didn't even think about it, it sounds fine to the average person like myself. That's like denying a song for song choice alone in a sense.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

DMB is mainly bad because it sounds he had the chart laid out before he even made the song, then just threw in sounds to match the steps he wanted.

Also, there is nothing wrong with this being his first attempt at a song, but this is something better kept to yourself or passed around privately to others to improve upon. You dont need to be able to make music to know this is a poorly structured song.

[reuben_tate]

I quoted people but I don't want to seem like I'm bashing on anyone so I'll just make my points.

First of all, so what if the song is one instrument? There's lots of piano pieces on ffr and those seem quite fine. I'm sorry if it's not your style, but I think some songs which are purely instrument solo's or duets/trio's involving the same instrument are good to listen to (I personally enjoy clarinet duets, trios, quartets, etc).

Also, I'm sure Jake isn't too familiar with music production. He was just trying his hand out at musical composition (i.e. choosing the lengths/pitches of the notes, etc). It's like the difference between creating sheet music and creating the music itself. It probably would have sounded better if he had gotten some orchestra to actually play it and to have it professionally recorded. But he doesn't have access to an orchestra. I'm just going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he made a good attempt at making something that might be nice on sheet music but not necessarily good at actually making the music (a different skill in itself). On the bright side, he at least knows the difference now and to have his musical compositions "mastered" and made more dynamical before starting to step it.

Also, there's lot of things that just sound just bad on FFR imho. And I'm sorry, but there is no objective measure of how good something is when it comes to art-esque things. People splatter paint on a canvas and call it abstract art. I went to an abstract music concert once, that shit was fucked up beyond all belief (the solo where the guy just seemed to randomly pluck the strings in the piano was lulz). But you know what, I put my judgement aside and tried to give it some credit. I'd say it was very creative in that is gave me certain feelings that no music has ever done before. Sure it wasn't production quality, no one would want to hear that on the radio but does it discredit it as music? No. Heck, a lot of things on FFR a lot of average people wouldn't even consider music, they would just consider it noise. Should we discredit that as music? No.

Also, from all the stickies, submission rules, etc I've read, I don't remember anything saying that judges can dock off points for song choice. If you think the song sucks, then sure say the song sucks. But unless there's something that says that judges can dock off points purely for song choice, then don't be asking why a chart got in the game because of the song itself. (If they actually can, please correct me, I might have missed something).

Also, last but not least, $5 says that if Jake didn't claim that he produced the music, then this wouldn't even be an argument in the first place.

tl;dr You have the right to your opinion but that doesn't mean you should be as inconsiderate as possible with it.

[JohnRedWolf87]

I actually enjoyed DMB. I was surprised at how happy the song sounded, given the name. I expected the song to turn dark any minute. :P

[04im]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Also, last but not least, $5 says that if Jake didn't claim that he produced the music, then this wouldn't even be an argument in the first place.

$500 says that if somebody else not in team blaze & your group of friends made and stepped devil's music box, then people like midnight would be shitting all over it after eating 50 mcchickens and you wouldn't even care

good going guys

now i'm not saying the song should be removed or anything, jake ferguson should take note of this and well, step something by more talented musicians next time instead of going 'wow im done with this pce'

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

tl;dr You have the right to your opinion but that doesn't mean you should be as inconsiderate as possible with it.

jake ferguson getting a taste of his own medicine a la file bash

[Charu]

Well we do gotta support each other! Team spirit and all that whatevs.

In all honesty, my stance would be no different if someone else made the song and file. I would have still found it cute, happy, and fun to hit to. Though there's no proof of what I just stated unless time travel was possible and I decided to not join the team, but meh.

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by 04im

$500 says that if somebody else not in team blaze & your group of friends made and stepped devil's music box, then people like midnight would be shitting all over it after eating 50 mcchickens and you wouldn't even care

good going guys

now i'm not saying the song should be removed or anything, jake ferguson should take note of this and well, step something by more talented musicians next time instead of going 'wow im done with this pce'



jake ferguson getting a taste of his own medicine a la file bash

Helping out a friend is nothing new but to be honest I'd go out of my way to express my opinions for any person in this situation. What midnight does...well hash on him for his actions not me. I don't represent him and he doesn't represent me. And I'm not simply defending him, I critiqued him myself. I'll flat out say the song lacks dynamics and is quite dull and that is could be greatly improved. But I'm not the type that listens to music for the intent of trying to find fault in it. It was a nice little tune, not even close to anything I'd call "good", but it certainly wasn't "awful" for my ears.

