It's May 22nd

[who_cares973]

guy two:no my grass is greener

[who_cares973]

guy one:how you tell that your grass is greener when there is a wall that you cant see past

[who_cares973]

guy two:i could ask you the same question

[who_cares973]

guy one:yeah well w/e my grass is greener

[who_cares973]

guy two:you're an idiot who doesnt know any better. my grass is greener

[who_cares973]

guy one:look at this guy calling me an idiot when he cant prove that his grass is greener than my grass LOL

[Sephiroth28]

^ This is right on the money.

[sakura080789]

epic WC

[DotKritic]

nice WC.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

Just because there is a lack of evidence regarding a certain religion doesn't necessarily mean it is false, but that the evidence just hasn't been discovered yet.

You can think that all you want, but it holds no weight in an intellectual argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...urden_of_proof

When you make claims, you are burdened with having to be able to back them up. The other party does not need to debunk your claim, it's not their burden because they're not the ones making a claim. If this was not the case, I could simply claim any nonsense I want without ever having to support it, instead telling you to go disprove it.

Can you provide evidence that atheism is accurate and correct.

Atheism in and of itself isn't really a claim, so it doesn't need to be proven. Rather, it's a rejection of a claim (the religious claim), which must be subjected to the burden of proof by any serious intellectual.

The foundation of (a)-(theism) is essentially that (theism) does not pass the burden of proof, thus rejecting the existence of theistic deities until proven otherwise by theistic parties.

Now if you're talking about stuff like making claims about how life on earth started or how the universe started, you would need to provide evidence, but that isn't atheism.



With respect to the current topic;

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[-zeroSKILL-]

I lol'd hard at

Originally Posted by ChesterDalton

Can you provide evidence that atheism is accurate and correct.

The rest of the thread kinda went to shit after that post... but still, that was funny.

Asking someone to prove that atheism is "accurate and correct" is like asking someone to prove that my opinion that chocolate tastes good is "accurate and correct". Atheism is an opinion, religion is a belief.

Opinions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Religion:
Everything else that can't be proven.

[Andrew Mitchell]

no proof as proof

[Patricoo]

Originally Posted by Reach

Atheism in and of itself isn't really a claim, so it doesn't need to be proven. Rather, it's a rejection of a claim (the religious claim)

If you really wanna nit-pick and argue semantics it can be a claim. Religion is not a singular thing. We have words for people exploring the middle ground. Religion is actually this broad, wide-scoping subject that involves so many possibilities and to say all beliefs that have been and will be thought of are wrong in a ballsy claim.

But since we're just working with broad, offensive generalities why I don't take some shots at atheists as well?

Most of you kids aren't really atheists. You're just lazy people with a poor understanding of general Protestant ideas forming straw arguments in order to make yourselves feel intelligent. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, start off with Buddhism and Atheism. Go ahead. Look into it. I don't give a damn what you decide on, but hopefully the two of you who google it will come away realizing that all religion isn't some guy on the radio convincing ninety stupid people some stupid thing.

Anyways, I'm being mean on purpose. I don't give a damn as I've accepted Jesus as my true lord and savvv...pphhhffttthahahaha.

[kommisar]

don't argue with reach man....

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Patricoo

If you really wanna nit-pick and argue semantics it can be a claim. Religion is not a singular thing. We have words for people exploring the middle ground. Religion is actually this broad, wide-scoping subject that involves so many possibilities and to say all beliefs that have been and will be thought of are wrong in a ballsy claim.

I'm not nit-picking; Christianity has several key components to it that are undeniably claims, as do all other religions. If this wasn't the case, they ...wouldn't be religions.

You haven't addressed my argument at all, so there's really nothing else to say. (A)-theism is simply the rejection of theistic claims on the basis of lacking evidence. That is, an atheistic stance is that there is no evidence that deities actually exist (This applies generally to every deity, since many people presumably reject every deity other than one).