But I whole-heartedly agree with you. Next time Jake should either take the time to make his music more dynamic and pleasing to the ear or he should just step something else that's not of his own work that already sounds good.

(I hate writing qualifying essays (when you have a choice between defend/qualify/refute). I take this position so often knowing I'll get based from both sides; perhaps I'm a masochist.)

[Razor]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Also, from all the stickies, submission rules, etc I've read, I don't remember anything saying that judges can dock off points for song choice.

news flash: we can

[reuben_tate]

I stand corrected. Stickies should be updated then.

[ilikexd]

I didn't like Devil's Music Box.

[iironiic]

Lmfao, I personally think DMB is a fine addition to FFR. Music doesn't always have to be complex with added beats and noises. Music that is simply composed (one with some structure and content (this is actually subjective in music)) is something we don't get quite often and it is a nice change of things.

Music is always up for interpretation and I think many of you are failing to realize this. Some believe that some music have so much content and meaning behind the music while others think differently and think that it is "just an unprofessional attempt to earn a title on FFR." Rap music can have deep meaning to some, but others think that there is a reason why rap is one letter off of crap. Etc.

Regardless of your opinions, don't convince others that your musical tastes is more suitable for FFR. Just believe what you believe and move on. FFR is open to a variety of music (at least we would hope lol), so appreciate what you get from others. If you can't, then don't play the file at all and stop complaining. Simple.

@Jake: Good file for a first attempt. However, I am not fond of the some of the patterns and generally the file, since the difficulty doesn't reflect the simplicity of the music. Just my thoughts for you (:

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by iironiic

...I personally think DMB is a fine addition to FFR.
...
I am not fond of the some of the patterns and generally the file, since the difficulty doesn't reflect the simplicity of the music.

For those reasons and the fact that the second half is so repetitive, I don't like the file.

Actually, the main reason I dislike the file is that I feel it was music made to steps, not steps placed to music.

[04im]

it's midnight blowing things out of hand if you read back

we all agree that people have different music tastes (big fukin surprise wow)

just like how plan_b & midnight are not fond of my song choice and bzztbzzt files in general, some people aren't fond of an uneventful xylophone song - and they voiced their opinion

then of course midnight gets super defensive about jake ferguson's file and song choice stating absurd things like "if u have no musical talent u have no right to say anything about jake ferguson's attempt at a file"

no midnight, we aren't out to kill your friend here, we're just here to say well, some people didn't particularly enjoy devil's music box

but you of course, have no idea what you're talking about and obviously are a hypocrite so idk man, learn to be more ch~ill pls (obv u dunno what chill is besides watching anime)

[reuben_tate]

@Jake: You got some good (although somewhat harsh) critique of your song. You also got some good suggestions on how to make your future music better. It's ok that you accept that your music wasn't of good quality, we all start off somewhere. I expect much better from you next time if there is a next time, I don't want to get myself in this mess a second time :P

04im: I'm mostly agreeing with a lot/most of your points, aside from the ad hominems. I'll admit, I tend to be a ****** and make my critiques overly gentle. Sorry 'bout my posting style (I get sick of my own 5 paragraph posts), I hope we're cool. As for middie, the ad hom's are a bit harsh but that's just my opinion. What's going on between you and middie is something you two need to resolve yourselves, I don't want to be a part of it. Please, the individual actions of our individual members are not representative of myself and my actions.

@charu: muffins.

cuz popcorn gets stale too fast

[bmah]

Time to break away from these arguments. It is entirely understandable why Devil's Music Box is highly polarizing amongst many users here, but let's not take that stance too far with tit for tat. Don't continue this stale debate please.

Also, yes technically judges can take away up to one point for bad music choice, but that has been used with a great degree of caution. As you can probably tell, balancing subjectivity and fairness is not an easy thing to do. In the end, Devil's Music Box was accepted, and you'll just have to take it as that. It's by no means any sort of norm, but it's quite possible for a song like this to end up in the game. However, I do recommend any future steppers to be wary of the music they step. Expect all sorts of feedback and a range of criticisms and opinions. And of course, be civil about the way you express those opinions.

I suggest giving some feedback on the other songs now. I'm sure the other stepartists would appreciate it.

[awein999]

After not playing for a half a year really and coming back to a bunch of new songs almost all of them have been really enjoyable. The quality of step files here has gone up so much that I'm legit excited to see what's coming every week now.

[Wayward Vagabond]

I hate all of you

[retching oesophagus]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

I hate all of you

I hate you more

accepter and producer of low quality simfiles