But since we're just working with broad, offensive generalities why I don't take some shots at atheists as well?

I don't know what I would have said to offend someone. I purposely structured my post such that it is fact-driven with as little opinion in it as possible. If you are offended by fact, well, that isn't exactly my problem.



With respect to doomsday; it doesn't surprise me that this guy supposedly changed the date. It's pretty funny, to be honest, but I could really care less about people this moronic.

[OneHandNow]

The problem is not people preaching the values - it's the morons who are willing to follow them.

[Patricoo]

I wrote to the first part with a reply, but it was essentially the same thing. Lemme summarize. Simply put, it isn't "simply."

Originally Posted by Reach

I don't know what I would have said to offend someone. I purposely structured my post such that it is fact-driven with as little opinion in it as possible. If you are offended by fact, well, that isn't exactly my problem.

The offending part wasn't directed towards you. To that I apologize if you thought I was. I was intentionally being a smug jackass to the general populace for being smug jackasses.

[Treia]

I don't think religion is real more than I think it's a belief. My family isn't religious, so I explored various religions, seeking to find some sort of spirituality in my life. Meaning, I wanted something metaphysical, to gain an experience larger than myself. I practiced Buddhism, Catholicism, and Judaism, to name a few. I even read a lot into them these days, and put effort in finding some metaphysical/spiritual experience with them, because I think religion is very interesting. The closest I get is an immense and overwhelming feeling is when I'm together with a lot of people - it's truly divine. Those instances I remember more than the actually principles, scriptures, and holiness hoo-haa.

But rarely do I find rewarding singular moments with religion (besides Buddhism).

I talked to God once. I cried. I don't share this moment with a lot of people because I think it was a moment of vulnerability. A lot of people are far too critical and idiotic these days.

In that place and time of my life, everyone I knew was leaving (college, military, etc), and I was very isolated from people and opportunities. He said to me, "You're not alone, my son". And I smile, with a tear in my eye, and I tell him, "Yes, we're not alone. I might not have my friends anymore, but I have you. You might not have believers, but you have me.", and he looked at me with a questioning expression.

"I believe in you, because I like to think there is someone out there who believe in me."

So yeah, say what you want and think what you will. I don't think God is real-real, and people read too much into the Bible. To stray away from religion, I think God, or whatever you want to call it, is there for us to project our hopes that we're not so small and singular in the cosmos. We will always have doubts if we really exist. God, or whoever in religions, are made to look like leaders or creators, but that's because they're fictional people who need something to them that allows us to look up to them, and their stories. People can't be attracted to find spirituality in something hollow.

In my case, I don't need "religion" to talk to "God". It wouldn't of happened without it though. At the end of the day, religion is just stories and faith.

Other than that, gods don't exist in the physical sense (at least to my knowledge. I can't say it wouldn't be neat if they were). I don't subscribe to a religion, nor do I sell religion onto people. But that's not to say religions are "fake". It's a shame that we have so much conflict over them in real life, but hey, that's the only thing I'm certain about in life - A constant cycle of harmony and discord

[OneHandNow]

That's not religion, and that's not a belief either - that's a form of self defense on your behalf to everyone near you leaving.. That's relying on your internal beliefs (the belief that there is something bigger out there than the world can imagine) to sooth yourself, and to give yourself relief. Yes - you believe in it, and that's what gives you strength! It's good if you keep that self-enlightening experience to yourself and not preach bullshit about it - which is precisely what many do!

The sad thing about 'religion' is not the beliefs themselves, but the people who do various acts in the name of so called 'religions' - Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, whatever.

[Dorby]

Originally Posted by Patricoo

Most of you kids aren't really atheists. You're just lazy people with a poor understanding of general Protestant ideas forming straw arguments in order to make yourselves feel intelligent.

How could you spew such a moronic statement? I don't know anyone who claims to be atheist just to use that as a badge of intellect. It's almost not worth debating with you when your opinions aren't very well grounded and extremely dramatic.